See also: IRC log
agenda additions at https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Sep/0019.html and https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Sep/0020.html
http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
close action-81
<trackbot> Closed action-81.
addison: will be on holiday next
week
... richard to host
... leandro to scribe
richard: mongolian is really
hard
... I have a mongolian character picker that doesn't work
terribly well
... FF doesn't support vertical LR text
... and chrome supports it, but not in textarea or in tables and such
... and mongolian characters with ZWJ produces different results on different browsers
... need to write more writing-mode and other tests
xiaoqian: does counter styles support mongolian and tibetan?
<r12a> http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/WD-predefined-counter-styles-20130725/
richard: yes
xiaoqian: browser vendors interested in minority scripts, want more examples
<r12a> http://rishida.net/blog/
richard: a few notes in my
blog
... scroll down
... justificaiton, line breaking rules
... and working on a new entry which calls out features of
typography currently being worked on in CSS
... and asks people to consider whether they have problems with those features
... points to the spec, to tests and to jlreq/ilreq etc
https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Sep/0018.html
Option B "What we've been doing, sort of": 1500 UTC
midnight tokyo
koji: works for me
<scribe> ACTION: addison: send email to the group seeking objections from non-attendees [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/09/25-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-346 - Send email to the group seeking objections from non-attendees [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-10-02].
https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Chinese_font_families
richard: publishers in
China
... serif, sans, fantasy, monospaced, etc.
... they have more font families than that (and different)
... also can't easily solve problem using downloading
... because the fonts are very large
... wrote wiki page to summarize
... probably affects JP and KO users also
... might need more categories?
... other scripts and publishing traditions need other
styles
... what can we do about this?
... start discussion on CSS + CJK list
xiaoqian: described problem clearly
koji: interesting
... in japan most systems don't have many fonts
... can I confirm who the "customer" is? browser vendor? web
authors?
xiaoqian: digital publishers
koji: different from epub and
web
... only four or five font families
... epub different: kindle or kobo have different fonts
<r12a> http://rishida.net/scripts/fontlist/#chinese-t
<r12a> http://rishida.net/scripts/fontlist/#chinese-s
<r12a> http://rishida.net/scripts/fontlist/#japanese
<scribe> ACTION: xiaoqian: ask for more input on the problem of font family names [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/09/25-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-347 - Ask for more input on the problem of font family names [on Xiaoqian Wu - due 2014-10-02].
xiaoqian: how will webfonts work for east asian languages?
koji: font subsetting makes them
smaller, so not really 10 mb
... but data plans can be an issue
leandro: link to css spec is to wrong place
richard: will add some questions to the page as well
richard: watch for activity
<Leandro> Folks, I have to run to another meeting. Talk to you next week.