W3C

HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference

12 Sep 2013

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
janina, MarkS, Judy, Cynthia_Shelly, John_Foliot, stevef, Suzanne_Taylor
Regrets
David MacDonald, Leonie, Hober, chaals
Chair
Janina_Sajka
Scribe
SuzanneT

Contents


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<MarkS> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Scribe_List

<scribe> scribe: SuzanneT

<Judy> http://idpf.org/edupub-2013

HTML Mappings Document Update

JS: not ready to published, but was published

ironing out status of document, wondering whether or not to finish consensus process

status should say aimed at HTML 5.1

need a second editor

JB: should complete process, with a note that the document is intended to be joinly produced document

status should be updated per bug that steve f entered

should we get Mark listed on any of these joint documents, to help prevent this type of issue

<chaals> Sorry folks, I just sent regrets and some comments...

Group: need to archive some of the editors; okay to drop Cynthia? yes

Alt Edits Review

(if possible, try to say your name when speaking, since i'm still learning voices)

JS: discussion on Aug 1st: conclusion was yes, useful to id class of object, such as "logo"

<MarkS> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23207 -> filed by janina

propose to include a number of these like, pie chart, bar graph, etc

<MarkS> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22854 -> david macdonald

MS: foound related bug by Dave McDonald

mark as duplicate

Mark will add additional classes of images

JS: perhaps show a few design patterns for how you add the classes

JF: might be in WCAG techniques

<SteveF> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/embedded-content-0.html#graphical-representations:-charts,-diagrams,-graphs,-maps,-illustrations

group: keep these parallel, there's a task force that is responsible for WCAG techniques for HTML 5

oh, sorry JF

SF: problem with active images, 'logo' might cause folks to think this is a link to a logo
... the alt-text for active images is the link text which needs to be a brief description of the target

group: logo: links to homepage? but then print icon: prints page?

JS: okay to ask techniques taskforce to take this up

group: yes, useful

MarkS: can take this up as an action item

<MarkS> ACTION: MarkS to follow up with WCAG on providing feedback on ALT advise document, specifically on the use of class/category info on images, especially when contained within hyperlinks. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/09/12-html-a11y-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-194 - Follow up with wcag on providing feedback on alt advise document, specifically on the use of class/category info on images, especially when contained within hyperlinks. [on Mark Sadecki - due 2013-09-19].

Longdesc Testing Update http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Aug/0062.html

2 items on the agenda today - 60 day last call closes on Monday - time for comments nearly passed

1) testing for CR exit

<MarkS> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Longdesc-tests -> longdesc test results wiki

<MarkS> https://github.com/chaals/longdesc-tests -> longdesc tests on github

JS: clean up needed, can probably do in next couple weeks, not days

Longdesc LC Comments: Process and Responses

2) need to provide a formal response to these, after establishing concensus on our response

there are five such comments

<MarkS> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/44061/WD-html-longdesc-20130716/ -> longdesc comment tracker

send candidate resolutions to the list to see if there are any objections

JS: seeking to be exhaustive and thorough documenting both concensus and minor opinions

<MarkS> CN(via email): I propose to make no substantive changes in response to the comments, but in response to the comments from James Craig I will propose to add a statement to the effect that authors should not use longdesc as an excuse for not achieving better accessibility with techniques like the use of accessible SVG, or MathML instead of pictures of mathematical expressions - in such cases longdesc should be considered a fallback for old technology.

JB: is it acceptable to use a description instead of mathML for a single bit of math?

jf: strong reservations on saying that long desc is inappropriate
... concerned how we convey this. for example, saying use SVG can be a problem, since support is poor
... should avoid negative comments

ST: often we use longdesc to include MathML

jf: this could be an attempt at weakening longdesc, but the word 'inappropriate' is subjective

JB: helpful to focus on alternate response & wording

JS: better to talk about what we encourage and recognize that there are many ways to achieve appropriate markup
... spec is not the place for author guidance on choosing what to do
... positive not negative, support many ways/options, point to other W3C guidance

jf: can live with that, believe it belongs in WCAG techniques document

CS: what about a see also link to other options, instead of making a judgement

JB: perhaps handle in techniques layers, but have to get the timing to work better

JS: Is there an appropriate use of longdesc instead of mathML or instead of SVG?

two considerations: developer learning curve & user learning curve (download mathplayer, etc)

the tutorial folks have raised this question and need an answer

jf: educational folks were concerned because Google Chrome was supposed to supply native support, but it was dropped

<JF> ACTION: JF to contact edu folks re: MathML support and failure status in 2 weeks [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/09/12-html-a11y-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-195 - Contact edu folks re: mathml support and failure status in 2 weeks [on John Foliot - due 2013-09-19].

JS: proposed response to very specific requirements for longdesc implementations: allow developers to be creative because

there is room for improvements

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: JF to contact edu folks re: MathML support and failure status in 2 weeks [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/09/12-html-a11y-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: MarkS to follow up with WCAG on providing feedback on ALT advise document, specifically on the use of class/category info on images, especially when contained within hyperlinks. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/09/12-html-a11y-minutes.html#action01]
 
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