IRC log of i18n on 2014-09-25
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/09/25-i18n-irc
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- 13:56:55 [aphillip]
- trackbot, prepare teleconference
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- RRSAgent, make logs world
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- Zakim, this will be 4186
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- ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
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- Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 25 September 2014
- 13:57:27 [aphillip]
- Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Sep/0017.html
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- Chair: Addison Phillips
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- Scribe: Addison Phillips
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- ScribeNick: aphillip
- 13:57:57 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/25-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
- 13:59:12 [aphillip]
- agenda additions at https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Sep/0019.html and https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Sep/0020.html
- 13:59:23 [aphillip]
- zakim, who is here?
- 13:59:23 [Zakim]
- I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has not yet started, aphillip
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- On IRC I see RRSAgent, aphillip, r12a, fantasai, xiaoqian, trackbot
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- Regrets: David
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- I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has now started
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- +aphillip
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- agenda+ RADAR
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- agenda+ What Time is This Meeting At?
- 14:01:21 [r12a]
- zakim, dial richard please
- 14:01:21 [Zakim]
- ok, r12a; the call is being made
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- +Richard
- 14:01:36 [aphillip]
- agenda+ Chinese generic font family names in CSS
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- agenda+ Plans for Chinese Layout task force
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- agenda+ Charmod
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- agenda?
- 14:02:31 [xiaoqian]
- zakim, call xiaoqian-mobile
- 14:02:31 [Zakim]
- ok, xiaoqian; the call is being made
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- +Xiaoqian
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- + +1.408.536.aaaa
- 14:05:37 [aphillip]
- zakim, +1.408.536.aaaa is Leandro
- 14:05:37 [Zakim]
- +Leandro; got it
- 14:06:01 [aphillip]
- Topic: Agenda
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- agenda?
- 14:06:24 [aphillip]
- Topic: Action Items
- 14:07:04 [aphillip]
- http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
- 14:07:33 [aphillip]
- close action-81
- 14:07:34 [trackbot]
- Closed action-81.
- 14:09:05 [koji]
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- Topic: Info Share
- 14:09:38 [aphillip]
- addison: will be on holiday next week
- 14:09:48 [aphillip]
- ... richard to host
- 14:09:57 [aphillip]
- ... leandro to scribe
- 14:10:25 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/25-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
- 14:10:37 [aphillip]
- richard: mongolian is really hard
- 14:11:07 [aphillip]
- ... I have a mongolian character picker that doesn't work terribly well
- 14:11:18 [Zakim]
- +koji
- 14:11:19 [aphillip]
- ... FF doesn't support vertical LR text
- 14:11:38 [aphillip]
- ... and chrome not so much in tables and such
- 14:11:45 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/25-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
- 14:12:11 [aphillip]
- richard: and challenges for mongolian characters with ZWJ
- 14:12:23 [aphillip]
- ... need to write more writing-mode tests
- 14:12:54 [xiaoqian]
- q+
- 14:14:44 [aphillip]
- ack xiaoqian
- 14:15:07 [aphillip]
- xiaoqian: does counter styles support mongolian and tibetan?
- 14:15:12 [r12a]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/WD-predefined-counter-styles-20130725/
- 14:15:13 [aphillip]
- richard: yes
- 14:15:28 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/25-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
- 14:15:55 [aphillip]
- xiaoqian: browser vendors interested in minority scripts, want more examples
- 14:16:19 [r12a]
- http://rishida.net/blog/
- 14:16:20 [aphillip]
- richard: a few notes in my blog
- 14:16:39 [aphillip]
- ... scroll down
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- ... justificaiton, line breaking rules
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- ... and working on a new entry which calls out features of typography
- 14:17:26 [aphillip]
- ... and asks if people have problems with features
- 14:18:09 [aphillip]
- zakim, take up agendum 1
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- agendum 1. "RADAR" taken up [from aphillip]
- 14:18:15 [aphillip]
- https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
- 14:18:15 [r12a]
- and points to the current spec locations and tests
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- agenda?
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- zakim, take up agendum 2
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- agendum 2. "What Time is This Meeting At?" taken up [from aphillip]
- 14:19:38 [aphillip]
- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Sep/0018.html
- 14:23:02 [aphillip]
- Option B "What we've been doing, sort of": 1500 UTC
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- midnight tokyo
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- koji: works for me
- 14:24:53 [aphillip]
- action: addison: send email to the group seeking objections from non-attendees
- 14:24:54 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-346 - Send email to the group seeking objections from non-attendees [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-10-02].
- 14:25:09 [aphillip]
- agenda?
- 14:25:18 [aphillip]
- zakim, take up agendum 3
- 14:25:18 [Zakim]
- agendum 3. "Chinese generic font family names in CSS" taken up [from aphillip]
- 14:25:32 [aphillip]
- https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Chinese_font_families
- 14:26:21 [aphillip]
- richard: publishers in China
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- ... serif, sans, fantasy, monospaced, etc.
- 14:26:47 [aphillip]
- ... we have more than that (and different)
- 14:27:06 [aphillip]
- ... also can't easily solve problem using downloading
- 14:27:27 [aphillip]
- ... because the fonts are very large
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- ... wrote wiki page to summarize
- 14:27:43 [aphillip]
- ... probably affects JP and KO users also
- 14:27:53 [aphillip]
- ... might need more categories?
- 14:28:06 [aphillip]
- richard: other scripts and publishing traditions need other styles
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- ... what can we do about this?
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- ... start discussion on CSS + CJK list
- 14:29:06 [aphillip]
- xiaoqian: describe problem clearly
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- s/describe/described/
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- koji: interesting
- 14:29:47 [aphillip]
- ... in japan most systems don't have many fonts
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- ... can I confirm who the "customer" is? browser vendor? web authors?
- 14:30:31 [aphillip]
- xiaoqian: digital publishers
- 14:30:38 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/25-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- koji: different from epub and web
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- ... only four or five font families
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- ... epub different: kindle or kobo have different fonts
- 14:36:28 [r12a]
- http://rishida.net/scripts/fontlist/#chinese-t
- 14:36:39 [r12a]
- http://rishida.net/scripts/fontlist/#chinese-s
- 14:36:53 [r12a]
- http://rishida.net/scripts/fontlist/#japanese
- 14:47:35 [aphillip]
- action: xiaoqian: ask for more input on the problem of font family names
- 14:47:35 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-347 - Ask for more input on the problem of font family names [on Xiaoqian Wu - due 2014-10-02].
- 14:48:14 [aphillip]
- xiaoqian: how will webfonts work for east asian languages?
- 14:49:04 [aphillip]
- koji: font subsetting makes them smaller, so not really 10 mb
- 14:49:16 [aphillip]
- ... but data plans can be an issue
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- agenda?
- 14:54:23 [aphillip]
- leandro: link to css spec is to wrong place
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- richard: will add some questions to the page as well
- 14:54:46 [aphillip]
- zakim, take up agendum 4
- 14:54:46 [Zakim]
- agendum 4. "Plans for Chinese Layout task force" taken up [from aphillip]
- 14:55:37 [aphillip]
- richard: watch for activity
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- -Leandro
- 15:01:54 [Leandro]
- Folks, I have to run to another meeting. Talk to you next week.
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- -aphillip
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- -koji
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- -Xiaoqian
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- Topic: AOB?
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/25-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
- 15:23:18 [r12a]
- zakim, drop richard please
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- Richard is being disconnected
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- I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were aphillip, Richard, Xiaoqian, Leandro, koji
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- Present: Addison, Richard, Xiaoqian, Koji, Leandro
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/25-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
- 15:24:11 [aphillip]
- zakim, bye
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/25-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
- 15:24:21 [aphillip]
- rrsagent, bye
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- I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/09/25-i18n-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: addison: send email to the group seeking objections from non-attendees [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/09/25-i18n-irc#T14-24-53
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- ACTION: xiaoqian: ask for more input on the problem of font family names [2]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/09/25-i18n-irc#T14-47-35