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<trackbot> Date: 28 January 2010
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<trackbot> Meeting: User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
<trackbot> Date: 28 January 2010
<scribe> Meeting: User Agent Teleconference for 28 January 2010
Date: Thursday, 28 January 2010
<scribe> scribe: Harper_Simon
<scribe> ScribeNick: sharper
Open Action Items: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/actions/open
Open Issues: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/issues/open
Current Editors Draft: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2010/ED-UAAG20-20100105/
Current Techniques Document: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2009/ED-IMPLEMENTING-UAAG20-20091106/
member: rrsagent, draft minutes
all: General Discussion
JA: Generally an AT thing
BE: Doesn't recognise if just Dublin Core
GL: Does UAAG 2.0 draft have
other self voicing aspects - if so then this would be OK
... not sure if we should
JA: 3.7 id one and also Provise
Speech Synth Config
... Also ways of speaking - would only apply if claiming self voicing conformance
<kford> /me testing.
<AllanJ> SH: what about kiosks, self -voicing, speech generated on the server
... oops: http://webanywhere.cs.washington.edu/wa.php
JA: do we have a need to speech synth configuration
GL: Are orgs working on web
browsing via telephone
... should we come back and review all these self voicing aspects?
... We should get input on this - at the next draft
... don't see any harm - but most wont care
JA: this is really the special case - Synth config is the only AT part we really address.
BE: Magnification is covered in the zoom facility
<kford> /me need to step out for one minute. I'd go for feedback.
<kford> /me I am back. sorry.
<jeanne> ACTION: jeanne to contact Voice Browser Working Group to see if they have covered our accessibility issues and if they have leads for our CR implementations [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/28-ua-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-267 - Contact Voice Browser Working Group to see if they have covered our accessibility issues and if they have leads for our CR implementations [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2010-02-04].
<Greg> We can ask W3C Voice Browser Working Group to help us identify the two example user agents we need to cite in order to include success criteria for such products.
<AllanJ> ACTION: jallan to craft request for input on synthesized speech inclusion in the document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/28-ua-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-268 - Craft request for input on synthesized speech inclusion in the document [on Jim Allan - due 2010-02-04].
All: General discussion of the technical feasibility and requirements of the requests contained within the email.
RESOLUTION: By ACTIONS 267 and 268 - wait to reply to Guillaume Olivrin until actions complete, and we know what 'Voice' is doing.
<AllanJ> "UAs should not pair a user-selected foreground or background text-color with an author-selected foreground or background text-color."
GL: Don't we have this already
JA: Revisits 3.6
3.6.1 Configure Text: The user can globally set the following characteristics of visually rendered text content, overriding any specified by the author or user agent defaults (Level A):
* (a) text scale (i.e., the general size of text) ,
* (b) font family, and
* (c) text color (i.e., foreground and background).
3.6.2 Preserve Distinctions: When rendered text is rescaled, distinctions in the size of rendered text are preserved (e.g., headers continue to be larger than body text). (Level A)
3.6.3 Option Range: The range of options for each text characteristic includes at least (Level A):
* (a) the range offered by global preference settings supported by the operating environment (i.e configured though the Control Panel or System) utility, or
* (b) if no such utility is available, the range supported by the conventional APIs of the operating environment for drawing text.
3.6.4 Maintain contrast: The user has the option to constrain the configuration of the default text foreground color, background color and highlighting colors, so that text contrast is maintained between them. (Level AAA)
JA: seems to be covered by 3.6.1
GL: Could be the 'too big a hammer' - they maybe suggesting that they don't want turn off the colours
JA: 3.6.1 reflects current
... I think we have this covered
GL: maybe make this an explicit example in the implementation guidelines
RESOLUTION: JS to send them email stating that we think that 3.6.1 reflects current practice, asking them to elaborate if required.
<jeanne> ACTION: JS to answer comment saying that we think section 3.6.1 covers the comment. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/28-ua-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-269 - Answer comment saying that we think section 3.6.1 covers the comment. [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2010-02-04].
JS: runs through changes she has identified.
<jeanne> Is the format of the new support document, Implementing UAAG 2.0, useful to browser, media player, and other user agent designers, developers and project managers; AT vendors; and policy makers? Is additional information required for it to be useful?
<jeanne> Is the language for the tests determining a user agent clear and understandable? Are the test conditions of a user agent complete?
<jeanne> Should the UAAG 2.0 include guidance for self-voicing user agents that provide their own audio interface?
JS: this last in relation to
Agenda Item 3
... running through items that may have changed and soliciting comments / issues from the group
<jeanne> ACTION: jeanne to create a diff document compared to the last WD (july) and send it to the list. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/28-ua-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-270 - Create a diff document compared to the last WD (july) and send it to the list. [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2010-02-04].
<jeanne> ACTION: jeanne to fix numbering in the implementing document. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/28-ua-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-271 - Fix numbering in the implementing document. [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2010-02-04].
RESOLUTION: Locking Down Jan 25th Draft - Create Changes Compared to this - move along based on ACTIONS 270 and 271
RESOLUTION: Postponed as both people who have issues have sent regrets for today.
topic Move to next Survey: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100127/results
<AllanJ> discussion of element for technology specific (xml, html) vs generic 'element' for interface items, flash tag, dom node, etc.
<AllanJ> SH: 'element' should be a generic term that applies to content (html, flash, etc.)
<AllanJ> SH: need a different term for elements in the user interface
JA: Anyone have a problem with element used to represent cross-tech structure
JA what will we call the things in the UA Interface
<jeanne> ACTION: JS to search document for consistency of use of "element" so that it only applies to the structure of the content and not the user interface. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/28-ua-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-272 - Search document for consistency of use of "element" so that it only applies to the structure of the content and not the user interface. [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2010-02-04].
BE: can we use the term component
to signify part of the interface
... Making this more explicit in the glossary
JA: looks good as we already use this
<jeanne> ACTION: jeanne to check document to change any use of "element" referring to the user interface, to change it to "component" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/28-ua-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-273 - Check document to change any use of "element" referring to the user interface, to change it to "component" [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2010-02-04].
GL: standardise element to always say 'in the rendered content' - as a qualifier
RESOLUTION: Via ACTIONS 272 and 273
GL: same is true of the disabled
... occurs as an alternative to enabled element
... Defn for this could be removed as well
SH: remove the term interactive and teh hyperlink
<AllanJ> enabled element, disabled element
<AllanJ> An element with associated behaviors that can be activated through the user interface or through an API. The set of elements that a user agent enables is generally derived from, but is not limited to, the set of elements defined by implemented markup languages. A disabled element is a potentially enabled element, that is not currently available for activation (e.g., a "grayed out" menu item).
RESOLUTION: Change to element - as interactive element is only used within the glossary - not the normative text.
<jeanne> ACTION: JS to update the definition of Enabled element and disabled element [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/28-ua-minutes.html#action08]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-274 - Update the definition of Enabled element and disabled element [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2010-02-04].
RESOLUTION: Leave until Next Week.
RESOLUTION: No Time for this Item - Bump to next Week.
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