09:58:34 <PhilA2> Hi fadmaa
Phil Archer: Hi fadmaa ←
09:58:43 <fadmaa> hello PhilA2
Fadi Maali: hello PhilA2 ←
09:58:48 <PhilA2> Are you at the EuroGI event in Dublin?
Phil Archer: Are you at the EuroGI event in Dublin? ←
09:59:00 <fadmaa> no... couldn't ake it
Fadi Maali: no... couldn't ake it ←
09:59:06 <fadmaa> are you?
Fadi Maali: are you? ←
09:59:06 <PhilA> I was there yesterday
Phil Archer: I was there yesterday ←
09:59:10 <PhilA> Not today
Phil Archer: Not today ←
09:59:23 <PhilA> I was trying to work out how you could be on this call from there!
Phil Archer: I was trying to work out how you could be on this call from there! ←
09:59:34 <PhilA> I'm about to ask zakim for a number
Phil Archer: I'm about to ask zakim for a number ←
09:59:44 <PhilA> How many people are you expecting?
Phil Archer: How many people are you expecting? ←
09:59:50 <PhilA> (it matters, sorry)
Phil Archer: (it matters, sorry) ←
09:59:53 <fadmaa> 5 I believe
Fadi Maali: 5 I believe ←
09:59:57 <PhilA> OK
Phil Archer: OK ←
10:00:03 <PhilA> zakim, room for 7?
Phil Archer: zakim, room for 7? ←
10:00:04 <Zakim> ok, PhilA; conference Team_(gld)10:00Z scheduled with code 26632 (CONF2) for 60 minutes until 1100Z
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, PhilA; conference Team_(gld)10:00Z scheduled with code 26632 (CONF2) for 60 minutes until 1100Z ←
10:00:30 <PhilA> PhilA has changed the topic to: DCAT call, zakim code is CONF2 26632
Phil Archer: PhilA has changed the topic to: DCAT call, zakim code is CONF2 26632 ←
10:01:21 <Zakim> Team_(gld)10:00Z has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: Team_(gld)10:00Z has now started ←
10:01:28 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
10:01:30 <PhilA> zakim, ipcaller is me
Phil Archer: zakim, ipcaller is me ←
10:01:30 <Zakim> +PhilA; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +PhilA; got it ←
10:01:31 <Zakim> +??P0
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P0 ←
10:01:47 <martin_> zakim, ??p0 is me
Martín Álvarez: zakim, ??p0 is me ←
10:01:47 <Zakim> +martin_; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +martin_; got it ←
10:01:54 <Zakim> + +35386100aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +35386100aaaa ←
10:02:30 <fadmaa> can you hear me?
Fadi Maali: can you hear me? ←
10:02:36 <PhilA> no
Phil Archer: no ←
10:02:43 <fadmaa> I'll call in again
Fadi Maali: I'll call in again ←
10:02:46 <Zakim> - +35386100aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: - +35386100aaaa ←
10:02:58 <PhilA> zakim, code?
Phil Archer: zakim, code? ←
10:02:58 <Zakim> the conference code is 26632 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 26632 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA ←
10:03:32 <Zakim> + +35386100aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +35386100aabb ←
10:03:41 <PhilA> zakim, aabb is fadmaa
Phil Archer: zakim, aabb is fadmaa ←
10:03:41 <Zakim> +fadmaa; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +fadmaa; got it ←
10:03:47 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?
Phil Archer: zakim, who is here? ←
10:03:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see PhilA, martin_, fadmaa
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see PhilA, martin_, fadmaa ←
10:03:48 <Zakim> On IRC I see Makx, atemezin, martin_, fadmaa, Zakim, PhilA, cygri, danbri, RRSAgent, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Makx, atemezin, martin_, fadmaa, Zakim, PhilA, cygri, danbri, RRSAgent, sandro, trackbot ←
10:03:57 <Zakim> +atemezin
Zakim IRC Bot: +atemezin ←
10:04:24 <Zakim> + +2134422aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +2134422aacc ←
10:04:31 <Makx> zakim, aacc is me
Makx Dekkers: zakim, aacc is me ←
10:04:31 <Zakim> +Makx; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Makx; got it ←
10:05:24 <Zakim> +??P5
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P5 ←
10:05:29 <cygri> zakim, ??P5 is me
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, ??P5 is me ←
10:05:29 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it ←
10:05:38 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?
Phil Archer: zakim, who is here? ←
10:05:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see PhilA, martin_, fadmaa, atemezin, Makx, cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see PhilA, martin_, fadmaa, atemezin, Makx, cygri ←
10:05:39 <Zakim> On IRC I see Makx, atemezin, martin_, fadmaa, Zakim, PhilA, cygri, danbri, RRSAgent, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Makx, atemezin, martin_, fadmaa, Zakim, PhilA, cygri, danbri, RRSAgent, sandro, trackbot ←
10:06:26 <PhilA> scribe: PhilA
(Scribe set to Phil Archer)
10:06:42 <PhilA> fadmaa: want to go through the issues, most have proposals
Fadi Maali: want to go through the issues, most have proposals ←
10:06:53 <Makx> I can barely hear fadi
Makx Dekkers: I can barely hear fadi ←
10:06:59 <fadmaa> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/AccessURLRedesign
Fadi Maali: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/AccessURLRedesign ←
10:07:03 <PhilA> very hard to hear you fadmaa
very hard to hear you fadmaa ←
10:07:59 <fadmaa> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Dcat_examples
Fadi Maali: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Dcat_examples ←
10:08:21 <Makx> +q
Makx Dekkers: +q ←
10:08:37 <Makx> -q
Makx Dekkers: -q ←
10:08:59 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
10:09:33 <martin_> q+
Martín Álvarez: q+ ←
10:10:23 <PhilA> Makx: We're working with the European Publications Office to create an application profile for DCAT so that data sets can be fund by a central service
Makx Dekkers: We're working with the European Publications Office to create an application profile for DCAT so that data sets can be fund by a central service ←
10:10:44 <PhilA> ... my priority is to get DCAT finalised
... my priority is to get DCAT finalised ←
10:10:55 <PhilA> Makx: I'm happy with the current proposal
Makx Dekkers: I'm happy with the current proposal ←
10:11:04 <PhilA> ... based on ADMS approach to the issue
... based on ADMS approach to the issue ←
10:11:12 <PhilA> cygri: I have a question
Richard Cyganiak: I have a question ←
10:11:35 <PhilA> cygri: Do we have a proposed spec text? Or do we have to go by the skets of the design in withe wiki page
Richard Cyganiak: Do we have a proposed spec text? Or do we have to go by the skets of the design in withe wiki page ←
10:12:01 <PhilA> fadmaa: I wasn't sure if I could edit the text before the meeting
Fadi Maali: I wasn't sure if I could edit the text before the meeting ←
10:13:52 <PhilA> cygri: Main simplification is that it does away with the sub classes
Richard Cyganiak: Main simplification is that it does away with the sub classes ←
10:14:15 <Zakim> -fadmaa
Zakim IRC Bot: -fadmaa ←
10:14:40 <Makx> +q
Makx Dekkers: +q ←
10:14:58 <martin_> ack cygri
Martín Álvarez: ack cygri ←
10:15:17 <PhilA> ... but we need to make a distinction between different access methods
... but we need to make a distinction between different access methods ←
10:15:21 <PhilA> ack cygri
ack cygri ←
10:15:26 <PhilA> ack Mart
ack Mart ←
10:16:02 <PhilA> martin_: This matches our experience - all in line with this proposal. We haven't had landing page and downloadURL but would be compatible
Martín Álvarez: This matches our experience - all in line with this proposal. We haven't had landing page and downloadURL but would be compatible ←
10:16:05 <PhilA> ack Makx
ack Makx ←
10:16:25 <PhilA> Makx: A question - isee that downloadURL is a sub prop of accessURL - why?
Makx Dekkers: A question - isee that downloadURL is a sub prop of accessURL - why? ←
10:16:33 <PhilA> cygri: Because download is a form of access
Richard Cyganiak: Because download is a form of access ←
10:16:51 <PhilA> Makx: But how would it be used (by someone that doesn't know the difference?
Makx Dekkers: But how would it be used (by someone that doesn't know the difference? ←
10:17:17 <PhilA> cygri: accessURL could be anything - you don't know for sure what it points to. Web page, form, whatever
Richard Cyganiak: accessURL could be anything - you don't know for sure what it points to. Web page, form, whatever ←
10:17:31 <PhilA> ... if you know it goes straight to a download then you can use downloadURL
... if you know it goes straight to a download then you can use downloadURL ←
10:17:43 <PhilA> ... the distinction is not made in some catalogues
... the distinction is not made in some catalogues ←
10:17:55 <fadmaa> sorry what was the code?
Fadi Maali: sorry what was the code? ←
10:18:01 <PhilA> zakim, code?
zakim, code? ←
10:18:01 <Zakim> the conference code is 26632 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 26632 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA ←
10:18:11 <Zakim> + +3539149aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +3539149aadd ←
10:18:15 <PhilA> Makx: Yes, but why is download a sub prop of access
Makx Dekkers: Yes, but why is download a sub prop of access ←
10:18:20 <PhilA> zakim, aadd is fadmaa
zakim, aadd is fadmaa ←
10:18:20 <Zakim> +fadmaa; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +fadmaa; got it ←
10:18:40 <PhilA> Makx: So if I doon't know the difference then I should treat downloadURL as accessURL?
Makx Dekkers: So if I doon't know the difference then I should treat downloadURL as accessURL? ←
10:18:46 <atemezin> q+
Ghislain Atemezing: q+ ←
10:18:47 <Zakim> -atemezin
Zakim IRC Bot: -atemezin ←
10:18:51 <PhilA> Makx: OKm got it
Makx Dekkers: OKm got it ←
10:19:03 <PhilA> ack atemezin
ack atemezin ←
10:19:35 <Makx> +1 distribution proposal
Makx Dekkers: +1 distribution proposal ←
10:19:43 <PhilA> PROPOSAL: ACCEPT http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/AccessURLRedesign
PROPOSED: ACCEPT http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/AccessURLRedesign ←
10:19:46 <Zakim> + +33.4.93.00.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: + +33.4.93.00.aaee ←
10:19:52 <martin_> +1
Martín Álvarez: +1 ←
10:19:55 <fadmaa> +1
Fadi Maali: +1 ←
10:20:09 <PhilA> zakim, aaee is atemezin
zakim, aaee is atemezin ←
10:20:09 <Zakim> +atemezin; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +atemezin; got it ←
10:20:32 <PhilA> atemezin: To be consistent, should accessURL be webpageURL?
Ghislain Atemezing: To be consistent, should accessURL be webpageURL? ←
10:20:36 <Zakim> -cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: -cygri ←
10:20:48 <PhilA> cygri: downloadURL and accessURL might not be a web page
Richard Cyganiak: downloadURL and accessURL might not be a web page ←
10:21:13 <Makx> shouldn't landingPage be a URI rather than URL?
Makx Dekkers: shouldn't landingPage be a URI rather than URL? ←
10:21:40 <cygri> +1
Richard Cyganiak: +1 ←
10:21:44 <PhilA> fadmaa: We were thinking of using foaf:page but we're more specific - a page where you can get access to the pag
Fadi Maali: We were thinking of using foaf:page but we're more specific - a page where you can get access to the pag ←
10:22:04 <Zakim> +??P5
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P5 ←
10:22:10 <cygri> zakim, ??P5 is me
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, ??P5 is me ←
10:22:10 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it ←
10:22:58 <atemezin> @cygri: my previous question was about landingPage actually
Ghislain Atemezing: @cygri: my previous question was about landingPage actually ←
10:23:23 <atemezin> changing landingPage to webPageURL
Ghislain Atemezing: changing landingPage to webPageURL ←
10:23:29 <PhilA> hasChannel
hasChannel ←
10:23:31 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
10:23:51 <PhilA> cygri: landingPage is consistent with foaf
Richard Cyganiak: landingPage is consistent with foaf ←
10:24:05 <PhilA> cygri: we can't call accessURL and downloadURL pages
Richard Cyganiak: we can't call accessURL and downloadURL pages ←
10:24:16 <PhilA> cygri: So for consistency I think we should stick to what we have
Richard Cyganiak: So for consistency I think we should stick to what we have ←
10:24:23 <PhilA> re proposal +1
re proposal +1 ←
10:24:30 <atemezin> +1
Ghislain Atemezing: +1 ←
10:24:32 <Makx> +1
Makx Dekkers: +1 ←
10:24:37 <martin_> +1
Martín Álvarez: +1 ←
10:24:40 <PhilA> RESOLVED: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/AccessURLRedesign is accepted
RESOLVED: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/AccessURLRedesign is accepted ←
10:25:13 <PhilA> atemezin: Should we define landingPage as a sub prop of foaf:page
Ghislain Atemezing: Should we define landingPage as a sub prop of foaf:page ←
10:25:39 <cygri> "The page property relates a thing to a document about that thing."
Richard Cyganiak: "The page property relates a thing to a document about that thing." ←
10:26:05 <fadmaa> list of issues http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/products/2
Fadi Maali: list of issues http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/products/2 ←
10:26:35 <PhilA> fadmaa: 8 and 9 are now covered
Fadi Maali: 8 and 9 are now covered ←
10:26:55 <PhilA> ... ISSUE-43 was around renaming (from Rufus)
... ISSUE-43 was around renaming (from Rufus) ←
10:27:04 <Makx> -1
Makx Dekkers: -1 ←
10:27:06 <cygri> PROPOSAL: stick to dcat:Distribution
PROPOSED: stick to dcat:Distribution ←
10:27:10 <Makx> +1
Makx Dekkers: +1 ←
10:27:12 <fadmaa> +1
Fadi Maali: +1 ←
10:27:13 <PhilA> ... my suggestion is to ask people whether they prefer Distribution or resource?
... my suggestion is to ask people whether they prefer Distribution or resource? ←
10:27:19 <martin_> +1 (Distribution)
Martín Álvarez: +1 (Distribution) ←
10:27:25 <Makx> Distribution
Makx Dekkers: Distribution ←
10:27:32 <atemezin> +1 (Distribution)
Ghislain Atemezing: +1 (Distribution) ←
10:27:36 <PhilA> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Stick to dcat:Distribution?
PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Stick to dcat:Distribution? ←
10:27:39 <PhilA> +1
+1 ←
10:27:40 <Makx> +1
Makx Dekkers: +1 ←
10:27:43 <PhilA> RESOLUTION: Stick to dcat:Distribution?
RESOLVED: Stick to dcat:Distribution? ←
10:27:51 <PhilA> close ISSUE-43
10:27:51 <trackbot> Closed ISSUE-43 rename dcat:Distribution to Resource.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-43 rename dcat:Distribution to Resource. ←
10:28:04 <cygri> ISSUE-10?
10:28:04 <trackbot> ISSUE-10 -- Refine dcat:granularity to dcat:spatialGranularity and dcat:temporalGranularity -- pending review
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-10 -- Refine dcat:granularity to dcat:spatialGranularity and dcat:temporalGranularity -- pending review ←
10:28:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/10
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/10 ←
10:28:09 <PhilA> fadmaa: ISSUE-10
10:28:14 <PhilA> ISSUE-10?
10:28:14 <trackbot> ISSUE-10 -- Refine dcat:granularity to dcat:spatialGranularity and dcat:temporalGranularity -- pending review
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-10 -- Refine dcat:granularity to dcat:spatialGranularity and dcat:temporalGranularity -- pending review ←
10:28:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/10
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/10 ←
10:28:35 <PhilA> fadmaa: proposal is to drop granularity - possibly come back to it later -DCAT2
Fadi Maali: proposal is to drop granularity - possibly come back to it later -DCAT2 ←
10:29:38 <cygri> PROPOSAL: Close ISSUE-10 by dropping dcat:granularity, as it is underspecified
PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-10 by dropping dcat:granularity, as it is underspecified ←
10:29:50 <fadmaa> q?
Fadi Maali: q? ←
10:29:53 <Makx> +1 to move to future
Makx Dekkers: +1 to move to future ←
10:29:56 <cygri> q-
Richard Cyganiak: q- ←
10:30:03 <PhilA> PhilA: +1 to dropping it - but it may well come back as a separate vocab
Phil Archer: +1 to dropping it - but it may well come back as a separate vocab ←
10:30:29 <PhilA> fadmaa: The feeling is that granularity is useful, but we don't have enough data to put it in DCAT today
Fadi Maali: The feeling is that granularity is useful, but we don't have enough data to put it in DCAT today ←
10:30:48 <PhilA> fadmaa: It's useful buyt we can't reocmmend a proper use of it today
Fadi Maali: It's useful buyt we can't reocmmend a proper use of it today ←
10:31:12 <PhilA> RESOLVED: Drop dcat:granularity
RESOLVED: Drop dcat:granularity ←
10:31:16 <PhilA> ISSUE-10 close
10:31:21 <PhilA> close ISSUE-10
10:31:21 <trackbot> Closed ISSUE-10 Refine dcat:granularity to dcat:spatialGranularity and dcat:temporalGranularity.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-10 Refine dcat:granularity to dcat:spatialGranularity and dcat:temporalGranularity. ←
10:31:23 <fadmaa> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/12
Fadi Maali: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/12 ←
10:31:46 <cygri> ISSUE-12?
10:31:46 <trackbot> ISSUE-12 -- What values to use to describe formats of dcat:Distribution? -- pending review
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-12 -- What values to use to describe formats of dcat:Distribution? -- pending review ←
10:31:46 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/12
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/12 ←
10:31:47 <PhilA> ISSUE-12?
10:31:47 <trackbot> ISSUE-12 -- What values to use to describe formats of dcat:Distribution? -- pending review
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-12 -- What values to use to describe formats of dcat:Distribution? -- pending review ←
10:31:47 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/12
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/12 ←
10:32:42 <PhilA> proposal is to have a new prop of media type - value is a one defined by IANA
proposal is to have a new prop of media type - value is a one defined by IANA ←
10:33:02 <PhilA> if it doesn't exist... (shape files etc.) then use dcformat with any value
if it doesn't exist... (shape files etc.) then use dcformat with any value ←
10:33:15 <martin_> Resolved in http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-10-25#resolution_3 ??
Martín Álvarez: Resolved in http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-10-25#resolution_3 ?? ←
10:34:29 <PhilA> ISSUE-12 was already closed, sorry, shouldn't have come up today
ISSUE-12 was already closed, sorry, shouldn't have come up today ←
10:34:35 <PhilA> close ISSUE-12
10:34:36 <trackbot> Closed ISSUE-12 What values to use to describe formats of dcat:Distribution?.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-12 What values to use to describe formats of dcat:Distribution?. ←
10:34:52 <PhilA> rrsagent, make logs public
rrsagent, make logs public ←
10:34:59 <fadmaa> issue-13 ?
Fadi Maali: ISSUE-13 ? ←
10:34:59 <trackbot> ISSUE-13 -- attach specific properties to dcat:Distribution and not to dcat:Dataset -- pending review
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-13 -- attach specific properties to dcat:Distribution and not to dcat:Dataset -- pending review ←
10:34:59 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/13
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/13 ←
10:35:01 <PhilA> ISSUE-13?
10:35:01 <trackbot> ISSUE-13 -- attach specific properties to dcat:Distribution and not to dcat:Dataset -- pending review
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-13 -- attach specific properties to dcat:Distribution and not to dcat:Dataset -- pending review ←
10:35:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/13
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/13 ←
10:35:29 <PhilA> fadmaa: We got the feedback we needed. So I think we're OK on that...
Fadi Maali: We got the feedback we needed. So I think we're OK on that... ←
10:35:51 <PhilA> fadmaa: Had feedback from Makx, it's in line with ADMS, title, description, modified and issued
Fadi Maali: Had feedback from Makx, it's in line with ADMS, title, description, modified and issued ←
10:36:03 <atemezin> +1
Ghislain Atemezing: +1 ←
10:36:03 <Makx> still +1
Makx Dekkers: still +1 ←
10:36:16 <cygri> PROPOSAL: Recommend that title, description, modified, issued can also be used on distributions, not just datasets
PROPOSED: Recommend that title, description, modified, issued can also be used on distributions, not just datasets ←
10:36:19 <cygri> +1
Richard Cyganiak: +1 ←
10:36:20 <fadmaa> +1
Fadi Maali: +1 ←
10:36:22 <Makx> +1
Makx Dekkers: +1 ←
10:36:44 <Makx> jsut adding
Makx Dekkers: just adding ←
10:36:51 <martin_> +1
Martín Álvarez: +1 ←
10:36:53 <PhilA> martin_: Do we add those to distribution and keep them from dataset?
Martín Álvarez: Do we add those to distribution and keep them from dataset? ←
10:36:59 <PhilA> fadmaa: Both - i.e. keep all of them on both
Fadi Maali: Both - i.e. keep all of them on both ←
10:37:04 <atemezin> s/jsut/just
10:37:06 <fadmaa> issue-53 ?
Fadi Maali: ISSUE-53 ? ←
10:37:06 <trackbot> ISSUE-53 -- Move the license property from dataset to distribution -- pending review
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-53 -- Move the license property from dataset to distribution -- pending review ←
10:37:06 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/53
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/53 ←
10:37:07 <PhilA> RESOLVED: Recommend that title, description, modified, issued can also be used on distributions, not just datasets
RESOLVED: Recommend that title, description, modified, issued can also be used on distributions, not just datasets ←
10:37:14 <PhilA> CLOSE issue-13
10:37:14 <trackbot> Closed ISSUE-13 attach specific properties to dcat:Distribution and not to dcat:Dataset.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-13 attach specific properties to dcat:Distribution and not to dcat:Dataset. ←
10:37:29 <Zakim> -cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: -cygri ←
10:37:41 <Zakim> +??P5
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P5 ←
10:37:45 <PhilA> fadmaa: We currently have licence on datasets but feedback said it could be different per distribution
Fadi Maali: We currently have licence on datasets but feedback said it could be different per distribution ←
10:37:47 <cygri> zakim, ??P5 is me
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, ??P5 is me ←
10:37:47 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it ←
10:37:49 <Makx> ADMS has licence for Distribution not for Asset/DataSet
Makx Dekkers: ADMS has licence for Distribution not for Asset/DataSet ←
10:37:56 <PhilA> fadmaa: I got +1 from Makx
Fadi Maali: I got +1 from Makx ←
10:38:12 <PhilA> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Move dcterms:license from Dataset to Distribution
PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Move dcterms:license from Dataset to Distribution ←
10:38:16 <Makx> +1
Makx Dekkers: +1 ←
10:38:17 <cygri> +1
Richard Cyganiak: +1 ←
10:38:17 <PhilA> +1
+1 ←
10:38:22 <fadmaa> +1
Fadi Maali: +1 ←
10:38:23 <martin_> +1
Martín Álvarez: +1 ←
10:38:32 <PhilA> RESOLUTION: Move dcterms:license from Dataset to Distribution and Close ISSUE-13
RESOLVED: Move dcterms:license from Dataset to Distribution and Close ISSUE-13 ←
10:38:35 <fadmaa> issue-52 ?
Fadi Maali: ISSUE-52 ? ←
10:38:35 <trackbot> ISSUE-52 -- Drop dc:reference from Dcat -- pending review
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-52 -- Drop dc:reference from Dcat -- pending review ←
10:38:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/52
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/52 ←
10:38:44 <PhilA> Close ISSUE-13
10:38:44 <trackbot> Closed ISSUE-13 attach specific properties to dcat:Distribution and not to dcat:Dataset.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-13 attach specific properties to dcat:Distribution and not to dcat:Dataset. ←
10:38:54 <Makx> in fact dc:refernce does not exist
Makx Dekkers: in fact dc:refernce does not exist ←
10:39:19 <Makx> http://dublincore.org/documents/dcmi-terms/#terms-references
Makx Dekkers: http://dublincore.org/documents/dcmi-terms/#terms-references ←
10:39:31 <PhilA> fadmaa: dcterms:reference is too generic to be useful. So we can just leave it out of the spec. They can still use it of course
Fadi Maali: dcterms:reference is too generic to be useful. So we can just leave it out of the spec. They can still use it of course ←
10:39:46 <cygri> it's references, not reference :-)
Richard Cyganiak: it's references, not reference :-) ←
10:39:48 <Makx> so it's dc:references with s at the end
Makx Dekkers: so it's dc:references with s at the end ←
10:40:04 <Makx> OK to drop
Makx Dekkers: OK to drop ←
10:40:17 <PhilA> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Drop dcterms:references from the spec 9which doesn't make it illegal to use) and close ISSUE-13
PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Drop dcterms:references from the spec (which doesn't make it illegal to use) and close ISSUE-13 ←
10:40:21 <Makx> +1
Makx Dekkers: +1 ←
10:40:23 <PhilA> s/9/(/
10:40:23 <cygri> +1
Richard Cyganiak: +1 ←
10:40:26 <martin_> +1
Martín Álvarez: +1 ←
10:40:26 <PhilA> +1
+1 ←
10:40:27 <atemezin> +1
Ghislain Atemezing: +1 ←
10:40:31 <PhilA> RESOLUTION: Drop dcterms:references from the spec 9which doesn't make it illegal to use) and close ISSUE-13
RESOLVED: Drop dcterms:references from the spec 9which doesn't make it illegal to use) and close ISSUE-13 ←
10:40:39 <PhilA> close ISSUE-13
10:40:39 <trackbot> Closed ISSUE-13 attach specific properties to dcat:Distribution and not to dcat:Dataset.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-13 attach specific properties to dcat:Distribution and not to dcat:Dataset. ←
10:40:51 <PhilA> ISSUE-11?
10:40:51 <trackbot> ISSUE-11 -- Is dcat:CatalogRecord related to Named Graphs? -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-11 -- Is dcat:CatalogRecord related to Named Graphs? -- open ←
10:40:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/11
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/11 ←
10:40:57 <PhilA> ISSUE-14?
10:40:57 <trackbot> ISSUE-14 -- add dcat:permanentIdentifier property -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-14 -- add dcat:permanentIdentifier property -- open ←
10:40:57 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/14
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/14 ←
10:41:01 <fadmaa> issue-11 ?
Fadi Maali: ISSUE-11 ? ←
10:41:01 <trackbot> ISSUE-11 -- Is dcat:CatalogRecord related to Named Graphs? -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-11 -- Is dcat:CatalogRecord related to Named Graphs? -- open ←
10:41:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/11
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/11 ←
10:41:01 <PhilA> ISSUE-54?
10:41:01 <trackbot> ISSUE-54 -- Relationship of DCAT and VoID -- raised
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-54 -- Relationship of DCAT and VoID -- raised ←
10:41:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/54
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/54 ←
10:41:11 <PhilA> cygri: I've been looking at these this morning
Richard Cyganiak: I've been looking at these this morning ←
10:41:14 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/mid/5E2B5125-A4F7-4D3D-871E-0FD05EA9B7BD@cyganiak.de
Richard Cyganiak: http://www.w3.org/mid/5E2B5125-A4F7-4D3D-871E-0FD05EA9B7BD@cyganiak.de ←
10:41:47 <PhilA> cygri: issue-11 there probably is some sort of relationship
Richard Cyganiak: ISSUE-11 there probably is some sort of relationship ←
10:42:25 <cygri> In web-based catalogs that provide an individual page for each dataset, the URL of that page can be used as the IRI of the catalog record if it is a permalink. This is specially appropriate if the page provides access to an RDF description of the dataset via content negotiation [[RFC2616]], embedded RDFa markup, or similar mechanisms.
Richard Cyganiak: In web-based catalogs that provide an individual page for each dataset, the URL of that page can be used as the IRI of the catalog record if it is a permalink. This is specially appropriate if the page provides access to an RDF description of the dataset via content negotiation [[RFC2616]], embedded RDFa markup, or similar mechanisms. ←
10:42:26 <cygri> If a catalog is represented as an RDF Dataset [[RDF11-Concepts]] with named graphs, then it is appropriate to place the description of each dataset (consisting of all RDF triples that mention the dcat:Dataset, dcat:CatalogRecord, and any of its dcat:Distributions) into a separate named graph. The name of that graph should be the IRI of the catalog record.
Richard Cyganiak: If a catalog is represented as an RDF Dataset [[RDF11-Concepts]] with named graphs, then it is appropriate to place the description of each dataset (consisting of all RDF triples that mention the dcat:Dataset, dcat:CatalogRecord, and any of its dcat:Distributions) into a separate named graph. The name of that graph should be the IRI of the catalog record. ←
10:43:38 <PhilA> cygri: That tries to explain how the differnet identifiers canplay together
Richard Cyganiak: That tries to explain how the differnet identifiers canplay together ←
10:43:46 <Makx> +q
Makx Dekkers: +q ←
10:43:49 <fadmaa> +1
Fadi Maali: +1 ←
10:43:53 <PhilA> ack Makx
ack Makx ←
10:44:14 <PhilA> Makx: This sounds a little like an OAI ?? has to be. Are people familiar with that?
Makx Dekkers: This sounds a little like an OAI ?? has to be. Are people familiar with that? ←
10:44:25 <PhilA> cygri: Yes, it does sound like that
Richard Cyganiak: Yes, it does sound like that ←
10:44:54 <PhilA> Makx: It makes it explicit that different things can be related. It doesn't use the URI of one of the elements - it creates a new URI for the collection
Makx Dekkers: It makes it explicit that different things can be related. It doesn't use the URI of one of the elements - it creates a new URI for the collection ←
10:45:14 <PhilA> cygri: We're saying that if you already have a Web page that describes the dataset, then you can just use that
Richard Cyganiak: We're saying that if you already have a Web page that describes the dataset, then you can just use that ←
10:45:38 <Makx> http://www.openarchives.org/ore/
Makx Dekkers: http://www.openarchives.org/ore/ ←
10:45:41 <cygri> current text:
Richard Cyganiak: current text: ←
10:45:42 <cygri> In web-based catalogs, the URL of the catalog page should be used as URI for the catalog record if it is a permalink.
Richard Cyganiak: In web-based catalogs, the URL of the catalog page should be used as URI for the catalog record if it is a permalink. ←
10:45:43 <cygri> If named graphs are used, all RDF triples describing the catalog record, the dataset, and its distributions, should go into a graph named with the catalog record's URI.
Richard Cyganiak: If named graphs are used, all RDF triples describing the catalog record, the dataset, and its distributions, should go into a graph named with the catalog record's URI. ←
10:46:10 <PhilA> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: resolve ISSUE-11 by replacing the current text with the text proposed in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Mar/0073.html
PROPOSED RESOLUTION: resolve ISSUE-11 by replacing the current text with the text proposed in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Mar/0073.html ←
10:46:27 <Makx> +q
Makx Dekkers: +q ←
10:46:37 <PhilA> ack Makx
ack Makx ←
10:46:54 <PhilA> Makx: I believe that named graphs is still not resolved?
Makx Dekkers: I believe that named graphs is still not resolved? ←
10:47:23 <PhilA> cygri: It's been in SPARQL for about 5 years and will be in RDF 1.1 as part of the Core. It's going to be a Last Call pretty soon. The named graph part is stable
Richard Cyganiak: It's been in SPARQL for about 5 years and will be in RDF 1.1 as part of the Core. It's going to be a Last Call pretty soon. The named graph part is stable ←
10:47:44 <PhilA> PhilA: Does this create a dependency on RDF 1.1?
Phil Archer: Does this create a dependency on RDF 1.1? ←
10:48:26 <PhilA> cygri: It's in line with SPARQL
Richard Cyganiak: It's in line with SPARQL ←
10:48:31 <PhilA> ... we could point to that
... we could point to that ←
10:49:16 <PhilA> ... or make it informative
... or make it informative ←
10:50:35 <PhilA> PhilA: You can refer to SPARQL and 'informatively' to RDF 1.1
Phil Archer: You can refer to SPARQL and 'informatively' to RDF 1.1 ←
10:50:37 <Makx> fine with me
Makx Dekkers: fine with me ←
10:50:46 <PhilA> cygri: We could refer to SPARQL now and maybe change the reference in future
Richard Cyganiak: We could refer to SPARQL now and maybe change the reference in future ←
10:51:08 <cygri> PROPOSAL: resolve ISSUE-11 by replacing the current text with the text proposed in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Mar/0073.html but refer to SPARQL instead of RDF 1.1 for RDF Dataset and Named Graphs
PROPOSED: resolve ISSUE-11 by replacing the current text with the text proposed in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Mar/0073.html but refer to SPARQL instead of RDF 1.1 for RDF Dataset and Named Graphs ←
10:51:14 <cygri> +1
Richard Cyganiak: +1 ←
10:51:18 <martin_> +1
Martín Álvarez: +1 ←
10:51:20 <PhilA> +1
+1 ←
10:51:25 <atemezin> +1
Ghislain Atemezing: +1 ←
10:51:26 <fadmaa> +1
Fadi Maali: +1 ←
10:51:37 <PhilA> RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-11 by replacing the current text with the text proposed in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Mar/0073.html but refer to SPARQL instead of RDF 1.1 for RDF Dataset and Named Graphs
RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-11 by replacing the current text with the text proposed in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Mar/0073.html but refer to SPARQL instead of RDF 1.1 for RDF Dataset and Named Graphs ←
10:51:51 <cygri> ISSUE-14?
10:51:51 <trackbot> ISSUE-14 -- add dcat:permanentIdentifier property -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-14 -- add dcat:permanentIdentifier property -- open ←
10:51:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/14
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/14 ←
10:52:51 <PhilA> cygri: This was raised when we discussed DCAT with people working on federated catalogues - national federation of local and so on
Richard Cyganiak: This was raised when we discussed DCAT with people working on federated catalogues - national federation of local and so on ←
10:53:08 <Zakim> -cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: -cygri ←
10:53:11 <PhilA> ... you might get the same record from 2 different places. You need a way to say they're the same
... you might get the same record from 2 different places. You need a way to say they're the same ←
10:53:26 <Makx> +q
Makx Dekkers: +q ←
10:53:50 <fadmaa> The dcat:permanentIdentifier property conveys a permanent, globally unique identifier for a dataset. When a DCAT description of a dataset is relocated, syndicated, or republished, the contents of the dcat:permanentIdentifier property MUST NOT change. In other words, the identifier pertains to any occurrence of this same dataset in any catalog, even where dataset descriptions may be exchanged between catalogs and the dataset IRI may change in the process. The value
Fadi Maali: The dcat:permanentIdentifier property conveys a permanent, globally unique identifier for a dataset. When a DCAT description of a dataset is relocated, syndicated, or republished, the contents of the dcat:permanentIdentifier property MUST NOT change. In other words, the identifier pertains to any occurrence of this same dataset in any catalog, even where dataset descriptions may be exchanged between catalogs and the dataset IRI may change in the process. The value ←
10:53:53 <PhilA> ack Makx
ack Makx ←
10:55:00 <Zakim> +??P5
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P5 ←
10:55:06 <cygri> zakim, ??P5 is me
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, ??P5 is me ←
10:55:06 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it ←
10:55:41 <PhilA> Makx: We had a situation in Europeana - you;re getting into the issue of whether 2 things re the same that have different URIs
Makx Dekkers: We had a situation in Europeana - you;re getting into the issue of whether 2 things re the same that have different URIs ←
10:55:48 <PhilA> ... this doesn't do what you were just saying
... this doesn't do what you were just saying ←
10:56:15 <PhilA> cygri: If you have a network of different catalogues, you end up with 2 copies of the same record
Richard Cyganiak: If you have a network of different catalogues, you end up with 2 copies of the same record ←
10:56:37 <PhilA> cygri: different catalogues might describe the same thing without any knowledge of the other
Richard Cyganiak: different catalogues might describe the same thing without any knowledge of the other ←
10:56:39 <PhilA> q+
q+ ←
10:57:21 <PhilA> Makx: So your proposal is about the first catalogue record
Makx Dekkers: So your proposal is about the first catalogue record ←
10:57:36 <PhilA> Makx: You get into the issue where you need to compare records
Makx Dekkers: You get into the issue where you need to compare records ←
10:57:48 <PhilA> cygri: Yes, but it's helpful if you know it's the same record, or supposed to be
Richard Cyganiak: Yes, but it's helpful if you know it's the same record, or supposed to be ←
10:58:36 <PhilA> Makx: Who assigns that permanent ID?
Makx Dekkers: Who assigns that permanent ID? ←
10:58:57 <atemezin> Not sure I understand this issue..could it be resolved using the provenance info when agregating records in dataset?
Ghislain Atemezing: Not sure I understand this issue..could it be resolved using the provenance info when agregating records in dataset? ←
10:59:01 <PhilA> cygri: The original owner of the record
Richard Cyganiak: The original owner of the record ←
10:59:45 <PhilA> rrsagent, generate minutes
rrsagent, generate minutes ←
10:59:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/03/08-gld-minutes.html PhilA
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/03/08-gld-minutes.html PhilA ←
11:00:28 <fadmaa> permanentIdentifier is particularly helpful for aggregator... it is a propert that should not be changed by the aggregator if it exists in the original data
Fadi Maali: permanentIdentifier is particularly helpful for aggregator... it is a propert that should not be changed by the aggregator if it exists in the original data ←
11:00:55 <martin_> (I have no particular opinion on this)
Martín Álvarez: (I have no particular opinion on this) ←
11:00:56 <PhilA> rrsagent, generate minutes
rrsagent, generate minutes ←
11:00:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/03/08-gld-minutes.html PhilA
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/03/08-gld-minutes.html PhilA ←
11:00:59 <martin_> thanks
Martín Álvarez: thanks ←
11:01:04 <Zakim> -PhilA
Zakim IRC Bot: -PhilA ←
11:07:02 <Zakim> -Makx
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Zakim IRC Bot: -Makx ←
11:07:11 <cygri> zakim, who is on the phone?
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
11:07:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see martin_, fadmaa, atemezin, cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see martin_, fadmaa, atemezin, cygri ←
11:10:21 <Zakim> -cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: -cygri ←
11:10:41 <Zakim> -atemezin
Zakim IRC Bot: -atemezin ←
11:10:43 <Zakim> -fadmaa
Zakim IRC Bot: -fadmaa ←
11:10:57 <cygri> sorry, connection dropped again
Richard Cyganiak: sorry, connection dropped again ←
11:11:02 <cygri> and now i can't call in
Richard Cyganiak: and now i can't call in ←
11:11:12 <cygri> but we've said everything i guess :-)
Richard Cyganiak: but we've said everything i guess :-) ←
11:11:15 <cygri> thanks all
Richard Cyganiak: thanks all ←
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