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<trackbot> Date: 19 September 2013
<plh> tel:+1.617.258.0992 (Office)
<plh> charset
<plh> If specified, the charset parameter must match the XML encoding declaration, or if absent, the actual encoding.
<plh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2013Aug/0052.html
<tmichel> +1
<tmichel> to using TTML1
<Sean> scribe?
<plh> http://www.w3.org/TR/ttml1/ will be then
<glenn> scribenick: mijordan
Publication date for TTML 1.0SE is Sept 24
shortname url forthcoming
<glenn> Action glenn to send final URL for SE publishing to ML
<trackbot> Created ACTION-202 - Send final url for se publishing to ml [on Glenn Adams - due 2013-09-26].
<scribe> Pending review actions:
<glenn> action-188?
<trackbot> action-188 -- Glenn Adams to Create an issue to address the use of other namespace vocabulary in the schema -- due 2013-09-15 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/188
<glenn> resolved by creating issue-278
<glenn> issue-278?
<trackbot> issue-278 -- Tightening schema support for foreign vocabulary. -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/278
<glenn> close action-188
<trackbot> Closed action-188.
Action-198?
<trackbot> Action-198 -- Thierry Michel to Check if feature request for tracker notifications on action/issue new comment or status change has been added to requested feature list -- due 2013-09-12 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/198
Thierry checked and such notifications are not currently supported. I sent email to w3t-sys requesting the feature, which should eventually show up on http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/todo
close action-188
<trackbot> Closed action-188.
close action-198
<trackbot> Closed action-198.
Action-199?
<trackbot> Action-199 -- Glenn Adams to Create new issue about need for region elements to obtain inherited styles, possibly from layout or tt element -- due 2013-09-12 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/199
Opened issue-277
close Action-199
<trackbot> Closed Action-199.
Action-200?
<trackbot> Action-200 -- Glenn Adams to Add ttp:version to items for possible f2f agenda -- due 2013-09-12 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/200
close action-200
<trackbot> Closed action-200.
Action-201?
<trackbot> Action-201 -- Nigel Megitt to Check if pixel aspect ratio makes a difference when performing the min and max comparison -- due 2013-09-12 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/201
close Action-201
<trackbot> Closed Action-201.
Issue-20?
<trackbot> Issue-20 -- Region border not supported -- pending review
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/20
Glenn: Added support for tts:border property. Question re supporting additional border styles for CEA-708. Need to determine how CSS3 border styles map to styles in CEA-708.
Added border on region and content elements since supported in CSS
close issue-20
<trackbot> Closed issue-20.
<glenn> issue-20: if there are issues around 708 styles, a new issue should be opened with specifics
<trackbot> Notes added to issue-20 Region border not supported.
<glenn> action glenn to investigate 708 border style mapping issues with mike's help
<trackbot> Created ACTION-203 - Investigate 708 border style mapping issues with mike's help [on Glenn Adams - due 2013-09-26].
issue-22?
<trackbot> issue-22 -- window fade in/out not supported? -- pending review
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/22
Add support for continuous animation using animate element. https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/rev/1d13586de640
definition from SVG for symantics
want to make sure it can be mapped to CSS animation
<glenn> issue-22: need to check how well the animate semantics map to CSS3 Animation
<trackbot> Notes added to issue-22 window fade in/out not supported?.
Remain as pending review
Glenn: other changes made
- Set element: at support for targeting an element that is not immediate parent of set element
created grouping element in head for animation, in TTML2 introduced concepts of inline and out-of-line animation
<glenn> glenn: described recent changes to introduce animate element, inline vs out-of-line animation, etc.
<glenn> sean: let's leave this issue-22 pending until i can review
issue-23?
<trackbot> issue-23 -- intermediate animation of extent -- pending review
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/23
leave issue-23 pending review and issue-72 pending review
issue-159?
<trackbot> issue-159 -- Text orientation in I18n script processing -- pending review
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/159
glenn: added tts:textOrientation styling attribute, with mixed, sideways, and upright values. but will be adding sideways-left and sideways-right values
<glenn> action glenn to add sideways{Left,Right} then close issue-159
<trackbot> Created ACTION-204 - Add sideways{left,right} then close issue-159 [on Glenn Adams - due 2013-09-26].
<glenn> action-204: should also then be able to close issue-231
<trackbot> Notes added to action-204 Add sideways{left,right} then close issue-159.
should be able to close issue-231 at same time
<glenn> issue-231?
<trackbot> issue-231 -- Individual character rotation -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/231
issue-167?
<trackbot> issue-167 -- allowing attributes that have no semantics on specific elements -- pending review
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/167
<glenn> issue-231: should be closed upon conclusion of action-204
<trackbot> Notes added to issue-231 Individual character rotation.
Added note in 8.2
Sean: pending review from Mike Dolan
issue-168?
<trackbot> issue-168 -- Padding on tt:p and tt:span elements -- pending review
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/168
<glenn> issue-167: mike should review, but WG appears satisfied
<trackbot> Notes added to issue-167 allowing attributes that have no semantics on specific elements.
Glenn: added support for padding for all content elements, maps natively to css and xfl-fo
question about background color going through padding
andreas: original requirement from EBU that with added padding the background color displays in the padded portion of the region
close issue-168
<trackbot> Closed issue-168.
andreas: question is there a difference between adding padding on div and p
glenn: padding is cummulative
issue-176?
<trackbot> issue-176 -- Adding support for extent and origin attributes on block elements -- pending review
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/176
glenn: note added to issue
sean: note describes solution that has not been the industry practice
glenn: problem with proposed solution in that it would be confusing to those that think in terms of css
sean: we'll have to articulate
reasons for the change to implementors in the industry
... can't close at this point because it's not what was
originally requested
<glenn> action sean to forward this solution to relevant implementers for their input
<trackbot> Created ACTION-205 - Forward this solution to relevant implementers for their input [on Sean Hayes - due 2013-09-26].
Glenn: if we put origin and extent on content element it puts them outside of the region inheritence
sean: it's an issue of purity over common practice
put on agenda for face to face
<glenn> action glenn to add agenda items for F2F to discuss targeted animation, inline vs out-of-line regions
<trackbot> Created ACTION-206 - Add agenda items for f2f to discuss targeted animation, inline vs out-of-line regions [on Glenn Adams - due 2013-09-26].
issue-178?
<trackbot> issue-178 -- initial values and style set calculations are unclear, especially for transformable attributes -- pending review
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/178
keep pending review from Mike Dolan
issue-193?
<trackbot> issue-193 -- Address SMPTE Questions for Region, Border, etc. related to character edge attributes -- pending review
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/193
<glenn> issue-193: closing in deference to more specific issues
<trackbot> Notes added to issue-193 Address SMPTE Questions for Region, Border, etc. related to character edge attributes.
closing in deference to more specific issues added later
close issue-193
<trackbot> Closed issue-193.
issue-206?
<trackbot> issue-206 -- Add ttp:profileCombination parameter -- pending review
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/206
sean: part of more complex set of changes around profiles. added to agenda for face to face
keep pending review
issue-225
<trackbot> issue-225 -- tts:fontSize as percentage of container dimensions -- pending review
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/225
glenn: added 4 new units vh/vw
and vmin/vmax
... what does size mean re vmin/vmax
sean: another issues discussing what does pixel mean in absence of defined space
glenn: leave pending for time being
sean: agreed
issue-232
<trackbot> issue-232 -- Bottom-to-top text direction -- pending review
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/232
glenn: proposing to close in absence of bottom to top text direction in css
sean: agree with closing as ST 428-7 has been deprecated
close issue-232
<trackbot> Closed issue-232.
issue-257?
<trackbot> issue-257 -- Interpretation of percentage tts:fontSize on region element -- pending review
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/257
glenn: further tweaked definition of percentage in tts:fontSize
<glenn> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/default/ttml1/spec/ttml1.html#style-attribute-fontSize
<glenn> glenn: see clarification of "Percentages:"
editorial change will be included in TTML 1.0 SE
close issue-257
<trackbot> Closed issue-257.
issue-259?
<trackbot> issue-259 -- Define "closest" -- pending review
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/259
Glenn: added definition of
"closest" in each place it was used.
... pierre suggested adding a round-down clarification
<glenn> issue-259: need to add "round-down" clarification, then close
<trackbot> Notes added to issue-259 Define "closest".
sean: agreed
<glenn> action glenn to add round-down clarification to "closest" language, see issue-259
<trackbot> Created ACTION-207 - Add round-down clarification to "closest" language, see issue-259 [on Glenn Adams - due 2013-09-26].
leave as pending
issue-260?
<trackbot> issue-260 -- When agent is not @type 'character', then should prohibit actor child. -- pending review
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/260
Glenn: Addressed by allowing all agent types to be referenced by actor.
close issue-260
<trackbot> Closed issue-260.
issue-261?
<trackbot> issue-261 -- signaling docoument profile conformance is separate from decoder presentation requirements -- pending review
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/261
Glenn: added ttp:contentProfile parameter
leave pending review
issue-262?
<trackbot> issue-262 -- tts:extent semantics if value not supported -- pending review
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/262
Glenn: leave as pending review for Michael Dolan to review, since he raised the issue.
issue-264?
<trackbot> issue-264 -- What XML entities are valid in TTML canonical syntax -- pending review
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/264
<glenn> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/default/ttml1/spec/ttml1.html#concrete-encoding
<glenn> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml2/spec/ttml2.html#concrete-encoding
Glenn: added note to appendix N (non-normative) in TTML1
s/appendix M/appendix N
same note in TTML2
close issue-264
<trackbot> Closed issue-264.
issue-266?
<trackbot> issue-266 -- add ability for instance documents to declare what profile(s) it conforms to -- pending review
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/266
leave pending review
issue-268?
<trackbot> issue-268 -- Purpose of new draft wording in 12.2.1 is unclear -- pending review
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/268
close issue-268
<trackbot> Closed issue-268.
issue-271?
<trackbot> issue-271 -- 9.3.2 Smooth transition reference unavailable or requires purchase to resolve -- pending review
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/271
close issue-271
<trackbot> Closed issue-271.
issue-274?
<trackbot> issue-274 -- Semantics of "prohibited" features -- pending review
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/274
Glenn: TTML2 added note: Use of the prohibited value for a feature value is not to be interpreted as meaning that a conformant processor need not or must not support the default semantics that apply for that feature.
close issue-274
<trackbot> Closed issue-274.
issue-275?
<trackbot> issue-275 -- Improve compatibility with line height 'normal' and CSS/XSL-FO implementations. -- pending review
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/275
<glenn> action glenn to add note to issue-275 linking to follow-on changelist which changed to 125% and made a note in ttml1
<trackbot> Created ACTION-208 - Add note to issue-275 linking to follow-on changelist which changed to 125% and made a note in ttml1 [on Glenn Adams - due 2013-09-26].
close issue-275
<trackbot> Closed issue-275.
issue-279?
<trackbot> issue-279 -- Add @designator attribute to ttp:profile element. -- pending review
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/279
https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml2/spec/ttml2.html#parameter-vocabulary-profile
close issue-279
<trackbot> Closed issue-279.
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