IRC log of tt on 2012-09-13

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RRSAgent, make logs public

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Zakim, this will be TTML

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ok, trackbot; I see SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start now

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Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 13 September 2012

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chair sean hayes

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scribe mmartin3

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zakim, who is on the phone?

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SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM has not yet started, mmartin3

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On IRC I see RRSAgent, mike, Frans, Sean, mmartin3, trackbot

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trackbot, start meeting

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RRSAgent, make logs public

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Zakim, this will be TTML

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ok, trackbot; I see SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start 2 minutes ago

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Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 13 September 2012

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zakim, who is on the phone?

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SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM has not yet started, mmartin3

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On IRC I see RRSAgent, mike, Frans, Sean, mmartin3, trackbot

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trackbot-ng, start telcon

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RRSAgent, make logs public

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Zakim, this will be TTML

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Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 13 September 2012

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ok, trackbot; I see SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start 3 minutes ago

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chair sean

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scribe mmartin3

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zakim, who is on the phone?

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zakim, list attendees

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regrets+ none

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Topic:

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SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM has not yet started, mmartin3

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plh: Profile published.

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http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-ttml10-sdp-us-20120913/

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sorry, mmartin3, I don't know what conference this is

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http://www.w3.org/TR/ttml10-sdp-us/

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On IRC I see pal, plh, Zakim, RRSAgent, mike, Frans, Sean, mmartin3, trackbot

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/13-tt-minutes.html plh

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Topic: Issues

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sean: Discuss editorial items.

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mmartin3: See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Sep/0019.html

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Glenn responded to the editorial issues.

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plh: No checked in.

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sean: Do after published draft.

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plh: Republish to integrate changes.

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Section 6.6.2

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sean: Can't have note; must be consistent with TTML 1.0.

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Could add a note that is specific to TTML 1.0.

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create action monica add note to section 6.6.2 to ttml 1.0 section to give guidance.

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action: monica add note to section 6.6.2 to ttml 1.0 section to give guidance.

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Created ACTION-97 - Add note to section 6.6.2 to ttml 1.0 section to give guidance. [on Monica Martin - due 2012-09-20].

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: No more than four lines of text MUST be selected into a region at any given time.

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No more than four lines of text MUST be selected into all active regions at any given time.

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sean: Mimic CEA-608.

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mike: Necessary to constrain?

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sean: Currently infers you could have up to 16 lines.

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sean: Constrain text delivery rate.

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mike: Unnecessary. Can you be more specific to what is needed.

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sean: Limit processing power.

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mmartin3: Section 7.1.1

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mike: Add "a total". Need at a given time?

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sean: Can delete "at a given time."

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action: Monica revise proposal Section 7.1.1 from:

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Created ACTION-98 - Revise proposal Section 7.1.1 from: [on Monica Martin - due 2012-09-20].

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No more than four lines of text MUST be selected into all active regions at any given time.

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Change to: No more than a total of four lines of text MUST be selected into all active regions/

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c//.

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Section 8.1.2

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Change from: Durations (dur) SHALL only be used on the span element.

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Change to: Durations (dur) SHALL only be used on the span element for rollup style content.

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Section 8.2.1

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Conflict – The time-offset-with-frames feature requires #subFrameRate feature. We only use #frameRate and #frameRateMultiplier features. The time-offset-with-frames was mistakenly included to pertain to the hh:mm:ss:ff notation. This is not the case. The time-offset-with-frames pertains to the 100f notation.

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mike: May need more attention to do cleanup to align TTML 1.0.

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Check against second edition.

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o rmaybe 3rd edition

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Section 8.3

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Note: Use of the #frameRateMultiplier is optional in the document (see Section 10).

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Add this note.

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Abstract

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Change from: This interoperability profile is a proper subset of TTML 1.0 plus features required to support US Government closed captioning requirements for online presentation.

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Change to: This interoperability profile is a proper subset of TTML 1.0 to support features required for US Government closed captioning requirements for online presentation.

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mike: What about easy reader?

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sean: What is the concern?

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sean: Explains wording.

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mike: Both are wrong.

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Doesn't handle them all.

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Need to soften text.

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action: Monica To soften text in Abstract regarding USG requirements.

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Created ACTION-99 - Soften text in Abstract regarding USG requirements. [on Monica Martin - due 2012-09-20].

14:33:07 [mmartin3]

Updates to fontFamily weren’t reflected in A.1.

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Change from: The casual, cursive and smallcap styles could be considered for addition to <genericFamilyName> expression in a future version of TTML.

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Change to: The casual, cursive and smallCaps styles could be considered for TTML 1.1.

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“Error handling behavior is found in Error Handling.”

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add a link and this note.

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Conformance section

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Use smallCaps on all references.

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Across the document.

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Correct example numbering: Example 1 has no E000X. Example 2-4 have incorrect example numbers (i.e. Example 2 is E0001, Example 3 is E0002, etc.).

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Issue: Background color and color have "named colors" but should be expressed in #rrggbbaa format only. Proposal: Implement change found here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Aug/0043.html. Proposed by Andrew Tai.

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Created ISSUE-181 - Background color and color have "named colors" but should be expressed in #rrggbbaa format only. Proposal: Implement change found here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Aug/0043.html. Proposed by Andrew Tai. ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/181/edit .

14:36:29 [mmartin3]

Andreas not Andrew

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Add Glenn as the editor.

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Action: Glenn implement changes requested with the actions identified for SDP-US FPWD.

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Created ACTION-100 - Implement changes requested with the actions identified for SDP-US FPWD. [on Glenn Adams - due 2012-09-20].

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Topic: Liaison document

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plh: Where did the request go?

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mike: Sent to member list.

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plh, sean: Didn't see it.

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Went into moderation list.

14:41:21 [plh]

From mdolan@newtbt.com Wed Sep 12 13:24:02 2012

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Subject: [Moderator Action (size limit exceeded)] FW: SMPTE Liaison to W3C on

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mike: Will resend the email.

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sean: TTWG members only.

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Discuss next week.

14:43:49 [Frans]

very hard to follow

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Action-82?

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ACTION-82 -- Monica Martin to check on mapping of 708 7F -- due 2012-08-16 -- OPEN

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http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/82

14:45:17 [mmartin3]

mmartin3: Add note that glyphs are player dependent.

14:46:06 [plh]

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-archive/2012Sep/0213.html

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https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-archive/2012Sep/0214.html

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q+

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mike: Will put the proper headers and send the email.

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Back to Action-82.

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Note: The glyphs used for specific fonts are player dependent.

14:48:25 [Frans]

Have to go - as announced. Thank you. Intend to join next one again.

14:49:03 [mmartin3]

sean: Restates proposal.

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mike: Has to be consistent with the Unicode.

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sean: Exact appearance of the symbol.

14:51:25 [Sean]

should reflect the semantics as stated in unicode, but the exact glyph is player dependant

14:51:27 [mmartin3]

Action: Monica Revise proposal for Action-82 for the Note to reflect: Should reflect semantics suggested in Unicode but the actual symbol is player dependent.

14:51:27 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-101 - Revise proposal for Action-82 for the Note to reflect: Should reflect semantics suggested in Unicode but the actual symbol is player dependent. [on Monica Martin - due 2012-09-20].

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Topic: New member

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Adobe, Michael Jordan

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Topic: Special meeting Sept 21

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sean: In addition to Sept 20 meeting

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Close issues then.

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mike: See comments I made.

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mike: Happy to close Action-82 with updated text.

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Close Action-82 with revised text.

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zakim, list attendees

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sorry, mmartin3, I don't know what conference this is

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exit

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zakim, conference is #tt

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sorry, mmartin3, I do not recognize a party named 'conference'

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Michael has left #tt

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trackbot, end meeting

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Zakim, list attendees

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sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is

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RRSAgent, please draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/13-tt-minutes.html trackbot

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RRSAgent, bye

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I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/09/13-tt-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: monica add note to section 6.6.2 to ttml 1.0 section to give guidance. [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/09/13-tt-irc#T14-14-00

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ACTION: Monica revise proposal Section 7.1.1 from: [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/09/13-tt-irc#T14-23-22

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ACTION: Monica To soften text in Abstract regarding USG requirements. [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/09/13-tt-irc#T14-32-30

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ACTION: Glenn implement changes requested with the actions identified for SDP-US FPWD. [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/09/13-tt-irc#T14-38-03

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ACTION: Monica Revise proposal for Action-82 for the Note to reflect: Should reflect semantics suggested in Unicode but the actual symbol is player dependent. [5]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/09/13-tt-irc#T14-51-27