W3C

Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

16 May 2013

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Addison, Richard, Mati, Aharon
Regrets
Norbert, Felix, JcK
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
aphillip

Contents


Action Items

<r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open

close ACTION-212

<trackbot> Closed ACTION-212 Prepare KLReq for FPWD and usher through publication process.

close ACTION-222

<trackbot> Closed ACTION-222 Talk to robin about HTML5 bidi proposal next steps.

close ACTION-223

<trackbot> Closed ACTION-223 Follow up on status of encoding spec.

<scribe> ACTION: addison: prepare encoding spec for FPWD [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-i18n-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-226 - Prepare encoding spec for FPWD [on Addison Phillips - due 2013-05-23].

close ACTION-224

<trackbot> Closed ACTION-224 Ask for feedback on update techniques documents on the winter list.

close ACTION-225

<trackbot> Closed ACTION-225 Send addison pointer to respec instructions etc..

Info Share

richard: published KLReq

(general applause)

richard: report for Rome ML workshop released

<r12a> http://www.w3.org/blog/International/2013/05/14/rome-multilingualweb-workshop-report-now-available/

Feedback on format of Bidi WG Note proposal

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2013May/0026.html

<r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/docs/bp-html-bidi/

richard: had a few comments on this
... some from Amir
... doc is so simple now could put in direct links

<r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/docs/bp-html-bidi/#ri20030218.135303232

matial: make icon clearer
... and put note in start to say what it is
... make larger and add color

richard: good idea
... wanted to discuss if I should forge ahead with language one also
... and give same treatment

matial: good treatment
... put the details offline and see via icon is good

richard: will go ahead with language document too

KLReq comments

richard: question is: should we track comments using tracker?
... Korean authors are on CJK list
... and then they'd do something about it
... not sure if they are looking or will take action?
... would it help if we had a list?

addison: would be helpful to be able to tick off the collected list
... think they can see tracker??

richard: some private comments sent to me personally, have asked folks to put on public cjk list

<scribe> ACTION: richard: set up KLReq in tracker and start shepherding comments [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-i18n-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-227 - Set up KLReq in tracker and start shepherding comments [on Richard Ishida - due 2013-05-23].

CharMod-Norm

http://inter-locale.com/w3c/charmod-norm-1.1-draft.html

Bidi

richard: had response from Robin for next steps

aharon: will work on tests

richard: when you do that...
... was difficult to tell if tests worked
... not in any particular order and many edge cases
... and we have links from places like techniques
... to "test your browser", for example
... would be great if you could develop the tests in that way

aharon: existing tests such as dir=auto
... some meet that--very simple and core demonstrations

<r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/tests/html-css/bidi-html5/results-bidi-html5#dirauto

aharon: not really an addition-to, but knowing which one is the basic demo

richard: link is the one on dir=auto
... found some tests that I pulled up into "basic"
... also found, in some cases, needed to "tease apart" some of the tests
... because they appeared to do more than one thing
... if remember correctly the original test, for example, did both isolation and ordering
... but maybe should separate?

aharon: agree tests should test one thing

richard: need to ensure everything going in spec is ready and correct
... check CSS is correct
... and secton on Unicode controls
... section is in 5.1 but not 5.0 yet
... check that it's all correct
... and then robin knows what to do in rendering section
... get into 5.1 so he can pull it for 5.0 when implemented
... and we need implementers
... want it in 5.0
... because in CR now, need implementations if we want in 5.0. definitely can get into 5.1

aharon: two parts
... 1. the markup
... 2. support for unicode chars
... since new unicode chars won't be in 5.0 anyway; requires updating UBA in browsers
... that takes time
... but markup uses css and already works in WK, blink, and moz
... moz has a few small problems
... only solved by new UBA

addison: only need two

aharon: so if WK and blink could do it

richard: some discussion?
... but that would maybe suffice in robin's opinion?

aharon: could push to make that happen if already in 5.1

richard: can add to 5.1 straight away
... just need to talk to robin to get text right
... aim for 5.0 for markup
... and add chars support in 5.1

aharon: action me for next week to go over and probably produce changes in text for 5.1

<scribe> ACTION: aharon: file bug on 5.1 and review text, pinging robin about how best to file [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-i18n-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-228 - File bug on 5.1 and review text, pinging robin about how best to file [on Aharon Lanin - due 2013-05-23].

aharon: review text in private email with robin/richard and get on same page and then, if needed, file bug

richard: robin can advise if need to email HTML-WG

AOB?

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: addison: prepare encoding spec for FPWD [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: aharon: file bug on 5.1 and review text, pinging robin about how best to file [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: richard: set up KLReq in tracker and start shepherding comments [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
 
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