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Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 21 November 2013

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Bernadette Hyland, Biplav Srivastava, Dave Reynolds, Deirdre Lee, Fadi Maali, Ghislain Atemezing, Hadley Beeman, James McKinney, Joao Almeida, John Erickson, Makx Dekkers, Phil Archer, Richard Cyganiak, Sandro Hawke, Tina Gheen
Chair
Hadley Beeman
Scribe
Ghislain Atemezing
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. accept minutes of last weeks meeting link
  2. meeting accepted of last week link
Topics
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14:52:30 <trackbot> Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference
14:52:30 <trackbot> Date: 21 November 2013
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15:02:50 <PhilA> zakim, ipcaller is me

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15:03:07 <olyerickson> zakim, [ipcaller] is me.

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15:03:09 <fadmaa> Zakim, +3539149 is me

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15:03:54 <Zakim> + +33.4.93.00.aabb

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15:04:26 <Makx> no voice for me today

Makx Dekkers: no voice for me today

15:04:36 <PhilA> zakim, aabb is gatemezi

Phil Archer: zakim, aabb is gatemezi

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15:04:42 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> ??P26 is me

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15:04:48 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, ??P26 is me

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15:04:51 <fadmaa> Zakim, mute me

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15:05:00 <gatemezi> scribe:gatemezi

(Scribe set to Ghislain Atemezing)

15:05:06 <HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-11-14

Hadley Beeman: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-11-14

15:05:13 <gatemezi> chair:HadleyBeeman
15:05:17 <HadleyBeeman> proposed:  accept minutes of last weeks meeting?

PROPOSED: accept minutes of last week's meeting?

15:05:24 <HadleyBeeman> s/weeks/week's
15:05:26 <DaveReynolds> +1

Dave Reynolds: +1

15:05:31 <olyerickson> +1

John Erickson: +1

15:05:42 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> wasn't there either

Joao Almeida: wasn't there either

15:06:10 <HadleyBeeman> +1

Hadley Beeman: +1

15:06:15 <Zakim> +Sandro

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15:06:30 <fadmaa> +1

Fadi Maali: +1

15:06:41 <HadleyBeeman> resolved: accept minutes of last weeks meeting

RESOLVED: accept minutes of last weeks meeting

15:06:51 <gatemezi> Resolved: meeting accepted of last week

RESOLVED: meeting accepted of last week

15:06:55 <Biplav> Biplav - I am on IRC and having trouble connecting over phone. Trying.

Biplav Srivastava: Biplav - I am on IRC and having trouble connecting over phone. Trying.

15:06:58 <DaveReynolds> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Data_Cube_Implementations

Dave Reynolds: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Data_Cube_Implementations

15:06:59 <gatemezi> Topic: Data Cube

1. Data Cube

15:07:34 <gatemezi> DaveReynolds: Haave received new implementations ...

Dave Reynolds: Haave received new implementations ...

15:07:36 <cygri> zakim, code?

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, code?

15:07:37 <Zakim> the conference code is 45394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), cygri

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15:07:54 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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15:07:59 <Zakim> +[LC]

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15:08:02 <gatemezi> ...and provided link on that, some to be published by December

...and provided link on that, some to be published by December

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15:08:07 <tinagheen> Zakim, [LC] is me

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15:08:09 <gatemezi> s/haave/have

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15:08:10 <Zakim> + +91.80.67.84.aacc

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15:08:28 <Biplav> +91.80.67.84.aacc is me (Biplav)

Biplav Srivastava: +91.80.67.84.aacc is me (Biplav)

15:08:31 <PhilA> That's fabulous news - all terms used!

Phil Archer: That's fabulous news - all terms used!

15:08:39 <gatemezi> ...Plan to go ahead for Transition

...Plan to go ahead for Transition

15:08:44 <PhilA> Serious kudos to Dave on that

Phil Archer: Serious kudos to Dave on that

15:09:22 <cygri> zakim, ??P32 is me

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15:09:22 <Zakim> +cygri; got it

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15:09:41 <gatemezi> ..Still have to track the optional terms, without any criteria there.. So fine for that.

..Still have to track the optional terms, without any criteria there.. So fine for that.

15:10:09 <cygri> q+

Richard Cyganiak: q+

15:10:39 <PhilA> zakim, aacc is Biplav

Phil Archer: zakim, aacc is Biplav

15:10:39 <Zakim> sorry, PhilA, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc'

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15:10:57 <PhilA> zakim, ipcaller is DeirdreLee

Phil Archer: zakim, ipcaller is DeirdreLee

15:10:57 <Zakim> +DeirdreLee; got it

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15:10:57 <HadleyBeeman> ack cygri

Hadley Beeman: ack cygri

15:11:41 <gatemezi> cygri asks what is the timeline for documentation report? Have to check all the integrity constraints?

cygri asks what is the timeline for documentation report? Have to check all the integrity constraints?

15:12:20 <gatemezi> Dave: a promise to have implementations by the end of November

Dave Reynolds: a promise to have implementations by the end of November

15:12:38 <gatemezi> Topic: Org

2. Org

15:12:48 <DaveReynolds> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/ORG_Implementations

Dave Reynolds: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/ORG_Implementations

15:13:10 <gatemezi> DaveReynolds: Just one more implementation added since last week

Dave Reynolds: Just one more implementation added since last week

15:14:07 <DaveReynolds> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/ORG_PR_transition

Dave Reynolds: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/ORG_PR_transition

15:14:33 <gatemezi> ..current state is that 5 terms are not really used , and updated with some evidence of usage terms

..current state is that 5 terms are not really used , and updated with some evidence of usage terms

15:15:07 <PhilA> +1 to Sandro

Phil Archer: +1 to Sandro

15:16:08 <gatemezi> Sandro: What could be done for the terms not used ?

Sandro Hawke: What could be done for the terms not used ?

15:16:44 <gatemezi> DaveReynolds: We can still go ahead at the current state.. approved by Sandro

Dave Reynolds: We can still go ahead at the current state.. approved by Sandro

15:18:10 <gatemezi> Phil: Do we have assurance that those terms would be implemented ?

Phil Archer: Do we have assurance that those terms would be implemented ?

15:19:42 <HadleyBeeman> HadleyBeeman: So we've agreed to take this to transition as-is and try to get it through.

Hadley Beeman: So we've agreed to take this to transition as-is and try to get it through. [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ]

15:19:58 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida

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15:20:15 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, ??P26 is me

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15:20:15 <gatemezi> DaveReynolds : use Turtle for the example, so change the section to be non normative, for dependence with the other group

DaveReynolds : use Turtle for the example, so change the section to be non normative, for dependence with the other group

15:21:47 <PhilA> Note on Normative Refs might be relevant http://www.w3.org/2013/09/normative-references

Phil Archer: Note on Normative Refs might be relevant http://www.w3.org/2013/09/normative-references

15:22:09 <HadleyBeeman> from TPAC

Hadley Beeman: from TPAC

15:22:34 <gatemezi> PhilA gives a reference on normative from TPAC, see http://www.w3.org/2013/09/normative-references

PhilA gives a reference on normative from TPAC, see http://www.w3.org/2013/09/normative-references

15:23:01 <Zakim> -cygri

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15:23:16 <gatemezi> Topic: Best Practices

3. Best Practices

15:23:44 <PhilA> Boris sent his regrets earlier

Phil Archer: Boris sent his regrets earlier

15:24:23 <gatemezi> Bhyland: work ongoing on the doc

Bernadette Hyland: work ongoing on the doc

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15:24:37 <cygri> zakim, ??P3 is me

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15:24:47 <PhilA> procurement section removed!

Phil Archer: procurement section removed!

15:24:53 <bhyland> Topic: Procurement in BP

4. Procurement in BP

15:24:55 <gatemezi> current status of the doc here https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/bp/index.html

current status of the doc here https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/bp/index.html

15:24:56 <bhyland> See charter http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/charter

Bernadette Hyland: See charter http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/charter

15:25:04 <PhilA> This is consistent with our resolution at the f2f http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2013-04-11#resolution_2

Phil Archer: This is consistent with our resolution at the f2f http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2013-04-11#resolution_2

15:27:21 <bhyland> Procurement section has been entirely removed per past GLD WG discussion circa April 2013.  Editors have reflected the WG's decision to remove it. 

Bernadette Hyland: Procurement section has been entirely removed per past GLD WG discussion circa April 2013.  Editors have reflected the WG's decision to remove it. 

15:29:40 <gatemezi> bhyland : the work here could be used as input for any other WG to make a more stable document

bhyland : the work here could be used as input for any other WG to make a more stable document

15:30:06 <PhilA> zakim, mute cygri

Phil Archer: zakim, mute cygri

15:30:06 <Zakim> cygri should now be muted

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15:30:12 <gatemezi> zakim, who is speaking?

zakim, who is speaking?

15:30:22 <Zakim> gatemezi, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: bhyland (35%)

Zakim IRC Bot: gatemezi, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: bhyland (35%)

15:31:01 <gatemezi> HadleyBeeman : a new timeline for the document?

HadleyBeeman : a new timeline for the document?

15:31:20 <gatemezi> ...or deadline?

...or deadline?

15:31:21 <HadleyBeeman> 1.  Editors revise and draft until 28 November.2.  One week for working group comments and discussion (until 5 December)**

Hadley Beeman: 1.  Editors revise and draft until 28 November.2.  One week for working group comments and discussion (until 5 December)**

15:31:21 <HadleyBeeman> 3.  One week for the editors to revise the document, respond to feedback, and return new draft to the working group for final review (5-12 December)

Hadley Beeman: 3.  One week for the editors to revise the document, respond to feedback, and return new draft to the working group for final review (5-12 December)

15:31:21 <HadleyBeeman> 4.  The working group resolves to publish: 12 December

Hadley Beeman: 4.  The working group resolves to publish: 12 December

15:31:33 <HadleyBeeman> Does that look right, bhyland?

Hadley Beeman: Does that look right, bhyland?

15:32:09 <bhyland> yes, thanks/

Bernadette Hyland: yes, thanks/

15:32:22 <HadleyBeeman> issue-6?

Hadley Beeman: ISSUE-6?

15:32:22 <trackbot> issue-6 -- How should publishers figure out good URIs for properties with non-literal ranges? -- raised

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-6 -- How should publishers figure out good URIs for properties with non-literal ranges? -- raised

15:32:22 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/6

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/6

15:33:04 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> it looks like it's a very specific issue to be in the same level as the other sections in BP... (1.8 How should publishers figure out good URIs for properties with non-literal ranges?)

Joao Almeida: it looks like it's a very specific issue to be in the same level as the other sections in BP... (1.8 How should publishers figure out good URIs for properties with non-literal ranges?)

15:34:43 <fadmaa> Zakim, unmute me

Fadi Maali: Zakim, unmute me

15:34:43 <Zakim> fadmaa should no longer be muted

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15:34:51 <gatemezi> Topic: DCAT

5. DCAT

15:34:57 <fadmaa> https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/70

Fadi Maali: https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/70

15:35:02 <gatemezi> fadmaa: 2 updates here

Fadi Maali: 2 updates here

15:35:08 <fadmaa> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-comments/2013Nov/0026.html

Fadi Maali: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-comments/2013Nov/0026.html

15:35:26 <fadmaa> """That's right, a downloadURL is a legal accessURL, but we don't want to enforce that as an entailment. Profiles of dcat may, for example, wish to impose a stronger separation where they only use accessURL for non-download locations, and we don't want to preclude such usage. We'll clarify the editorial text.""

Fadi Maali: """That's right, a downloadURL is a legal accessURL, but we don't want to enforce that as an entailment. Profiles of dcat may, for example, wish to impose a stronger separation where they only use accessURL for non-download locations, and we don't want to preclude such usage. We'll clarify the editorial text.""

15:35:30 <gatemezi> ...discussion around issue-70, and see Dave email

...discussion around ISSUE-70, and see DaveReynolds email

15:35:37 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida

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15:35:39 <gatemezi> s/Dave/DaveReynolds
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15:35:57 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, ??P26 is me

Joao Almeida: Zakim, ??P26 is me

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15:36:45 <olyerickson> Dave's second suggestion had the correct balance (we feel)

John Erickson: Dave's second suggestion had the correct balance (we feel)

15:36:46 <DaveReynolds> Fine by me :), feel free to rephase as appropriate, was just informal expression.

Dave Reynolds: Fine by me :), feel free to rephase as appropriate, was just informal expression.

15:36:49 <gatemezi> proposal: use option 2 of DaveReynolds email as official answer on DCAT

PROPOSED: use option 2 of DaveReynolds email as official answer on DCAT

15:37:50 <makx> option 2 +1

Makx Dekkers: option 2 +1

15:39:44 <Zakim> -cygri

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15:40:11 <gatemezi> fadmaa still have to discuss on versioning

fadmaa still have to discuss on versioning

15:40:26 <Zakim> -bhyland

Zakim IRC Bot: -bhyland

15:40:51 <HadleyBeeman> phila: didn't Antoine Issac reply?  I thought he was happy

Phil Archer: didn't Antoine Issac reply? I thought he was happy [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ]

15:41:13 <Zakim> +bhyland

Zakim IRC Bot: +bhyland

15:41:16 <PhilA> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Nov/0002.html Antoine's mail

Phil Archer: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Nov/0002.html Antoine's mail

15:41:46 <olyerickson> He's happy (at least according to that email)

John Erickson: He's happy (at least according to that email)

15:41:51 <PhilA> q+

Phil Archer: q+

15:42:01 <gatemezi> fadmaa will update the page accordingly

fadmaa will update the page in wiki for comments accordingly

15:42:22 <gatemezi> s/page/page in wiki for comments
15:42:29 <Zakim> +??P36

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15:42:36 <cygri> zakim, ??P36 is me

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, ??P36 is me

15:42:36 <Zakim> +cygri; got it

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15:42:37 <PhilA> ack me

Phil Archer: ack me

15:43:13 <gatemezi> PhilA raises the worry of someone asking for putting more domain, range on properties

PhilA raises the worry of someone asking for putting more domain, range on properties

15:43:37 <fadmaa> q+

Fadi Maali: q+

15:43:45 <olyerickson> +1 in support of PhilA's reluctance to specify domains and ranges

John Erickson: +1 in support of PhilA's reluctance to specify domains and ranges

15:43:51 <fadmaa> ack me

Fadi Maali: ack me

15:43:58 <gatemezi> PhilA asks if we should have more specific domain, range

PhilA asks if we should have more specific domain, range

15:44:07 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> although restricting the usage, it facilitates interoperability

Joao Almeida: although restricting the usage, it facilitates interoperability

15:44:30 <gatemezi> +1 to add more domain, range

+1 to add more domain, range

15:44:32 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> but also being too liberal is a problem

Joao Almeida: but also being too liberal is a problem

15:44:36 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> you say nothing

Joao Almeida: you say nothing

15:44:48 <cygri> q+

Richard Cyganiak: q+

15:45:22 <gatemezi> Zakim, who is speaking?

Zakim, who is speaking?

15:45:23 <PhilA> ack cygri

Phil Archer: ack cygri

15:45:23 <HadleyBeeman> ack cygri

Hadley Beeman: ack cygri

15:45:29 <olyerickson> Hard to hear cygri

John Erickson: Hard to hear cygri

15:45:33 <Zakim> gatemezi, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: olyerickson (38%), cygri (37%)

Zakim IRC Bot: gatemezi, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: olyerickson (38%), cygri (37%)

15:45:44 <olyerickson> mute me.

John Erickson: mute me.

15:45:50 <olyerickson> zakim, mute me.

John Erickson: zakim, mute me.

15:45:50 <Zakim> olyerickson should now be muted

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15:45:53 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> This needs to be decided for each property, not in generael

Joao Almeida: This needs to be decided for each property, not in general

15:46:27 <sandro> +1    that's what I meant

Sandro Hawke: +1 that's what I meant

15:46:35 <gatemezi> cygri: there is a couple of properties saying in the text the range, but without explicitly adding in the vocabulary

Richard Cyganiak: there is a couple of properties saying in the text the range, but without explicitly adding in the vocabulary

15:46:35 <PhilA> I have an example - 'keyword' which is defined as 'A keyword or tag describing the dataset.'

Phil Archer: I have an example - 'keyword' which is defined as 'A keyword or tag describing the dataset.'

15:46:57 <DaveReynolds> +1 to cygri, the formal declaration should match the textual definition,

Dave Reynolds: +1 to cygri, the formal declaration should match the textual definition,

15:47:03 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1 to cygri

Joao Almeida: +1 to cygri

15:47:35 <makx> +1

Makx Dekkers: +1

15:47:38 <olyerickson> zakim, unmute me.

John Erickson: zakim, unmute me.

15:47:38 <Zakim> olyerickson should no longer be muted

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15:48:22 <gatemezi> What about the diagram showing the relationships?

What about the diagram showing the relationships?

15:48:27 <olyerickson> q+

John Erickson: q+

15:48:32 <fadmaa> q+

Fadi Maali: q+

15:48:35 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1 to sandro on the comment that quality in ontology is improved by considering the domain and ranges

Joao Almeida: +1 to sandro on the comment that quality in ontology is improved by considering the domain and ranges

15:48:36 <HadleyBeeman> ack oly

Hadley Beeman: ack oly

15:50:10 <gatemezi> olyerickson: we have to help users adopting the vocab

John Erickson: we have to help users adopting the vocab

15:50:14 <fadmaa> ack me

Fadi Maali: ack me

15:50:14 <olyerickson> q-

John Erickson: q-

15:50:41 <gatemezi> s/generael/general
15:51:16 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida

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15:51:24 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> the call drop

Joao Almeida: the call drop

15:51:30 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> sorry about that

Joao Almeida: sorry about that

15:51:35 <gatemezi> fadmaa: I prefer not to restrict things, but can add more specifications

Fadi Maali: I prefer not to restrict things, but can add more specifications

15:51:56 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> I was saying that the question is whether the property is meaningful without a restriction of domain and range

Joao Almeida: I was saying that the question is whether the property is meaningful without a restriction of domain and range

15:52:21 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> say, e.g., dateOfBirth is clearly something that you should restrict to make it meaningul

Joao Almeida: say, e.g., dateOfBirth is clearly something that you should restrict to make it meaningul

15:52:31 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> for some reason I can't get back on the call

Joao Almeida: for some reason I can't get back on the call

15:52:32 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> ...

Joao Almeida: ...

15:52:56 <HadleyBeeman> PhilA:  I'll taken an action to read through the turtle schema and the original comment, and see if there is a domain or range not specifed — that it may be useful to do so.  If so, I'll tell the mailing list.

Phil Archer: I'll taken an action to read through the turtle schema and the original comment, and see if there is a domain or range not specifed — that it may be useful to do so. If so, I'll tell the mailing list. [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ]

15:53:07 <gatemezi> Zakim, who's present?

Zakim, who's present?

15:53:07 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, gatemezi.

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, gatemezi.

15:53:15 <HadleyBeeman> … Adding a domain or range is editorial; removing them may be substantive changes.

Hadley Beeman: … Adding a domain or range is editorial; removing them may be substantive changes.

15:53:34 <PhilA> Thanks JoaoPauloAlmeida - helpful comment

Phil Archer: Thanks JoaoPauloAlmeida - helpful comment

15:53:35 <gatemezi> Zakim, who is present?

Zakim, who is present?

15:53:35 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, gatemezi.

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, gatemezi.

15:53:42 <PhilA> zakm, who is here?

Phil Archer: zakm, who is here?

15:53:48 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?

Phil Archer: zakim, who is here?

15:53:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see james, fadmaa, HadleyBeeman, PhilA, olyerickson, DaveReynolds, gatemezi (muted), Sandro, DeirdreLee, tinagheen, biplav, bhyland, cygri

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see james, fadmaa, HadleyBeeman, PhilA, olyerickson, DaveReynolds, gatemezi (muted), Sandro, DeirdreLee, tinagheen, biplav, bhyland, cygri

15:53:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see makx, Biplav, DeirdreLee, tinagheen, cygri, gatemezi, JoaoPauloAlmeida, olyerickson, DaveReynolds, james, fadmaa, PhilA, RRSAgent, Zakim, HadleyBeeman, bhyland,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see makx, Biplav, DeirdreLee, tinagheen, cygri, gatemezi, JoaoPauloAlmeida, olyerickson, DaveReynolds, james, fadmaa, PhilA, RRSAgent, Zakim, HadleyBeeman, bhyland,

15:53:51 <Zakim> ... TallTed, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: ... TallTed, trackbot, sandro

15:54:10 <gatemezi> zakim, who has sent regrets?

zakim, who has sent regrets?

15:54:10 <Zakim> sorry, gatemezi, I do not recognize a party named 'who'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, gatemezi, I do not recognize a party named 'who'

15:55:05 <HadleyBeeman> Cygri:  Adding a domain type, by definition, is a change.  Stating a domain just tags the use of the domain of being of a particular class.

Richard Cyganiak: Adding a domain type, by definition, is a change. Stating a domain just tags the use of the domain of being of a particular class. [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ]

15:55:20 <HadleyBeeman> PhilA:  Does it help to declare a domain?  What do you gain by doing that?

Phil Archer: Does it help to declare a domain? What do you gain by doing that? [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ]

15:55:21 <gatemezi> s/Cygri/cygri
15:55:43 <HadleyBeeman> Cygri:  Then an inference engine can work with it.

Richard Cyganiak: Then an inference engine can work with it. [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ]

15:56:12 <HadleyBeeman> … We may have to look on a case-by-case basis

Hadley Beeman: … We may have to look on a case-by-case basis

15:56:27 <fadmaa> +1 to looking into them case by case

Fadi Maali: +1 to looking into them case by case

15:56:38 <gatemezi> PhilA: need to go through the schema to see if there is ambiguity to specify domain and range

Phil Archer: need to go through the schema to see if there is ambiguity to specify domain and range

15:57:21 <Biplav> +1 for looking on case by case. domain-range helps but we should not insist at the cost of being overly restrictive.

Biplav Srivastava: +1 for looking on case by case. domain-range helps but we should not insist at the cost of being overly restrictive.

15:57:51 <gatemezi> PhilA takes an action for that

PhilA takes an action for that

15:57:54 <Zakim> -cygri

Zakim IRC Bot: -cygri

15:58:03 <olyerickson> Also implementation report from WHOI

John Erickson: Also implementation report from WHOI

15:58:04 <PhilA> action: PhilA to review domains and ranges as implied/stated by the spec and encoded in the schema

ACTION: PhilA to review domains and ranges as implied/stated by the spec and encoded in the schema

15:58:04 <trackbot> Created ACTION-155 - Review domains and ranges as implied/stated by the spec and encoded in the schema [on Phil Archer - due 2013-11-28].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-155 - Review domains and ranges as implied/stated by the spec and encoded in the schema [on Phil Archer - due 2013-11-28].

15:58:04 <gatemezi> fadmaa is working on 2 implementations of DCAT

fadmaa is working on 2 implementations of DCAT

15:58:37 <Zakim> -DeirdreLee

Zakim IRC Bot: -DeirdreLee

15:58:53 <gatemezi> olyerickson looking for another example

olyerickson looking for another example

15:59:14 <Zakim> -biplav

Zakim IRC Bot: -biplav

15:59:29 <gatemezi> ...and have to state the specific properties used by that given implementation

...and have to state the specific properties used by that given implementation

15:59:51 <gatemezi> zakim, who is here?

zakim, who is here?

15:59:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see james, fadmaa, HadleyBeeman, PhilA, olyerickson, DaveReynolds, gatemezi (muted), Sandro, tinagheen, bhyland

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see james, fadmaa, HadleyBeeman, PhilA, olyerickson, DaveReynolds, gatemezi (muted), Sandro, tinagheen, bhyland

15:59:53 <Zakim> On IRC I see makx, DeirdreLee, tinagheen, cygri, gatemezi, JoaoPauloAlmeida, olyerickson, DaveReynolds, james, fadmaa, PhilA, RRSAgent, Zakim, HadleyBeeman, bhyland, TallTed,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see makx, DeirdreLee, tinagheen, cygri, gatemezi, JoaoPauloAlmeida, olyerickson, DaveReynolds, james, fadmaa, PhilA, RRSAgent, Zakim, HadleyBeeman, bhyland, TallTed,

15:59:53 <Zakim> ... trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: ... trackbot, sandro

16:00:39 <Zakim> +??P36

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P36

16:00:47 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, ??P36 is me

Joao Almeida: Zakim, ??P36 is me

16:00:48 <Zakim> +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it

16:02:12 <gatemezi> HadleyBeeman, do we have enough information for exit criteria for WHOI implementation?

HadleyBeeman, do we have enough information for exit criteria for WHOI implementation?

16:02:22 <HadleyBeeman> Our CR exit criteria for DCAT: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/DCAT_CR_transition#Implementations

Hadley Beeman: Our CR exit criteria for DCAT: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/DCAT_CR_transition#Implementations

16:02:54 <Zakim> -bhyland

Zakim IRC Bot: -bhyland

16:03:23 <Zakim> -tinagheen

Zakim IRC Bot: -tinagheen

16:04:27 <Zakim> -olyerickson

Zakim IRC Bot: -olyerickson

16:04:53 <HadleyBeeman> action: john erickson put a paragraph into the mailing list to explain how the WHOI report helps us meet the CR criteria

ACTION: john erickson put a paragraph into the mailing list to explain how the WHOI report helps us meet the CR criteria

16:04:53 <trackbot> 'john' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., olyerickson, jgoodwin, jsherida).

Trackbot IRC Bot: 'john' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., olyerickson, jgoodwin, jsherida).

16:04:59 <gatemezi> fadmaa feeling good enough to go through DCAT procedure

fadmaa feeling good enough to go through DCAT procedure

16:05:06 <gatemezi> ..on exit criteria

..on exit criteria

16:05:16 <gatemezi> thanks all!

thanks all!

16:05:18 <Zakim> -james

Zakim IRC Bot: -james

16:05:20 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman

Zakim IRC Bot: -HadleyBeeman

16:05:21 <Zakim> -PhilA

Zakim IRC Bot: -PhilA

16:05:21 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

16:05:23 <Zakim> -fadmaa

Zakim IRC Bot: -fadmaa

16:05:23 <Zakim> -DaveReynolds

Zakim IRC Bot: -DaveReynolds

16:05:23 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> bye

Joao Almeida: bye

16:05:25 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida

Zakim IRC Bot: -JoaoPauloAlmeida

16:05:39 <PhilA> trackbot end meeeting

Phil Archer: trackbot end meeeting

16:05:39 <trackbot> Sorry, PhilA, I don't understand 'trackbot end meeeting'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, PhilA, I don't understand 'trackbot end meeeting'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.

16:05:40 <gatemezi> RRSAgent, set logs world-visible

RRSAgent, set logs world-visible

16:05:52 <PhilA> trackbot, end meeeting

Phil Archer: trackbot, end meeeting

16:05:52 <trackbot> Sorry, PhilA, I don't understand 'trackbot, end meeeting'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, PhilA, I don't understand 'trackbot, end meeeting'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.

16:06:08 <gatemezi> RSSAgent, generate minutes

RSSAgent, generate minutes

16:06:26 <PhilA> zakim, bye

Phil Archer: zakim, bye

16:06:26 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were bhyland, james, +3539149aaaa, HadleyBeeman, PhilA, olyerickson, fadmaa, DaveReynolds, +33.4.93.00.aabb, gatemezi, JoaoPauloAlmeida,

Zakim IRC Bot: leaving. As of this point the attendees were bhyland, james, +3539149aaaa, HadleyBeeman, PhilA, olyerickson, fadmaa, DaveReynolds, +33.4.93.00.aabb, gatemezi, JoaoPauloAlmeida,

16:06:29 <Zakim> ... Sandro, tinagheen, +91.80.67.84.aacc, cygri, biplav, DeirdreLee

Zakim IRC Bot: ... Sandro, tinagheen, +91.80.67.84.aacc, cygri, biplav, DeirdreLee

16:09:17 <gatemezi> RRSAgent, set logs world-visible

RRSAgent, set logs world-visible

16:09:27 <gatemezi> RRSAgent, generate minutes

RRSAgent, generate minutes

16:09:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/11/21-gld-minutes.html gatemezi

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/11/21-gld-minutes.html gatemezi

16:12:34 <gatemezi> @Sandro, how to I get the final version of the minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/11/21-gld-minutes.html ?

@Sandro, how to I get the final version of the minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/11/21-gld-minutes.html ?

16:13:01 <gatemezi> ..when looking at http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-11-21, it seems empty.. any help?

..when looking at http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-11-21, it seems empty.. any help?



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