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<bblfish> ok I hope I got that started correctly
<bblfish> I think I should have done that differently
<bblfish> who wants to scribe?
<bblfish> it's here http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/Scribing.html
<laszlo> hi all
<bblfish> hi all
<bblfish> anyone want to scribe?
<reto> pchampin but I don't mind scribing
<bblfish> Scribe: reto
<pchampin> I can scribe
<pchampin> scribe: pchampin
<bblfish> Scribe: pchampin
<laszlo> has anyone dialed in using skype? i did last time, now it hungs up when I enter the conf code
<scor> laszlo: try again
<laszlo> ok
<bblfish> 1. Admin
<bblfish> Agreeing to last weeks report
<bblfish> http://www.w3.org/2011/02/07-webid-minutes.html
<scor> laszlo: I had to redial, not with skype though
<bblfish> ACTION: bblfish, to check whether SIP is possible without telefone connection [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/02/21-webid-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - bblfish,
<scor> ACTION bblfish to check whether SIP is possible without telefone connection
<trackbot> Created ACTION-13 - Check whether SIP is possible without telefone connection [on Henry Story - due 2011-02-28].
<scor> bblfish: worked
<scor> do not use the comma
<bblfish> +1
<domel> +1
jeff: I was both in present and regrets in the minutes
bblfish: I'll see if I can fix that; sorry about that
<bblfish> Any new members?
<bblfish> on the call to introduce themselves?
<bblfish> here: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/open
close action-3
<trackbot> ACTION-3 Look into mercurial and how mercurial and git interact closed
<bblfish> close action-7
<trackbot> ACTION-7 Create draft doc for use cases closed
close action-7
<trackbot> ACTION-7 Create draft doc for use cases closed
action-9: bblfish sent an email
<trackbot> ACTION-9 Explore test case options notes added
<laszlo> reto: trying zakim@voip.w3.org, I enter 93243, then it says it's not valid (sry for the noise)
<bblfish> close action-10
<trackbot> ACTION-10 Explain how to contribute to the WebID spec closed
action-10: explained in the hg repository
<trackbot> ACTION-10 Explain how to contribute to the WebID spec notes added
bblfish: about action-11, F2F
have been proposed, we should vote on that
... one option is in London
... anybody has a preference?
reto: suggest to add a comment to
each action when closing them
... to explain why/how they were closed
pchampin: +1
<scor> re action-3, I sent an email re interaction between hg and git
yngve: F2F may conflict with IETF meeting
could be a good idea to organize it just before or after
bblfish: would be a good idea, as
there are many security people at IETF
... we should take this into account
<bblfish> Should we aim for f2f in next 2 months?
<jeffsayre> Solar flare?
<jeffsayre> +1
<yngve> +1
<bblfish> +1
<scor> +1, though I won't be in Europe any time soon so can't personally attend
<AlexPassant> can you repeat the poll question ?
<bblfish> Should we aim for f2f in next 2 months?
<domel> +1
<AlexPassant> +1
<bblfish> Are people comeing to europe for IETF meeting?
<reto> not me
<yngve> +1
<jeffsayre> :(
<jeffsayre> done
action-3: scor sent an email re interaction between hg and git
<trackbot> ACTION-3 Look into mercurial and how mercurial and git interact notes added
<jeffsayre> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/wiki/Terminology
action-12: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/wiki/Terminology
<trackbot> ACTION-12 Start a wiki page detailing vocabulary of terminology for us to use in discussion notes added
close action-12
<trackbot> ACTION-12 Start a wiki page detailing vocabulary of terminology for us to use in discussion closed
<scor> bblfish: it is to list the implementations of WebID
bblfish: we have ~44 issues
now
... we need to prioritize them
... we can work out which ones are feasible now, which ones
need evolution of browsers...
<scor> find low hanging fruits issues
<reto> +q
reto: I would not just be looking
for easy things to do
... would rather work on the abstract architecture
... then compare it with existing technologies
<bblfish> Varieties of Reference: Gareth Evans
bblfish: we don't want to get too
abstract
... [reference to the notion of reference in
logic/philosophy]
<jeffsayre> +1
bblfish: we are focusing on the webby aspects of identity
reto: I'm not suggesting to make
things more complex
... on the contrary: on the mailing list, discussions are
sometimes very technical
... we can discus at a more abstract level
<peterw> chatting to the keyassure folks at RSA show, they indicate that little of the IETF work on embedded certs in DNS etc is expected to be market relevant for 2-3 years - even assuming the WG passes its process.
<jeffsayre> Primarily a WebID as a browser-based identifier...
bblfish: point well taken
<peterw> browser and web-proxy - being webby.
bblfish: we start abstract, we narrow it down by aiming at being webby and browser-based
<bblfish> agree with reto: need to work on issue 42 start with general idea and constraints to filter our debates
bblfish: who is working on test cases?
<scor> bblfish: same as ACTION maybe?
<bblfish> open issue-14
<bblfish> open issue 42
<bblfish> open issue-42
<scor> open ISSUE-42
bblfish: people wanting to alter
the spec can clone the hg or git
... then we can compare their versions to the original, and
merge it to the main branch
<bblfish> is it ok to add the sequence diagram to the spec?
<bblfish> or propose it?
<domel> +1
<scor> +1
bblfish: As an example, I'll add a UML sequence to the spec
<bblfish> ACTION bblfish add sequence diagram to spec via git
<trackbot> Created ACTION-14 - Add sequence diagram to spec via git [on Henry Story - due 2011-02-28].
<jeffsayre> +1
<laszlo> +1
<scor> +1
<bblfish> any questions? open time
bblfish: Perhaps we should invite people from the outside
jeffsayre: how many US participants to we have
<scor> we should do a geo poll
jeffsayre: (re the proposition to organize a later F2F there)
<scor> +1
<jeffsayre> +1
<AlexPassant> we could use TPAC
bblfish: people from the US, please write +1?
<scor> AlexPassant: I'm not sure many people will be traveling there?
jeff: Manu, Kingsley are also in the US
<AlexPassant> scor: wont it be easy for US members ?
<AlexPassant> 5-9 june
<AlexPassant> for semtech
<scor> June 5-9, 2011
<AlexPassant> I think you can still organise a f2f session for WebID at semtech
<peterw> rsa conference is oct, london. 1000 SSL types, lots from US travelling.
<bblfish> the http://www.internetidentityworkshop.com/
bblfish: the IIW (url above) is a very important event; we should also be part of that
<bblfish> ACTION bblfish to look into us joining Identity Commons
<trackbot> Created ACTION-16 - Look into us joining Identity Commons [on Henry Story - due 2011-02-28].
bblfish: not sure what I have to do at the W3C
<peterw> i floated webid (FOAF+SSL) last year at IIC, but w3c "not popular". Need to do some fence mending.
bblfish: as soon as we have a
running system
... we must see how it interoperates with other systems (OAuth,
OpenIdentity)
pchampin: I'm not a W3C
specialist
... but I'm not sure we as a group can be a member of a
consortium
... that would be the W3C itself
... but this can be a suggestion of our XG to the W3C
<domel> there are also Oct 2011 - ISWC2011 - Germany
yngve: we should plan F2F early in advance, so that people can arrange
<bblfish> any other issues?
<AlexPassant> do we have a slot for the next meeting ?
<jeffsayre> AlexPassant: Next WebID meeting? Every two weeks.
<jeffsayre> +1
<laszlo> +1
<bblfish> +1
+1
<domel> +1
<bheitman> +1
<AlexPassant> thanks jeffsayre - was not sure we agreed on the same day/time
<AlexPassant> +1
<claudio> +1
<osacco> +1
<jeffsayre> AlexPassant: Same bat channel, same bat time
<reto> +1
bblfish: any new implementation?
pchampin: python implementation on the way, but still needs some polishing
bblfish: clerezza implementation
coming soon
... Not sure what is happening with the federated social web
XG
<AlexPassant> no idea neither - no activity on the ML :-/
<reto> I'm confused, clerezza already has an implementation
alex: I'm part of that
group
... nothing really happening so far
bblfish: we could dynamize their group
claudio: we could ask them to provide us with use-cases
<reto> what happened
<bblfish> here http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories
bblfish: some use cases from the
Social Web XG could be copied to our wiki
... and we could see how to implement them with WebID
<reto> pchampin, it just droppedf me out, and now it said "the conference is restricted at this time"
<jeffsayre> Cross reference SocialWeb XG stories with WebID XG. There will be a handful of intersections that make sense to further develop
pchampin: +1
<jeffsayre> +1
bblfish: would that be an action?
<bblfish> +1
bblfish: and to whom?
<jeffsayre> I'll take it to start with...
action jeffsayre to cross reference SocialWeb XG stories with WebID XG
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - jeffsayre
<bblfish> ACTION jeffsayre to take a start at Cross reference SocialWeb XG stories with WebID XG. There will be a handful of intersections that make sense to further develop
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - jeffsayre
<bblfish> ACTION sayre to take a start at Cross reference SocialWeb XG stories with WebID XG. There will be a handful of intersections that make sense to further develop
<trackbot> Created ACTION-17 - Take a start at Cross reference SocialWeb XG stories with WebID XG. There will be a handful of intersections that make sense to further develop [on Jeff Sayre - due 2011-02-28].
<bblfish> shall we close the meeting?
<scor_> +1
<jeffsayre> =!
<domel> +1
<laszlo> +1
<jeffsayre> oops +1
<bheitman> +1
+1
<claudio> +1
<bblfish> hehe ok , thanks for coming. Talk to you in 2 weeks again.
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