Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 29 November 2012

Seen
Agis Papantoniou, Bart van Leeuwen, Benedikt Kaempgen, Bernadette Hyland, Dave Reynolds, Deirdre Lee, Ghislain Atemezing, Gofran Shukair, James McKinney, Jindřich Mynarz, Joao Almeida, John Erickson, Makx Dekkers, Martín Álvarez, Michael Hausenblas, Richard Cyganiak, Sandro Hawke, Serafin Olcoz, Tina Gheen, Yigal Arens
Guests
Serafin Olcoz
Chair
Bernadette Hyland
Scribe
Bart van Leeuwen
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions

None.

Topics
14:59:55 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-gld-irc

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14:59:57 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world

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14:59:59 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be GLD

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14:59:59 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM already started

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15:00:00 <trackbot> Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference
15:00:00 <trackbot> Date: 29 November 2012
15:00:43 <Zakim> +Sandro

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15:00:53 <Zakim> + +33.4.93.00.aabb

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15:00:54 <Zakim> +??P32

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P32

15:01:05 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??p32 is me

Bart van Leeuwen: Zakim, ??p32 is me

<bart> guest: Serafin Olcoz
15:01:05 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it

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15:01:11 <Zakim> +MHausenblas

Zakim IRC Bot: +MHausenblas

15:01:30 <cygri> zakim, i'm with mhausenblas

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, i'm with mhausenblas

15:01:30 <Zakim> +cygri; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it

15:01:34 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

<bart> topic: Opening

1. Opening

15:01:35 <bhyland> Thanks to all of those who completed the Doodle poll already, see http://doodle.com/3w7wnzy45ehn7iqi

Bernadette Hyland: Thanks to all of those who completed the Doodle poll already, see http://doodle.com/3w7wnzy45ehn7iqi

15:01:40 <bhyland> for the next F2F

Bernadette Hyland: for the next F2F

15:01:49 <atemezin> Zakim, +33.4.93.00.aabb is me

Ghislain Atemezing: Zakim, +33.4.93.00.aabb is me

15:01:49 <Zakim> +atemezin; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +atemezin; got it

15:01:57 <Zakim> +??P39

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P39

15:02:06 <BartvanLeeuwen> scribenick: BartvanLeeuwen

(Scribe set to Bart van Leeuwen)

15:02:18 <james> who's on the call?

James McKinney: who's on the call?

15:02:20 <agipap> zakim, +??P39 is me

Agis Papantoniou: zakim, +??P39 is me

15:02:20 <Zakim> sorry, agipap, I do not recognize a party named '+??P39'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, agipap, I do not recognize a party named '+??P39'

15:02:23 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call?

Bernadette Hyland: zakim, who is on the call?

15:02:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see davidwood, ??P21, +3539149aaaa, Sandro, atemezin, BartvanLeeuwen, MHausenblas, [IPcaller], ??P39

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see davidwood, ??P21, +3539149aaaa, Sandro, atemezin, BartvanLeeuwen, MHausenblas, [IPcaller], ??P39

15:02:25 <Zakim> MHausenblas has cygri

Zakim IRC Bot: MHausenblas has cygri

15:02:30 <bhyland> zakim, davidwood is me

Bernadette Hyland: zakim, davidwood is me

15:02:30 <Zakim> +bhyland; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bhyland; got it

15:02:33 <Zakim> +??P36

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P36

15:02:56 <BenediktKaempgen> zakim, who is here?

Benedikt Kaempgen: zakim, who is here?

15:02:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see bhyland, ??P21, +3539149aaaa, Sandro, atemezin, BartvanLeeuwen, MHausenblas, [IPcaller], ??P39, ??P36

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bhyland, ??P21, +3539149aaaa, Sandro, atemezin, BartvanLeeuwen, MHausenblas, [IPcaller], ??P39, ??P36

15:02:56 <Zakim> MHausenblas has cygri

Zakim IRC Bot: MHausenblas has cygri

15:02:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see jpalmeida, james, BenediktKaempgen, agipap, jmynarz, DeirdreLee, Zakim, RRSAgent, DaveReynolds, mhausenblas, atemezin, makx, BartvanLeeuwen, bhyland, Olcoz, MacTed,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see jpalmeida, james, BenediktKaempgen, agipap, jmynarz, DeirdreLee, Zakim, RRSAgent, DaveReynolds, mhausenblas, atemezin, makx, BartvanLeeuwen, bhyland, Olcoz, MacTed,

15:02:58 <Zakim> ... cygri, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: ... cygri, trackbot, sandro

15:03:05 <bhyland> zakim, ??P21 is makx

Bernadette Hyland: zakim, ??P21 is makx

15:03:05 <Zakim> +makx; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +makx; got it

15:03:11 <agipap> zakim ??P39 is me

Agis Papantoniou: zakim ??P39 is me

15:03:21 <agipap> zakim, ??P39 is me

Agis Papantoniou: zakim, ??P39 is me

15:03:21 <Zakim> +agipap; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +agipap; got it

15:03:29 <BenediktKaempgen> zakim, ?P36 is BenediktKaempgen

Benedikt Kaempgen: zakim, ?P36 is BenediktKaempgen

15:03:29 <Zakim> sorry, BenediktKaempgen, I do not recognize a party named '?P36'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, BenediktKaempgen, I do not recognize a party named '?P36'

15:03:37 <BenediktKaempgen> zakim, ??P36 is BenediktKaempgen

Benedikt Kaempgen: zakim, ??P36 is BenediktKaempgen

15:03:37 <Zakim> +BenediktKaempgen; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +BenediktKaempgen; got it

15:03:40 <james> who's on the call?

James McKinney: who's on the call?

15:03:48 <cygri> zakim, who is here?

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who is here?

15:03:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see bhyland, makx, +3539149aaaa, Sandro, atemezin, BartvanLeeuwen, MHausenblas, [IPcaller], agipap, BenediktKaempgen

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bhyland, makx, +3539149aaaa, Sandro, atemezin, BartvanLeeuwen, MHausenblas, [IPcaller], agipap, BenediktKaempgen

15:03:50 <Zakim> MHausenblas has cygri

Zakim IRC Bot: MHausenblas has cygri

15:03:50 <Zakim> On IRC I see martinAlvarez, olyerickson1, jpalmeida, james, BenediktKaempgen, agipap, jmynarz, DeirdreLee, Zakim, RRSAgent, DaveReynolds, mhausenblas, atemezin, makx,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see martinAlvarez, olyerickson1, jpalmeida, james, BenediktKaempgen, agipap, jmynarz, DeirdreLee, Zakim, RRSAgent, DaveReynolds, mhausenblas, atemezin, makx,

15:03:50 <Zakim> ... BartvanLeeuwen, bhyland, Olcoz, MacTed, cygri, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: ... BartvanLeeuwen, bhyland, Olcoz, MacTed, cygri, trackbot, sandro

15:03:50 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.a]

15:04:08 <bhyland> topic: Review & approval of minutes http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-11-08

2. Review & approval of minutes http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-11-08

15:04:12 <BartvanLeeuwen> bhyland, do a quick minute review

bhyland, do a quick minute review

15:04:16 <cygri> zakim, who is noisy?

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who is noisy?

15:04:18 <bhyland> chair: bhyland
15:04:26 <bhyland> scribe: bartvanLeeuwen
15:04:27 <Zakim> cygri, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: bhyland (20%), atemezin (24%)

Zakim IRC Bot: cygri, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: bhyland (20%), atemezin (24%)

15:04:32 <BenediktKaempgen> zakim, mute me

Benedikt Kaempgen: zakim, mute me

15:04:32 <Zakim> BenediktKaempgen should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: BenediktKaempgen should now be muted

15:04:55 <Zakim> +??P42

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P42

15:05:14 <olyerickson1> Zakim, ??P42 is me.

John Erickson: Zakim, ??P42 is me.

15:05:14 <Zakim> +olyerickson1; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +olyerickson1; got it

15:05:16 <Zakim> +??P45

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P45

15:05:31 <Zakim> + +3539149aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +3539149aacc

15:05:39 <Zakim> +??P48

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P48

15:05:45 <martinAlvarez> zakim, ??p48 is me

Martín Álvarez: zakim, ??p48 is me

15:05:45 <Zakim> +martinAlvarez; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +martinAlvarez; got it

15:05:51 <jmynarz> Zakim, ??P45 is me.

Jindřich Mynarz: Zakim, ??P45 is me.

15:05:51 <Zakim> +jmynarz; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +jmynarz; got it

15:06:12 <Olcoz> Hi

Serafin Olcoz: Hi

15:06:17 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call?

Bernadette Hyland: zakim, who is on the call?

15:06:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see bhyland, makx, +3539149aaaa, Sandro, atemezin, BartvanLeeuwen, MHausenblas, james, agipap, BenediktKaempgen (muted), DaveReynolds, olyerickson1, jmynarz,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bhyland, makx, +3539149aaaa, Sandro, atemezin, BartvanLeeuwen, MHausenblas, james, agipap, BenediktKaempgen (muted), DaveReynolds, olyerickson1, jmynarz,

15:06:20 <Zakim> ... +3539149aacc, martinAlvarez

Zakim IRC Bot: ... +3539149aacc, martinAlvarez

15:06:20 <Zakim> MHausenblas has cygri

Zakim IRC Bot: MHausenblas has cygri

15:06:31 <Olcoz> I am trying to join you by phone but I can not yet

Serafin Olcoz: I am trying to join you by phone but I can not yet

15:06:35 <martinAlvarez> zakim, mute me

Martín Álvarez: zakim, mute me

15:06:35 <Zakim> martinAlvarez should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: martinAlvarez should now be muted

15:07:02 <Zakim> +[LC]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[LC]

15:07:06 <BartvanLeeuwen> bhyland: did we move ADMS into FPWD ?

Bernadette Hyland: did we move ADMS into FPWD ?

15:07:07 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-10-25

Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-10-25

15:07:11 <tinagheen> Zakim, [LC] is me

Tina Gheen: Zakim, [LC] is me

15:07:11 <Zakim> +tinagheen; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +tinagheen; got it

15:07:31 <cygri> my recollection matches sandro's

Richard Cyganiak: my recollection matches sandro's

15:07:47 <olyerickson1> +1 minutes

John Erickson: +1 minutes

15:07:48 <Zakim> + +34.68.867.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: + +34.68.867.aadd

15:07:49 <atemezin> +1

Ghislain Atemezing: +1

15:07:53 <BartvanLeeuwen> bhyland: DeirdreLee will track with Phila the ADMS Status

Bernadette Hyland: DeirdreLee will track with Phila the ADMS Status

15:07:55 <makx> +1

Makx Dekkers: +1

15:07:57 <agipap> +1

Agis Papantoniou: +1

15:07:57 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1

+1

15:07:58 <BenediktKaempgen> +1

Benedikt Kaempgen: +1

15:08:01 <Olcoz> Hi

Serafin Olcoz: Hi

15:08:02 <bhyland> approved

Bernadette Hyland: approved

15:08:07 <Olcoz> I already join you

Serafin Olcoz: I already join you

15:08:24 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

15:08:27 <Olcoz> Serafin Olcpoz

Serafin Olcoz: Serafin Olcpoz

15:08:29 <Olcoz> Olcoz

Serafin Olcoz: Olcoz

15:08:33 <jpalmeida> I am IPcaller

Joao Almeida: I am IPcaller

15:08:53 <cygri> zakim, [IPcaller] is jpalmeida

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, [IPcaller] is jpalmeida

15:08:53 <Zakim> +jpalmeida; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +jpalmeida; got it

15:09:23 <bhyland> Topic: recap of conferences that members attended ...

3. recap of conferences that members attended ...

15:09:50 <bhyland> ADMS presented by Gofran COLD workshop at ISWC 2012 (Boston)

Bernadette Hyland: ADMS presented by Gofran COLD workshop at ISWC 2012 (Boston)

15:09:57 <sandro> speakerphone noise....?

Sandro Hawke: speakerphone noise....?

15:10:00 <bhyland> zakim, who is speaking?

Bernadette Hyland: zakim, who is speaking?

15:10:11 <Zakim> bhyland: listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: bhyland (12%), makx (27%), Sandro (54%), atemezin (33%), +3539149aacc (13%)

Bernadette Hyland: listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: bhyland (12%), makx (27%), Sandro (54%), atemezin (33%), +3539149aacc (13%) [ Scribe Assist by Zakim IRC Bot ]

15:10:18 <atemezin> Zakim, mute me

Ghislain Atemezing: Zakim, mute me

15:10:18 <Zakim> atemezin should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: atemezin should now be muted

15:10:33 <bhyland> zakim, aacc is Gofran

Bernadette Hyland: zakim, aacc is Gofran

15:10:33 <Zakim> +Gofran; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Gofran; got it

15:10:33 <cygri> zakim, aacc is GofranShu

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, aacc is GofranShu

15:10:34 <Zakim> sorry, cygri, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, cygri, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc'

15:10:50 <BartvanLeeuwen> GofranShu: presented ADMS at COLD workshop during ISWC 2012 Boston

Gofran Shukair: presented ADMS at COLD workshop during ISWC 2012 Boston

15:11:03 <BartvanLeeuwen> GofranShu: talked about who is behind it

Gofran Shukair: talked about who is behind it

15:11:11 <BartvanLeeuwen> GofranShu: and the API she did for it

Gofran Shukair: and the API she did for it

15:11:51 <bhyland> q?

Bernadette Hyland: q?

15:11:52 <BartvanLeeuwen> bhyland: if you've been to conferences please share slides

Bernadette Hyland: if you've been to conferences please share slides

15:12:52 <BartvanLeeuwen> bhyland: majority of ISWC visitors european and asian

Bernadette Hyland: majority of ISWC visitors european and asian

15:13:02 <BartvanLeeuwen> bhyland: lot about linked data in poster sessions

Bernadette Hyland: lot about linked data in poster sessions

15:13:39 <BartvanLeeuwen> bhyland: industry track, 3 sessions in parallel with a lot of uptake

Bernadette Hyland: industry track, 3 sessions in parallel with a lot of uptake

15:14:30 <atemezin> Our group here won the Semantic Web Challenge with EventMedia Live..See the demo of our tool here: http://eventmedia.eurecom.fr/demo.html

Ghislain Atemezing: Our group here won the Semantic Web Challenge with EventMedia Live..See the demo of our tool here: http://eventmedia.eurecom.fr/demo.html

15:15:12 <bhyland> q?

Bernadette Hyland: q?

15:15:30 <BartvanLeeuwen> DeirdreLee: 2 open data events last week in Ireland

Deirdre Lee: 2 open data events last week in Ireland

15:15:51 <BartvanLeeuwen> DeirdreLee: 1) Data to drive innovation, by dublin open data portal

Deirdre Lee: 1) Data to drive innovation, by dublin open data portal

15:16:09 <bhyland> bhyland: ISWC2012 (Boston), the program is here http://iswc2012.semanticweb.org/program

Bernadette Hyland: ISWC2012 (Boston), the program is here http://iswc2012.semanticweb.org/program [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ]

15:16:18 <BartvanLeeuwen> DeirdreLee: first Irish opendata where central government talked about open data policy

Deirdre Lee: first Irish opendata where central government talked about open data policy

15:16:39 <BartvanLeeuwen> DeirdreLee: 2) Open data meetup, community event, mixed crowd

Deirdre Lee: 2) Open data meetup, community event, mixed crowd

15:16:59 <Zakim> +??P51

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P51

15:17:03 <Zakim> - +34.68.867.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: - +34.68.867.aadd

15:17:15 <DeirdreLee> http://data.fingal.ie/Blog/November2012/Name,36164,en.aspx

Deirdre Lee: http://data.fingal.ie/Blog/November2012/Name,36164,en.aspx

15:17:23 <atemezin> Also I presented my work on Geodata and the current movement in France to expose their data as RDF at Terra Cognita ..http://www.strabon.di.uoa.gr/terracognita/papers/terra12_submission_1.pdf

Ghislain Atemezing: Also I presented my work on Geodata and the current movement in France to expose their data as RDF at Terra Cognita ..http://www.strabon.di.uoa.gr/terracognita/papers/terra12_submission_1.pdf

15:17:33 <BartvanLeeuwen> topic: RegOrg

4. RegOrg

15:17:41 <bhyland> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/legal/index.html

Bernadette Hyland: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/legal/index.html

15:19:09 <BartvanLeeuwen> who is talking ?

who is talking ?

15:19:22 <sandro> bhyland, I thought I was talking about org process not regorg process.

Sandro Hawke: bhyland, I thought I was talking about org process not regorg process.

15:19:25 <bhyland> agipap whose first name is Agis

Bernadette Hyland: agipap whose first name is Agis

15:19:27 <sandro> it's agipap

Sandro Hawke: it's agipap

15:19:38 <BartvanLeeuwen> agipap: 3 dimensions on review

Agis Papantoniou: 3 dimensions on review

15:19:51 <BartvanLeeuwen> agipap: 1 ) Issue-41 , Issue-46 and Issue-47

Agis Papantoniou: 1 ) ISSUE-41 , ISSUE-46 and ISSUE-47

15:20:01 <atemezin> Issue 41: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/41

Ghislain Atemezing: ISSUE-41: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/41

15:20:06 <BartvanLeeuwen> agipap:  2) lengthy comments on the mailing list

Agis Papantoniou: 2) lengthy comments on the mailing list

15:20:09 <bhyland> [1] http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/41

Bernadette Hyland: [1] http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/41

15:20:09 <bhyland> [2] http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/46

Bernadette Hyland: [2] http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/46

15:20:09 <bhyland> [3] http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/47

Bernadette Hyland: [3] http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/47

15:20:30 <BenediktKaempgen> Agis Papantoniou

Benedikt Kaempgen: Agis Papantoniou

15:20:41 <BartvanLeeuwen> Issue-46

ISSUE-46

15:22:50 <sandro> issue-46?

Sandro Hawke: ISSUE-46?

15:22:50 <trackbot> ISSUE-46 -- Should GLD vocabularies define conceptual models too? -- raised

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-46 -- Should GLD vocabularies define conceptual models too? -- raised

15:22:50 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/46

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/46

15:23:03 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

15:23:16 <Yigal> zakim, IPcaller is me

Yigal Arens: zakim, IPcaller is me

15:23:16 <Zakim> +Yigal; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Yigal; got it

15:23:27 <bhyland> cygri: Concern is that the RegOrg is written as a conceptual model w/ UML diagram vs. as a RDF centric model

Richard Cyganiak: Concern is that the RegOrg is written as a conceptual model w/ UML diagram vs. as a RDF centric model [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ]

15:24:21 <bhyland> cygri … questions why this is the case since the wg's focus is RDF and the docs should reflect that ...

Bernadette Hyland: cygri … questions why this is the case since the wg's focus is RDF and the docs should reflect that ...

15:24:24 <BartvanLeeuwen> cygri: its not in our charter to do general model,

Richard Cyganiak: its not in our charter to do general model,

15:25:14 <BartvanLeeuwen> cygri: its now represented in a way it is hard for RDF people to figure out how to model

Richard Cyganiak: its now represented in a way it is hard for RDF people to figure out how to model

15:25:37 <bhyland> q?

Bernadette Hyland: q?

15:25:43 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+

q+

15:25:47 <DaveReynolds> q+

Dave Reynolds: q+

15:26:26 <cygri> BartvanLeeuwen: is RegOrg the new name for Registered Entity?

Bart van Leeuwen: is RegOrg the new name for Registered Entity? [ Scribe Assist by Richard Cyganiak ]

15:26:30 <cygri> bhyland: yes

Bernadette Hyland: yes [ Scribe Assist by Richard Cyganiak ]

15:27:06 <BartvanLeeuwen> http://opencorporates.com/companies/nl/34094172.rdf

http://opencorporates.com/companies/nl/34094172.rdf

15:27:07 <cygri> BartvanLeeuwen: this seemed clearer in the ISA documents (?) and i wonder why we were retreating back to a more general model

Bart van Leeuwen: this seemed clearer in the ISA documents (?) and i wonder why we were retreating back to a more general model [ Scribe Assist by Richard Cyganiak ]

15:28:51 <bhyland> Bart asked why ISA Programme Core Vocab (used by OpenCorporates), provided more RDF centric examples than this one … why is that?

Bernadette Hyland: Bart asked why ISA Programme Core Vocab (used by OpenCorporates), provided more RDF centric examples than this one … why is that?

15:29:29 <cygri> BartvanLeeuwen: ISA Core documentation has lots of documentation aimed at RDF. Now RegOrg seems to be a spin-off that's more generic. That confuses me

Bart van Leeuwen: ISA Core documentation has lots of documentation aimed at RDF. Now RegOrg seems to be a spin-off that's more generic. That confuses me [ Scribe Assist by Richard Cyganiak ]

15:29:33 <DaveReynolds> ack me

Dave Reynolds: ack me

15:29:33 <bhyland> The issue is that the current RegOrg doc is way to high level & leaves it as an exercise to the reader to go look up how to do it in RDF.

Bernadette Hyland: The issue is that the current RegOrg doc is way to high level & leaves it as an exercise to the reader to go look up how to do it in RDF.

15:29:40 <bhyland> ack BartvanLeeuwen

Bernadette Hyland: ack BartvanLeeuwen

15:29:41 <BartvanLeeuwen> ack me

ack me

15:30:20 <bhyland> DaveReynolds: The Legal Entity was renamed Registered Org.  This is the vocab that Chris Taggert started ...

Dave Reynolds: The Legal Entity was renamed Registered Org. This is the vocab that Chris Taggert started ... [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ]

15:30:43 <bhyland> There is agreement with cygri's point by several wg members ...

Bernadette Hyland: There is agreement with cygri's point by several wg members ...

15:31:04 <cygri> dave++

Richard Cyganiak: dave++

15:31:11 <bhyland> … concerns with current structure of the document

Bernadette Hyland: … concerns with current structure of the document

15:31:25 <bhyland> … notion of code in UML diagram is completely underspecified.

Bernadette Hyland: … notion of code in UML diagram is completely underspecified.

15:31:34 <olyerickson1> See http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/legal/index.html#the-conceptual-model

John Erickson: See http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/legal/index.html#the-conceptual-model

15:31:40 <bhyland> … hard to understand the document because it is purely from conceptual point of view.

Bernadette Hyland: … hard to understand the document because it is purely from conceptual point of view.

15:31:49 <bhyland> … Recommend that the RDF examples be put in first.

Bernadette Hyland: … Recommend that the RDF examples be put in first.

15:34:15 <bhyland> Agipap: Agrees conceptual model can go to appendix.  Appreciated the opportunity to discuss on this call.

Agis Papantoniou: Agrees conceptual model can go to appendix. Appreciated the opportunity to discuss on this call. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ]

15:34:51 <atemezin> zakim, who is speaking?

Ghislain Atemezing: zakim, who is speaking?

15:34:57 <jpalmeida> Ijpalmeida

Joao Almeida: Ijpalmeida

15:35:02 <Zakim> atemezin, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: bhyland (56%), jpalmeida (32%)

Zakim IRC Bot: atemezin, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: bhyland (56%), jpalmeida (32%)

15:35:03 <jpalmeida> João Paulo

Joao Almeida: João Paulo

15:35:11 <cygri> agipap, FWIW, i like having a UML model early in the document, but it should be a UML model that contains RDF classes and RDF properties. The current UML document is more high-level, and would be better in an appendix IMHO.

Richard Cyganiak: agipap, FWIW, i like having a UML model early in the document, but it should be a UML model that contains RDF classes and RDF properties. The current UML document is more high-level, and would be better in an appendix IMHO.

15:36:14 <cygri> jpalmeida++

Richard Cyganiak: jpalmeida++

15:36:26 <BartvanLeeuwen> jpalmeida: on the mailinglist there is ORG ontology a UML diagram, using the correct notation, why not use this method for the other vocabularies

Joao Almeida: on the mailinglist there is ORG ontology a UML diagram, using the correct notation, why not use this method for the other vocabularies

15:37:32 <DaveReynolds> Agreed. The issue is not the UML diagram as such it is that the conceptual model uses names which don't match the RDF terms and uses a notion of "types" whose mapping to RDF is not clear.

Dave Reynolds: Agreed. The issue is not the UML diagram as such it is that the conceptual model uses names which don't match the RDF terms and uses a notion of "types" whose mapping to RDF is not clear.

15:37:53 <jpalmeida> +1

Joao Almeida: +1

15:37:58 <BartvanLeeuwen> bhyland: agipap will take comments to the mailing list and update the document accordingly

Bernadette Hyland: agipap will take comments to the mailing list and update the document accordingly

15:38:03 <DaveReynolds> q+

Dave Reynolds: q+

15:38:44 <bhyland> ack DaveReynolds

Bernadette Hyland: ack DaveReynolds

15:39:26 <BartvanLeeuwen> DaveReynolds, we discuss the representation, not the vocabulary it self, so we could go to FPWD

DaveReynolds, we discuss the representation, not the vocabulary it self, so we could go to FPWD

15:39:26 <bhyland> DaveReynolds: We could vote today to take RegOrg to FPWD and acknowledge we're making edits.

Dave Reynolds: We could vote today to take RegOrg to FPWD and acknowledge we're making edits. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ]

15:39:27 <makx> +1

Makx Dekkers: +1

15:39:39 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1

+1

15:39:42 <bhyland> +1

Bernadette Hyland: +1

15:40:24 <sandro> +1 publish early publish often, with NOTEs about issues not yet addressed

Sandro Hawke: +1 publish early publish often, with NOTEs about issues not yet addressed

15:42:31 <BartvanLeeuwen> sandro, all the raised issues should be in the draft

sandro, all the raised issues should be in the draft

15:42:44 <bhyland> Sandro: Wants to ensure the issues are properly recorded in the ED, e.g.,  issue-41, issue-46, issue-47,

Sandro Hawke: Wants to ensure the issues are properly recorded in the ED, e.g., ISSUE-41, ISSUE-46, ISSUE-47, [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ]

15:42:52 <BartvanLeeuwen> sandro, so that readers can see the discussion around the issues

sandro, so that readers can see the discussion around the issues

15:42:53 <sandro> ... expressed in a way thats clear for novices

Sandro Hawke: ... expressed in a way thats clear for novices

15:44:12 <bhyland> … general process for publication is that Editor says the draft reflects the feedback & issues raised by the WG.

Bernadette Hyland: … general process for publication is that Editor says the draft reflects the feedback & issues raised by the WG.

15:44:57 <Zakim> -jpalmeida

Zakim IRC Bot: -jpalmeida

15:45:28 <cygri> q+

Richard Cyganiak: q+

15:45:33 <bhyland> q?

Bernadette Hyland: q?

15:46:28 <bhyland> Agipap will allocate time to update / edit the issues raised in the RegOrg vocab.

Bernadette Hyland: Agipap will allocate time to update / edit the issues raised in the RegOrg vocab.

15:46:30 <BartvanLeeuwen> agipap, we should wait with FPWD so that I can edit the document

agipap, we should wait with FPWD so that I can edit the document

15:46:57 <bhyland> q?

Bernadette Hyland: q?

15:47:10 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

15:47:24 <jpalmeida> [IPcaller] is jpalmeida

Joao Almeida: [IPcaller] is jpalmeida

15:47:31 <jpalmeida> yes

Joao Almeida: yes

15:47:35 <jpalmeida> sorry about that

Joao Almeida: sorry about that

15:48:35 <bhyland> Cygri: Wants to make explicit the group's desire to advance a document so that people not attending today's meeting appreciate our intention.

Richard Cyganiak: Wants to make explicit the group's desire to advance a document so that people not attending today's meeting appreciate our intention. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ]

15:48:54 <BartvanLeeuwen> cygri: if the wg wants to take a decision on advancing a document, we should put it on the agenda, so that people who can not make the call can react as well

Richard Cyganiak: if the wg wants to take a decision on advancing a document, we should put it on the agenda, so that people who can not make the call can react as well

15:48:55 <DaveReynolds> The agenda for this meeting did say "Registered Organization (RegOrg) to FPWD discussion" which is why I was assuming the proposal was to put it to a vote.

Dave Reynolds: The agenda for this meeting did say "Registered Organization (RegOrg) to FPWD discussion" which is why I was assuming the proposal was to put it to a vote.

15:49:06 <bhyland> q?

Bernadette Hyland: q?

15:49:10 <bhyland> ack cygri

Bernadette Hyland: ack cygri

15:49:37 <mhausenblas> +1 to what Richard said re making expectations explicit

Michael Hausenblas: +1 to what Richard said re making expectations explicit

15:49:59 <BartvanLeeuwen> Topic: Overview of W3C LC to CR Procedure

5. Overview of W3C LC to CR Procedure

15:50:17 <BartvanLeeuwen> http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#rec-advance

http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#rec-advance

15:51:31 <BartvanLeeuwen> bhyland: after a contact with DaveReynolds to advance ORG sandro jumped in that process needs a bit more time

Bernadette Hyland: after a contact with DaveReynolds to advance ORG Sandro outlined the steps & timeline that shows there isn't sufficient time to completed before getting ORG to Call for Implementations in the W3C Process Pipeline needs a bit more time

15:53:00 <bhyland> s/sandro jumped in that process/Sandro outlined the steps & timeline that shows there isn't sufficient time to completed before getting ORG to Call for Implementations in the W3C Process Pipeline
15:53:23 <bhyland> … before calendar year end (2012)

Bernadette Hyland: … before calendar year end (2012)

15:53:50 <bhyland> Sandro: We have to have two systems using this spec, is called "Call for Implementations", see http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#cfi

Sandro Hawke: We have to have two systems using this spec, is called "Call for Implementations", see http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#cfi [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ]

15:54:29 <bhyland> … for a vocab, this means two examples of systems using the vocab and systems using (consuming) the data with all the terms.

Bernadette Hyland: … for a vocab, this means two examples of systems using the vocab and systems using (consuming) the data with all the terms.

15:54:36 <bhyland> q?

Bernadette Hyland: q?

15:56:11 <bhyland> DaveReynolds: May be challenging to show use of all terms of a vocabulary. Of course, each term was motivated by use cases initially. We need to show interoperability of independent publisher(s) and consumer(s) ...

Dave Reynolds: May be challenging to show use of all terms of a vocabulary. Of course, each term was motivated by use cases initially. We need to show interoperability of independent publisher(s) and consumer(s) ... [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ]

15:56:34 <bhyland> … Keeping track of independent publishers & consumers may be tricky.

Bernadette Hyland: … Keeping track of independent publishers & consumers may be tricky.

15:56:54 <bhyland> q?

Bernadette Hyland: q?

15:57:56 <bhyland> … Going down tracking approach may require more overhead than it is worth.  IF we're successful tracking, and say we find no one is consuming some terms, what do we do? Remove the terms?

Bernadette Hyland: … Going down tracking approach may require more overhead than it is worth. IF we're successful tracking, and say we find no one is consuming some terms, what do we do? Remove the terms?

15:58:13 <bhyland> … sounds like too much overhead for value return

Bernadette Hyland: … sounds like too much overhead for value return

15:58:32 <bhyland> Sandro: Described how the process was handled for SKOS

Sandro Hawke: Described how the process was handled for SKOS [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ]

16:00:16 <bhyland> Sandro: W3C process is there to help us. As long we make a principled argument to modify it, we should be OK.  More importantly, if government publishers & consumers find it acceptable, that may trump W3C process.

Sandro Hawke: W3C process is there to help us. As long we make a principled argument to modify it, we should be OK. More importantly, if government publishers & consumers find it acceptable, that may trump W3C process. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ]

16:00:23 <bhyland> q?

Bernadette Hyland: q?

<bart> Topic: closing notes

6. closing notes

16:01:22 <BartvanLeeuwen> bhyland: please respond to the doodle pole: http://www.doodle.com/3w7wnzy45ehn7iqi

Bernadette Hyland: please respond to the doodle pole: http://www.doodle.com/3w7wnzy45ehn7iqi

16:01:26 <atemezin> Question What about the Google hangout next week?

Ghislain Atemezing: Question What about the Google hangout next week?

16:01:41 <bhyland> Please fill out the Doodle poll re: interest & availability to travel Dublin for the next & final GLD WG F2F. http://doodle.com/3w7wnzy45ehn7iqi

Bernadette Hyland: Please fill out the Doodle poll re: interest & availability to travel Dublin for the next & final GLD WG F2F. http://doodle.com/3w7wnzy45ehn7iqi

16:03:04 <bhyland> q?

Bernadette Hyland: q?

16:03:13 <olyerickson1> Thanks Bernadette!

John Erickson: Thanks Bernadette!

16:03:21 <Zakim> -Yigal

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16:03:25 <bhyland> Meeting adjourned.

Bernadette Hyland: Meeting adjourned.

16:03:28 <Zakim> -olyerickson1

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16:03:34 <DaveReynolds> bye all

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16:04:08 <BenediktKaempgen> bye

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