14:58:07 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #i18n
14:58:07 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-i18n-irc
14:58:15 <aphillip> trackbot, prepare teleconference
14:58:17 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
14:58:19 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
14:58:19 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
14:58:20 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
14:58:20 <trackbot> Date: 16 May 2013
14:58:24 <matial> matial has joined #i18n
14:58:33 <aphillip> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2013May/0025.html
14:58:36 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
14:58:42 <aphillip> Regrets: Norbert, Felix
14:58:57 <aphillip> agenda+ RADAR
14:59:05 <aphillip> agenda+ CharMod-Norm
14:59:12 <aphillip> Agenda+ Bidi
14:59:21 <aphillip> Agend+ Webapps
14:59:29 <aphillip> agenda+ Webapps
14:59:46 <aphillip> agenda+   Feedback on format of Bidi WG Note proposal
14:59:55 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:59:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:00:11 <aphillip> rrsagent, set logs world
15:01:32 <r12a> zakim, dial richard please
15:01:32 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
15:01:33 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has now started
15:01:34 <Zakim> +Richard
15:01:53 <Zakim> +??P6
15:02:03 <Zakim> +aphillip
15:02:07 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
15:02:07 <matial> zakim, ??p6 is me'
15:02:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see Richard, ??P6, aphillip
15:02:08 <Zakim> +me'; got it
15:02:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see matial, RRSAgent, aphillip, r12a, fantasai, Zakim, trackbot
15:04:54 <aphillip> Topic: Agenda
15:04:57 <aphillip> agenda?
15:05:33 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
15:05:40 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
15:06:26 <aphillip> close ACTION-212
15:06:26 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-212 Prepare KLReq for FPWD and usher through publication process.
15:06:47 <r12a> agenda+ KLReq comments
15:07:39 <aphillip> close ACTION-222
15:07:39 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-222 Talk to robin about HTML5 bidi proposal next steps.
15:07:54 <aphillip> close ACTION-223
15:07:54 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-223 Follow up on status of encoding spec.
15:08:08 <aphillip> ACTION: addison: prepare encoding spec for FPWD
15:08:09 <trackbot> Created ACTION-226 - Prepare encoding spec for FPWD [on Addison Phillips - due 2013-05-23].
15:08:23 <aphillip> close ACTION-224
15:08:23 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-224 Ask for feedback on update techniques documents on the winter list.
15:08:35 <aphillip> close ACTION-225
15:08:35 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-225 Send addison pointer to respec instructions etc..
15:08:48 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
15:09:07 <aphillip> richard: published KLReq
15:09:13 <aphillip> (general applause)
15:09:24 <aphillip> richard: report for Rome ML workshop released
15:09:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:09:33 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/blog/International/2013/05/14/rome-multilingualweb-workshop-report-now-available/
15:10:19 <aphillip> agenda?
15:10:57 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 11
15:10:57 <Zakim> agendum 11. "Feedback on format of Bidi WG Note proposal" taken up [from aphillip]
15:11:16 <aphillip> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2013May/0026.html
15:12:10 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/docs/bp-html-bidi/
15:12:33 <aphillip> richard: had a few comments on this
15:12:36 <aphillip> ... some from Amir
15:13:24 <aphillip> richard: doc is so simple now could put in direct links
15:13:51 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/docs/bp-html-bidi/#ri20030218.135303232
15:20:47 <aphillip> matial: make icon clearer
15:20:55 <aphillip> ... and put note in start to say what it is
15:21:01 <aphillip> ... make larger and add color
15:21:10 <aphillip> richard: good idea
15:22:24 <aphillip> richard: wanted to discuss if I should forge ahead with language one also
15:22:30 <aphillip> ... and give same treatment
15:22:37 <aphillip> matial: good treatment
15:22:45 <aphillip> ... put the details offline and see via icon is good
15:23:25 <aphillip> richard: saw some good examples while I was doing this too!
15:23:38 <aphillip> agenda?
15:23:55 <aphillip> richard: will go ahead with language document too
15:24:10 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 12
15:24:10 <Zakim> agendum 12. "KLReq comments" taken up [from r12a]
15:24:24 <aphillip> richard: question is: should we track comments using tracker?
15:24:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:24:36 <aphillip> ... Korean authors are on CJK list
15:24:41 <aphillip> ... and then they'd do something about it
15:24:48 <aphillip> ... but they haven't responded very quickly
15:25:00 <aphillip> ... not sure if they are looking or will take action?
15:25:09 <aphillip> ... would it help if we had a list?
15:25:45 <aphillip> addison: would be helpful to be able to tick off the collected list
15:27:06 <aphillip> ... think they can see tracker??
15:27:40 <aphillip> richard: some private comments sent to me personally, have asked folks to put on public cjk list
15:28:12 <aharon> aharon has joined #i18n
15:28:24 <aphillip> action: richard: set up KLReq in tracker and start shepherding comments
15:28:24 <trackbot> Created ACTION-227 - Set up KLReq in tracker and start shepherding comments [on Richard Ishida - due 2013-05-23].
15:28:33 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:28:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:28:48 <aphillip> agenda?
15:29:02 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 8
15:29:02 <Zakim> agendum 8. "CharMod-Norm" taken up [from aphillip]
15:29:13 <aphillip> http://inter-locale.com/w3c/charmod-norm-1.1-draft.html
15:30:47 <Zakim> + +972.5.424.5aaaa
15:31:16 <aphillip> zakim, +972.5 is Aharon
15:31:16 <Zakim> +Aharon; got it
15:31:36 <aphillip> agenda?
15:31:55 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 9
15:31:55 <Zakim> agendum 9. "Bidi" taken up [from aphillip]
15:32:04 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:32:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:32:12 <aphillip> richard: had response from Robin for next steps
15:32:24 <aphillip> aharon: will work on tests
15:32:37 <aphillip> richard: when you do that...
15:33:05 <aphillip> ... was difficult to tell if tests worked
15:33:19 <aphillip> ... not in any particular order and many edge cases
15:33:36 <aphillip> ... and we have links from places like techniques
15:33:45 <aphillip> ... to "test your browser", for example
15:33:54 <aphillip> ... would be great if you could develop the tests in that way
15:33:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:34:15 <aphillip> aharon: existing tests such as dir=auto
15:34:25 <aphillip> ... some meet that--very simple and core demonstrations
15:34:39 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/tests/html-css/bidi-html5/results-bidi-html5#dirauto
15:34:42 <aphillip> ... not really an addition-to, but knowing which one is the basic demo
15:34:51 <aphillip> richard: link is the one on dir=auto
15:35:07 <aphillip> ... found some tests that I pulled up into "basic"
15:35:25 <aphillip> ... also found, in some cases, needed to "tease apart" some of the tests
15:35:39 <aphillip> ... because they appeared to do more than one thing
15:36:07 <aphillip> ... if remember correctly the original test, for example, did both isolation and ordering
15:36:16 <aphillip> ... but maybe should separate?
15:36:22 <aphillip> aharon: agree tests should test one thing
15:36:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:36:44 <aphillip> richard: need to ensure everything going in spec is ready and correct
15:36:53 <aphillip> ... check CSS is correct
15:37:00 <aphillip> ... and secton on Unicode controls
15:37:10 <aphillip> ... section is in 5.1 but not 5.0 yet
15:37:15 <aphillip> ... check that it's all correct
15:37:22 <aphillip> .. and then robin knows what to do in rendering section
15:37:31 <aphillip> ... get into 5.1 so he can pull it for 5.0 when implemented
15:37:37 <aphillip> richard: and we need implementers
15:37:41 <aphillip> ... want it in 5.0
15:37:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:38:52 <aphillip> richard: because in CR now, need implementations if we want in 5.0. definitely can get into 5.1
15:39:07 <aphillip> aharon: two parts
15:39:13 <aphillip> ... 1. the markup
15:39:18 <aphillip> ... 2. support for unicode chars
15:39:42 <aphillip> ... since new unicode chars won't be in 5.0 anyway; requires updating UBA in browsers
15:39:46 <aphillip> ... that takes time
15:40:08 <aphillip> ... but markup uses css and already works in WK, blink, and moz
15:40:18 <aphillip> ... moz has a few small problems
15:40:24 <aphillip> ... only solved by new UBA
15:40:55 <aphillip> addison: only need two
15:41:13 <aphillip> aharon: so if WK and blink could do it
15:41:21 <aphillip> richard: some discussion?
15:41:35 <aphillip> ... but that would maybe suffice in robin's opinion?
15:41:47 <aphillip> aharon: could push to make that happen if already in 5.1
15:41:58 <aphillip> richard: can add to 5.1 straight away
15:42:05 <aphillip> ... just need to talk to robin to get text right
15:42:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:42:25 <aphillip> richard: aim for 5.0 for markup
15:42:30 <aphillip> ... and add chars support in 5.1
15:42:51 <aphillip> aharon: action me for next week to go over and probably produce changes in text for 5.1
15:44:43 <aphillip> action: aharon: file bug on 5.1 and review text, pinging robin about how best to file
15:44:43 <trackbot> Created ACTION-228 - File bug on 5.1 and review text, pinging robin about how best to file [on Aharon Lanin - due 2013-05-23].
15:45:20 <aphillip> aharon: review text in private email with robin/richard and get on same page and then, if needed, file bug
15:45:31 <aphillip> richard: robin can advice if need to email HTML-WG
15:45:36 <aphillip> s/advice/advise/
15:45:48 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:45:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:46:35 <aphillip> agenda?
15:46:48 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
15:49:29 <Zakim> -aphillip
15:49:33 <Zakim> -Aharon
15:49:37 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
15:49:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:49:41 <Zakim> -matial
15:50:02 <aphillip> Present: Addison, Richard, Mati, Aharon
15:50:11 <aphillip> Regrets+ JcK
15:50:17 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
15:50:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:50:40 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
15:50:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see Richard
15:50:41 <Zakim> On IRC I see aharon, matial, RRSAgent, aphillip, r12a, fantasai, Zakim, trackbot
15:51:00 <aharon> aharon has left #i18n
15:51:18 <aphillip> zakim, drop richard
15:51:21 <Zakim> Richard is being disconnected
15:51:21 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has ended
15:51:21 <Zakim> Attendees were Richard, aphillip, matial, +972.5.424.5aaaa, Aharon
15:51:25 <aphillip> zakim, bye
15:51:25 <Zakim> Zakim has left #i18n
15:51:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:52:00 <aphillip> rrsagent, bye
15:52:00 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-i18n-actions.rdf :
15:52:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: prepare encoding spec for FPWD [1]
15:52:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-i18n-irc#T15-08-08
15:52:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: richard: set up KLReq in tracker and start shepherding comments [2]
15:52:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-i18n-irc#T15-28-24
15:52:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: aharon: file bug on 5.1 and review text, pinging robin about how best to file [3]
15:52:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-i18n-irc#T15-44-43