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Timed Text Working Group Teleconference

13 Sep 2012

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<trackbot> Date: 13 September 2012

chair sean hayes

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<trackbot> Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference

<trackbot> Date: 13 September 2012

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<trackbot> Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference

<trackbot> Date: 13 September 2012

chair sean

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plh: Profile published.

<plh> http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-ttml10-sdp-us-20120913/

<plh> http://www.w3.org/TR/ttml10-sdp-us/

Issues

sean: Discuss editorial items.

mmartin3: See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Sep/0019.html

Glenn responded to the editorial issues.

plh: No checked in.

sean: Do after published draft.

plh: Republish to integrate changes.

Section 6.6.2

sean: Can't have note; must be consistent with TTML 1.0.

Could add a note that is specific to TTML 1.0.

create action monica add note to section 6.6.2 to ttml 1.0 section to give guidance.

<plh> ACTION: monica add note to section 6.6.2 to ttml 1.0 section to give guidance. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/09/13-tt-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-97 - Add note to section 6.6.2 to ttml 1.0 section to give guidance. [on Monica Martin - due 2012-09-20].

: No more than four lines of text MUST be selected into a region at any given time.

No more than four lines of text MUST be selected into all active regions at any given time.

sean: Mimic CEA-608.

mike: Necessary to constrain?

sean: Currently infers you could have up to 16 lines.
... Constrain text delivery rate.

mike: Unnecessary. Can you be more specific to what is needed.

sean: Limit processing power.

mmartin3: Section 7.1.1

mike: Add "a total". Need at a given time?

sean: Can delete "at a given time."

<scribe> ACTION: Monica revise proposal Section 7.1.1 from: [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/09/13-tt-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-98 - Revise proposal Section 7.1.1 from: [on Monica Martin - due 2012-09-20].

No more than four lines of text MUST be selected into all active regions at any given time.

Change to: No more than a total of four lines of text MUST be selected into all active regions/

c//.

Section 8.1.2

Change from: Durations (dur) SHALL only be used on the span element.

Change to: Durations (dur) SHALL only be used on the span element for rollup style content.

Section 8.2.1

Conflict – The time-offset-with-frames feature requires #subFrameRate feature. We only use #frameRate and #frameRateMultiplier features. The time-offset-with-frames was mistakenly included to pertain to the hh:mm:ss:ff notation. This is not the case. The time-offset-with-frames pertains to the 100f notation.

mike: May need more attention to do cleanup to align TTML 1.0.

Check against second edition.

<mike> o rmaybe 3rd edition

Section 8.3

Note: Use of the #frameRateMultiplier is optional in the document (see Section 10).

Add this note.

Abstract

Change from: This interoperability profile is a proper subset of TTML 1.0 plus features required to support US Government closed captioning requirements for online presentation.

Change to: This interoperability profile is a proper subset of TTML 1.0 to support features required for US Government closed captioning requirements for online presentation.

mike: What about easy reader?

sean: What is the concern?
... Explains wording.

mike: Both are wrong.

Doesn't handle them all.

Need to soften text.

<scribe> ACTION: Monica To soften text in Abstract regarding USG requirements. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/09/13-tt-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-99 - Soften text in Abstract regarding USG requirements. [on Monica Martin - due 2012-09-20].

Updates to fontFamily weren’t reflected in A.1.

Change from: The casual, cursive and smallcap styles could be considered for addition to <genericFamilyName> expression in a future version of TTML.

Change to: The casual, cursive and smallCaps styles could be considered for TTML 1.1.

“Error handling behavior is found in Error Handling.”

add a link and this note.

Conformance section

Use smallCaps on all references.

Across the document.

Correct example numbering: Example 1 has no E000X. Example 2-4 have incorrect example numbers (i.e. Example 2 is E0001, Example 3 is E0002, etc.).

Issue: Background color and color have "named colors" but should be expressed in #rrggbbaa format only. Proposal: Implement change found here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Aug/0043.html. Proposed by Andrew Tai.

<trackbot> Created ISSUE-181 - Background color and color have "named colors" but should be expressed in #rrggbbaa format only. Proposal: Implement change found here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Aug/0043.html. Proposed by Andrew Tai. ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/181/edit .

Andreas not Andrew

Add Glenn as the editor.

<scribe> ACTION: Glenn implement changes requested with the actions identified for SDP-US FPWD. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/09/13-tt-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-100 - Implement changes requested with the actions identified for SDP-US FPWD. [on Glenn Adams - due 2012-09-20].

Liaison document

plh: Where did the request go?

mike: Sent to member list.

plh, sean: Didn't see it.

Went into moderation list.

<plh> From mdolan@newtbt.com Wed Sep 12 13:24:02 2012

<plh> Subject: [Moderator Action (size limit exceeded)] FW: SMPTE Liaison to W3C on

mike: Will resend the email.

sean: TTWG members only.

Discuss next week.

<Frans> very hard to follow

Action-82?

<trackbot> ACTION-82 -- Monica Martin to check on mapping of 708 7F -- due 2012-08-16 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/82

mmartin3: Add note that glyphs are player dependent.

<plh> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-archive/2012Sep/0213.html

<plh> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-archive/2012Sep/0214.html

mike: Will put the proper headers and send the email.

Back to Action-82.

Note: The glyphs used for specific fonts are player dependent.

<Frans> Have to go - as announced. Thank you. Intend to join next one again.

sean: Restates proposal.

mike: Has to be consistent with the Unicode.

sean: Exact appearance of the symbol.

<Sean> should reflect the semantics as stated in unicode, but the exact glyph is player dependant

<scribe> ACTION: Monica Revise proposal for Action-82 for the Note to reflect: Should reflect semantics suggested in Unicode but the actual symbol is player dependent. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/09/13-tt-minutes.html#action05]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-101 - Revise proposal for Action-82 for the Note to reflect: Should reflect semantics suggested in Unicode but the actual symbol is player dependent. [on Monica Martin - due 2012-09-20].

New member

Adobe, Michael Jordan

Special meeting Sept 21

sean: In addition to Sept 20 meeting

Close issues then.

mike: See comments I made.
... Happy to close Action-82 with updated text.

Close Action-82 with revised text.

<Michael> exit

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Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Glenn implement changes requested with the actions identified for SDP-US FPWD. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/09/13-tt-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: monica add note to section 6.6.2 to ttml 1.0 section to give guidance. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/09/13-tt-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Monica Revise proposal for Action-82 for the Note to reflect: Should reflect semantics suggested in Unicode but the actual symbol is player dependent. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/09/13-tt-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: Monica revise proposal Section 7.1.1 from: [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/09/13-tt-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Monica To soften text in Abstract regarding USG requirements. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/09/13-tt-minutes.html#action03]
 
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