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<trackbot> Date: 07 February 2011
<scor> Zakim: mute scor
<gaedke> Ok, will try another phone line
<bblfish> hi all
<scribe> scribenick: mhausenblas
PROPOSAL: Accept minute from last meeting http://www.w3.org/2011/01/25-webid-minutes.html
RESOLUTION: Accept minute from last meeting http://www.w3.org/2011/01/25-webid-minutes.html
bblfish: are people happy with the time slot?
<yngve> \me is OK with the slot
<webr3> for anyone who wants more info about processes etc, see http://www.w3.org/Guide/ (auth required, iirc)
Michael: bi-weekly is fine
<gaedke> bi-weekly fine with me
bblfish: Ok, then let's do it bi-weekly
<scor> I thin peterw wanted to remain muted
bblfish: I think there are still few Invited Experts pending
<bblfish> domel introduces himself
<bblfish> people who are not on that list but think they should be, let me know
<domel> University of Bialystok http://www.uwb.edu.pl/lang.php?lang=eng
<domel> homepage http://domel.bgul.org/
<domel> interested in triplestores, authorization, authentication, semi-structured data and RDF serializations
<domel> work on REST framework for access to document-triplestores
gburel: I'm Greg from Sheffied
<webr3> mhausenblas, ack re regrets+ - just thought you may want to do it in logs
<gburel> Gregoire burel, I am a Research Assistant ant the University of SHeffield
bblfish: we have quite some traffic on the list, hope it's not overwhelming for people
<gburel> ... Working on personnal intelligence in FP7 project WeKnowiT
bblfish: see deliverables at http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/wiki/Main_Page#Deliverables
<gburel> ... Developping a WebID implementation called AsterID
bblfish: we have three focused deliverables
<gburel> ... WEbiD interrests include authorization and delegation
bblfish: a Use Case deliverable, an implementation report and the final report
<gburel> http://pulsar.dcs.shef.ac.uk/asterid (the server down at the moment)
Michael: would be great if we have people who commit to writing/driving deliverables
bblfish: test cases are very
... we have to be careful what we can do in the XG in terms of available time
... related things include write-up about X500 history
<claudio> I am interested in contributing to Use Cases and Requirements doc
<webr3> I'm happy to drive use-cases
<webr3> (and contrib)
Michael: I'm also for the UC
<domel> i am also interested in use cases
<gburel> Same, UC :)
<csarven> I think we all want that ;)
<csarven> Which is good!
<webr3> ACTION Nathan to create draft doc for use cases
<trackbot> Created ACTION-7 - Create draft doc for use cases [on Nathan Rixham - due 2011-02-14].
bblfish: ok, great, UC seem to be
... anyone up for the test cases?
<scor> I'm volunteering for implementation
<gaedke> me too
<scor> and pestering people to keep that table up to date
<bblfish> ACTION: stephane create draft for Implementation report. space on wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/02/07-webid-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - stephane
<scor> bblfish: use scor
<bblfish> ACTION: scor create draft for Implementation report. space on wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/02/07-webid-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-8 - Create draft for Implementation report. space on wiki [on Stéphane Corlosquet - due 2011-02-14].
bblfish: well, we can start the TC and sync with the spec
<scor> for TC, wouldn't selenium work?
<webr3> selenium rc == integrationtests from client side
<scor> Web App testing system
<scor> though I think it's Firefox only
<bblfish> ACTION: bblfish to explore test case options [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/02/07-webid-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-9 - Explore test case options [on Henry Story - due 2011-02-14].
bblfish: there are many issues,
... anyone from Opera here?
... ATM I'm working into it, so can't really tell in detail
... but I think what we need is a spec with usability in mind
bblfish: yes, there must be a layer for the 'browser usability'
<bblfish> security context wg?
yngve: the closest thing I can think of is Web Security Context WG
Michael: notes the WG has been closed with last year
yngve: also, how much user interaction is required
bblfish: what we can do is put
some suggestions on the Wiki
... there are a couple of places (blog posts, etc.) where things are partially described
<webr3> yngve, do you feel we need a technical protocol spec /or/ an abstract protocol flow spec + options and ui considerations?
yngve: not yet time to look into it
<bblfish> issue http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/14
yngve: ok, will take a look at
... which other browser vendors have joined?
bblfish: for now, Opera - note that we're ATM rather Europe-centric, need to extend that
yngve: have contacts for Mozilla
(scribe didn't catch the names)
<domel> I also have contacts for Mozilla
yngve: there might also be some people from Apple interested, will let you know
<bblfish> acl gaedke
gaedke: regarding electronic IDs,
there is something going on in Germany
... also in other countries ongoing
<webr3> like the US too
bblfish: also a good read is Bruce Schneier re security
<bblfish> Schneier Bruce "Secrets and Lies"
<scor> bruce schneier
<scor> s/Bruce Sneier/Bruce Schneier
<gaedke> The new e ID deals with certificates and PKI
<webr3> wonders: prioritise issues, or vote for importance on them so we can discuss?
<scor> gaedke: I think it's worth bringing it up on the mailing list
<bblfish> xsparql transform for ontologies
bblfish: we might need some other ontologies
<scor> mhausenblas: too late :D
<gaedke> scor: ok, will try to summarize the current status about it
Michael: I'd suggest to use Neologism
bblfish: next meeting is in two
weeks time (21 Feb) - we continue discussion on the mailing
... work through issues
Michael: have to send regrets for next meeting in advance, sorry
bblfish: we have a git repo for the spec
<scor> not the only editor, Manu, Reto, Henry, Bruno has contributed a lot too!
Michael: and also please explain how it makes it into http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/spec/
scor: I think we want to keep the github repo?
<scor> ACTION: scor to explain how to contribute to the WebID spec [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/02/07-webid-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-10 - Explain how to contribute to the WebID spec [on Stéphane Corlosquet - due 2011-02-14].
<webr3> do we have hg on dev.?
<scor> webr3: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID
gaedke: what about a F2F meeting?
bblfish: yes, we should organise a F2F meeting
<scribe> ACTION: mhausenb to propose F2F meeting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/02/07-webid-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-11 - Propose F2F meeting [on Michael Hausenblas - due 2011-02-14].
jeffsayre: sorry for being late,
but one suggestion for now
... we should be more specific, not use AUTH - can be either authentication or authorisation
<scor> authn for authentication and authz for authorization
<scor> jeffsayre: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/wiki/Main_Page
<webr3> ACTION jeff to start a wiki page detailing vocabulary of terminology for us to use in discussion
<trackbot> Created ACTION-12 - Start a wiki page detailing vocabulary of terminology for us to use in discussion [on Jeff Sayre - due 2011-02-14].
jeffsayre: great, thanks, will write up on the Wiki
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