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13:55:34 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, this will be sparql
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13:55:34 <Zakim> ok, AxelPolleres; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
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13:55:57 <AxelPolleres> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2011-03-22
13:56:03 <AxelPolleres> AxelPolleres has changed the topic to: agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2011-03-22 (AxelPolleres)
Axel Polleres: AxelPolleres has changed the topic to: agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2011-03-22 (AxelPolleres) ←
13:56:08 <AxelPolleres> chair: Axel Polleres
13:56:14 <AxelPolleres> regrets: Chime
13:59:16 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has now started
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13:59:16 <Zakim> +kasei
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13:59:24 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres
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13:59:51 <cbuilara> zakim, ??P5 is me
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13:59:51 <Zakim> +cbuilara; got it
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14:00:04 <AndyS> zakim, ??P15 is me
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14:00:06 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
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14:00:08 <NicoM> zakim, +49 is me
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14:00:10 <Zakim> +NicoM; got it
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14:00:34 <OlivierCorby> zakim, aabb is me
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14:00:44 <Zakim> +??P19
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14:00:47 <MattPerry> zakim, aacc is me
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14:01:02 <SteveH_> Zakim, ??P19 is me
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14:01:06 <Zakim> +SteveH_; got it
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14:02:11 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
14:02:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see kasei, AxelPolleres, cbuilara, AndyS, NicoM, OlivierCorby, MattPerry, SteveH_
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see kasei, AxelPolleres, cbuilara, AndyS, NicoM, OlivierCorby, MattPerry, SteveH_ ←
14:02:36 <AndyS> I'll scribe
Andy Seaborne: I'll scribe ←
14:02:43 <AndyS> ScribeNick: AndyS
(Scribe set to Andy Seaborne)
14:02:48 <AxelPolleres> topic: Admin
14:02:50 <AndyS> Scribe: Andy Seaborne
14:03:00 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-03-15
PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-03-15 ←
14:03:16 <AndyS> seconded
seconded ←
14:03:26 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-03-15
RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-03-15 ←
14:03:55 <Zakim> -SteveH_
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14:04:15 <AxelPolleres> next week back to normal?
Axel Polleres: next week back to normal? ←
14:04:23 <AndyS> Next meeting : Europe on summer time. Meeting 15:00 UK.
Next meeting : Europe on summer time. Meeting 15:00 UK. ←
14:04:26 <AxelPolleres> Next regular meeting: 2011-03-29 @ 15:00 UK� / 10:00 EST (scribe: Birte)
Axel Polleres: Next regular meeting: 2011-03-29 @ 15:00 UK� / 10:00 EST (scribe: Birte) ←
14:04:43 <Zakim> +LeeF
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14:04:57 <AndyS> ScribeNick: LeeF
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14:05:15 <AndyS> Scribe: Lee Feigenbaum
14:05:17 <LeeF> topic: Comments
14:05:20 <AxelPolleres> topic: Comments
14:05:24 <Zakim> +??P25
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14:05:34 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments ←
14:05:35 <SteveH> Zakim, ??P25 is me
Steve Harris: Zakim, ??P25 is me ←
14:05:35 <Zakim> +SteveH; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveH; got it ←
14:05:46 <AndyS> I have some drafts ready-to-be-approved.
Andy Seaborne: I have some drafts ready-to-be-approved. ←
14:05:55 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: unassigned comments
Axel Polleres: unassigned comments ←
14:06:01 <LeeF> ...one old one from Jeremy Carrol
...one old one from Jeremy Carrol ←
14:06:30 <LeeF> ...new comment on federation extension
...new comment on federation extension ←
14:06:46 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Carlos to dradft an answer for comment WG-1
ACTION: Carlos to dradft an answer for comment WG-1 ←
14:06:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-413 - Dradft an answer for comment WG-1 [on Carlos Buil Aranda - due 2011-03-29].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-413 - Dradft an answer for comment WG-1 [on Carlos Buil Aranda - due 2011-03-29]. ←
14:06:53 <Zakim> +pgearon
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14:07:07 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: one comment by Kjetil is being superceded by other mails from Kjetil
Axel Polleres: one comment by Kjetil is being superceded by other mails from Kjetil ←
14:07:25 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: there are some draft responses on the mailing list, please send comments / +1s on those draft responses
Axel Polleres: there are some draft responses on the mailing list, please send comments / +1s on those draft responses ←
14:07:28 <AndyS> Andy's outstanding responses: JB-5 (zero responses so far), and SC-1 (has one yes from Axel)
Andy Seaborne: Andy's outstanding responses: JB-5 (zero responses so far), and SC-1 (has one yes from Axel) ←
14:07:48 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: re: Gregg Reynolds's comment, Lee says that offlist communication indicates that Gregg does not expect a response from this WG
Axel Polleres: re: Gregg Reynolds's comment, Lee says that offlist communication indicates that Gregg does not expect a response from this WG ←
14:09:12 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: should we reconsider the naming of the dataset protocol document again? alternative would be "graph store protocol"
Axel Polleres: should we reconsider the naming of the dataset protocol document again? alternative would be "graph store protocol" ←
14:09:23 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:KK-12
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:KK-12 ←
14:09:47 <LeeF> AndyS: where is the vote from last time so we can see where things stood?
Andy Seaborne: where is the vote from last time so we can see where things stood? ←
14:10:03 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-01-25
Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-01-25 ←
14:10:13 <AxelPolleres> some people replied that we might change the name to "SPARQL 1.1 Graph Store HTTP Protocol
Axel Polleres: some people replied that we might change the name to "SPARQL 1.1 Graph Store HTTP Protocol ←
14:10:47 <LeeF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011JanMar/0088.html was the list of choices
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011JanMar/0088.html was the list of choices ←
14:11:34 <LeeF> AndyS: RDF WG is likely to draw a distinction between the graph and the container for the graph
Andy Seaborne: RDF WG is likely to draw a distinction between the graph and the container for the graph ←
14:11:41 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: I don't think we should adopt their terminology at this point
Axel Polleres: I don't think we should adopt their terminology at this point ←
14:11:52 <LeeF> AndyS: Right, don't know where the terminology will end up, but let's get the framework right
Andy Seaborne: Right, don't know where the terminology will end up, but let's get the framework right ←
14:12:44 <LeeF> LeeF: I'll email the WG list floating the possibility of renaming the dataset protocol yet again
Lee Feigenbaum: I'll email the WG list floating the possibility of renaming the dataset protocol yet again ←
14:12:57 <LeeF> SteveH: users don't notice the distinction between mutable and non-mutable concepts
Steve Harris: users don't notice the distinction between mutable and non-mutable concepts ←
14:13:57 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
14:14:10 <AxelPolleres> topic: to last call
14:14:17 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/To_Last_Call
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/To_Last_Call ←
14:14:27 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: query status?
Axel Polleres: query status? ←
14:14:54 <LeeF> AndyS: I processed Birte and Axel's reviews that pertain to my sections; I'm up to date
Andy Seaborne: I processed Birte and Axel's reviews that pertain to my sections; I'm up to date ←
14:15:05 <LeeF> SteveH: One note in the document that I need to talk to Andy about.
Steve Harris: One note in the document that I need to talk to Andy about. ←
14:15:41 <Zakim> + +34.92.38.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +34.92.38.aadd ←
14:15:41 <LeeF> ... one piece of algebra that is wrong per Birte and haven't yet been able to figure out what is right
... one piece of algebra that is wrong per Birte and haven't yet been able to figure out what is right ←
14:16:44 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: I also identified a few issues with the aggregate details
Axel Polleres: I also identified a few issues with the aggregate details ←
14:16:49 <LeeF> SteveH: Haven't yet gotten to those comments
Steve Harris: Haven't yet gotten to those comments ←
14:16:52 <ericP> you folks don't [plan to] have a 1.1 test harness which does graph bnode isomorphism for the tester, do you?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: you folks don't [plan to] have a 1.1 test harness which does graph bnode isomorphism for the tester, do you? ←
14:16:55 <ericP> (i ask 'cause RDB2RDF group contemplating such a harness 'cause their implementations don't require isomorphism equivalence other than for testing)
Eric Prud'hommeaux: (i ask 'cause RDB2RDF group contemplating such a harness 'cause their implementations don't require isomorphism equivalence other than for testing) ←
14:17:05 <LeeF> ericP, no plans for that right now
ericP, no plans for that right now ←
14:17:08 <ericP> tx
Eric Prud'hommeaux: tx ←
14:17:09 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: Lee still has open review
Axel Polleres: Lee still has pending review ←
14:17:15 <LeeF> s/open/pending
14:17:24 <AndyS> SPARQL 1.0 does?
Andy Seaborne: SPARQL 1.0 does? ←
14:17:50 <LeeF> SteveH: Not likely to be completed this month.
Steve Harris: Not likely to be completed this month. ←
14:18:15 <LeeF> AndyS: there are still pending reviews from Lee and a bit from Axel
Andy Seaborne: there are still pending reviews from Lee and a bit from Axel ←
14:18:32 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: mine is OK as is if I don't get to anything else
Axel Polleres: mine is OK as is if I don't get to anything else ←
14:19:42 <LeeF> LeeF: I'll punt on my review rather than hold back the schedule. My review is more likely to focus on editorial clarity and consistency then on the algebra details.
Lee Feigenbaum: I'll punt on my review rather than hold back the schedule. My review is more likely to focus on editorial clarity and consistency then on the algebra details. ←
14:19:48 <AxelPolleres> Steve: should be ready by April 8
Steve Harris: should be ready by April 8 [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
14:19:52 <LeeF> AndyS: Offer to help SteveH with algebra changes
Andy Seaborne: Offer to help SteveH with algebra changes ←
14:20:06 <LeeF> SteveH: Thanks, quite possibly helpful.
Steve Harris: Thanks, quite possibly helpful. ←
14:20:35 <LeeF> SteveH: Could use help looking at Birte's suggested algebra changes for grouping, hard to figure out precise details
Steve Harris: Could use help looking at Birte's suggested algebra changes for grouping, hard to figure out precise details ←
14:20:40 <LeeF> (agreement to take conversation offline)
(agreement to take conversation offline) ←
14:20:42 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
14:20:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see kasei, AxelPolleres, cbuilara, AndyS, NicoM, OlivierCorby, MattPerry, LeeF, SteveH, pgearon, Sandro, +34.92.38.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see kasei, AxelPolleres, cbuilara, AndyS, NicoM, OlivierCorby, MattPerry, LeeF, SteveH, pgearon, Sandro, +34.92.38.aadd ←
14:20:46 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: update status?
Axel Polleres: update status? ←
14:21:11 <SteveH> AxelPolleres, yes, I've not read your review yet
Steve Harris: AxelPolleres, yes, I've not read your review yet ←
14:21:14 <LeeF> pgearon: will spend some time this week
Paul Gearon: will spend some time this week ←
14:21:31 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: Alex says we'll have update on formal semantics
Axel Polleres: Alex says we'll have update on formal semantics ←
14:22:10 <LeeF> AndyS: there are some yet-unaddressed comments from an earlier review from last August - we need to make sure those aren't lost
Andy Seaborne: there are some yet-unaddressed comments from an earlier review from last August - we need to make sure those aren't lost ←
14:22:19 <LeeF> pgearon: i can look through that list this afternoon
Paul Gearon: i can look through that list this afternoon ←
14:22:35 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: paul to check (andy's) old comments on update
ACTION: paul to check (andy's) old comments on update ←
14:22:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-414 - Check (andy's) old comments on update [on Paul Gearon - due 2011-03-29].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-414 - Check (andy's) old comments on update [on Paul Gearon - due 2011-03-29]. ←
14:22:55 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to check back with Alex on update formal semantics
ACTION: Axel to check back with Alex on update formal semantics ←
14:22:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-415 - Check back with Alex on update formal semantics [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-03-29].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-415 - Check back with Alex on update formal semantics [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-03-29]. ←
14:23:39 <AxelPolleres> moduylo formal semantics issue, should be ready for LC by first week of April
Axel Polleres: moduylo formal semantics issue, should be ready for LC by first week of April ←
14:23:55 <LeeF> AndyS: other review?
Andy Seaborne: other review? ←
14:24:01 <LeeF> kasei: Haven't had a chance to start it yet
Gregory Williams: Haven't had a chance to start it yet ←
14:24:19 <LeeF> ... ping me when I should start?
... ping me when I should start? ←
14:24:36 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: axel to ping greg for review as soon as Update formal semantics is ready
ACTION: axel to ping greg for review as soon as Update formal semantics is ready ←
14:24:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-416 - Ping greg for review as soon as Update formal semantics is ready [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-03-29].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-416 - Ping greg for review as soon as Update formal semantics is ready [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-03-29]. ←
14:24:48 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: protocol?
Axel Polleres: protocol? ←
14:25:21 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/protocol-1.1/Overview2.xml
http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/protocol-1.1/Overview2.xml ←
14:26:25 <AxelPolleres> LeeF: section 2.1 has some updates, would be good to have feedback
Lee Feigenbaum: section 2.1 has some updates, would be good to have feedback [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
14:27:53 <AxelPolleres> so, maybe if specifically the reviewers at least could have a look, comments welcome from everybody.
Axel Polleres: so, maybe if specifically the reviewers at least could have a look, comments welcome from everybody. ←
14:28:03 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: service description?
Axel Polleres: service description? ←
14:28:19 <LeeF> kasei: held up on editorial issues
Gregory Williams: held up on editorial issues ←
14:28:24 <LeeF> ... 1 is based on protocol document
... 1 is based on protocol document ←
14:28:36 <LeeF> ... other is on empty graph issue, waiting on ACTION-406 for Lee to provide some text
... other is on empty graph issue, waiting on ACTION-406 for Lee to provide some text ←
14:28:42 <LeeF> ... minor changes, nothing substantive
... minor changes, nothing substantive ←
14:28:53 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: on protocol document - schedule?
Axel Polleres: on protocol document - schedule? ←
14:29:26 <AxelPolleres> protocol schedule schedule not entirely clear
Axel Polleres: protocol schedule schedule not entirely clear ←
14:29:35 <Zakim> + +44.186.528.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.186.528.aaee ←
14:29:39 <AxelPolleres> service description essentially ready for LC
Axel Polleres: service description essentially ready for LC ←
14:29:48 <LeeF> kasei: for protocol dependencies I just need stable links into the document
Gregory Williams: for protocol dependencies I just need stable links into the document ←
14:29:51 <bglimm> Zakim, +44.186.528.aaee is me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, +44.186.528.aaee is me ←
14:29:51 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bglimm; got it ←
14:29:56 <LeeF> kasei: ready for LC very very soon then, I hope
Gregory Williams: ready for LC very very soon then, I hope ←
14:30:03 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: dataset protocol?
Axel Polleres: dataset protocol? ←
14:30:29 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: there are some comments pending
Axel Polleres: there are some comments pending ←
14:31:44 <AxelPolleres> I made some attempt to summarise our position in the draft response to KK-12 ...
Axel Polleres: I made some attempt to summarise our position in the draft response to KK-12 ... ←
14:31:45 <AndyS> I think bullet one is done.
Andy Seaborne: I think bullet one is done. ←
14:32:04 <AxelPolleres> ... maybe the name change is an issue.
Axel Polleres: ... maybe the name change is an issue. ←
14:32:25 <AndyS> ... and bullet 2 is a change in fundamentals (?)
Andy Seaborne: ... and bullet 2 is a change in fundamentals (?) ←
14:32:30 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: entailment, main problem is still waiting for a review
Axel Polleres: entailment, main problem is still waiting for a review ←
14:32:38 <LeeF> bglimm: yes, and i might need to add something about property paths
Birte Glimm: yes, and i might need to add something about property paths ←
14:32:45 <LeeF> ... because they are different from BGP matching
... because they are different from BGP matching ←
14:33:00 <LeeF> ... and entailment is not defined for paths that can't be reduced to normal BGPs
... and entailment is not defined for paths that can't be reduced to normal BGPs ←
14:33:07 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: can we add that to wiki page?
Axel Polleres: can we add that to wiki page? ←
14:33:09 <LeeF> bglimm: yes
Birte Glimm: yes ←
14:34:35 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: can we move ahead without other reviews?
Axel Polleres: can we move ahead without other reviews? ←
14:34:39 <LeeF> LeeF: no process requirement otherwise
Lee Feigenbaum: no process requirement otherwise ←
14:34:46 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: if we have no more internal reviews, I'd be OK to go ahead
Axel Polleres: if we have no more internal reviews, I'd be OK to go ahead ←
14:34:51 <LeeF> (silence, other than typing)
(silence, other than typing) ←
14:35:19 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Birte to add aa paragraph in entailment on property paths
ACTION: Birte to add aa paragraph in entailment on property paths ←
14:35:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-417 - Add aa paragraph in entailment on property paths [on Birte Glimm - due 2011-03-29].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-417 - Add aa paragraph in entailment on property paths [on Birte Glimm - due 2011-03-29]. ←
14:35:32 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to review proprtey paths paragraph in Entailment
ACTION: Axel to review proprtey paths paragraph in Entailment ←
14:35:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-418 - Review proprtey paths paragraph in Entailment [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-03-29].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-418 - Review proprtey paths paragraph in Entailment [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-03-29]. ←
14:35:41 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: federated query status?
Axel Polleres: federated query status? ←
14:35:58 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: re: entailment, there is still pending discussion of d-entailment and canonicalization
Axel Polleres: re: entailment, there is still pending discussion of d-entailment and canonicalization ←
14:36:06 <LeeF> ... let simmer for a week and see if we get more clarification
... let simmer for a week and see if we get more clarification ←
14:36:08 <LeeF> ... no traffic
... no traffic ←
14:36:21 <LeeF> ... we said if we don't get clarification then we might just drop it
... we said if we don't get clarification then we might just drop it ←
14:36:32 <LeeF> bglimm: not sure we accomplish anything by waiting another week
Birte Glimm: not sure we accomplish anything by waiting another week ←
14:37:03 <LeeF> bglimm: either remove it or strengthen it to define a minimum set of datatypes that need to be supported
Birte Glimm: either remove it or strengthen it to define a minimum set of datatypes that need to be supported ←
14:37:09 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: straw poll!
Axel Polleres: straw poll! ←
14:37:25 <LeeF> bglimm: could be an option to leave as is, but seems to be agreement that it's not useful in its current form
Birte Glimm: could be an option to leave as is, but seems to be agreement that it's not useful in its current form ←
14:37:43 <AxelPolleres> Strawpoll: +1 change D-entailment towards canonicalization -1 drop D-entailment
STRAWPOLL: +1 change D-entailment towards canonicalization -1 drop D-entailment ←
14:37:51 <SteveH> 0
Steve Harris: 0 ←
14:37:52 <AndyS> +1 canonicalize
Andy Seaborne: +1 canonicalize ←
14:37:56 <cbuilara> 0
14:37:56 <MattPerry> +1
Matthew Perry: +1 ←
14:37:56 <bglimm> 0
Birte Glimm: 0 ←
14:37:57 <kasei> 0.5
Gregory Williams: 0.5 ←
14:37:57 <pgearon> +1
Paul Gearon: +1 ←
14:37:58 <NicoM> 0
Nico Michaelis: 0 ←
14:37:58 <LeeF> -1 (haven't heard of any systems that actually do SPARQL + D-entailment)
-1 (haven't heard of any systems that actually do SPARQL + D-entailment) ←
14:38:08 <AxelPolleres> 0
Axel Polleres: 0 ←
14:38:45 <LeeF> bglimm: I would need help defining what data types must be supported
Birte Glimm: I would need help defining what data types must be supported ←
14:38:47 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
14:38:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see kasei, AxelPolleres, cbuilara, AndyS, NicoM, OlivierCorby, MattPerry, LeeF, SteveH, pgearon, Sandro, +34.92.38.aadd, bglimm
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see kasei, AxelPolleres, cbuilara, AndyS, NicoM, OlivierCorby, MattPerry, LeeF, SteveH, pgearon, Sandro, +34.92.38.aadd, bglimm ←
14:39:02 <LeeF> q+ to ask about canonicalization
q+ to ask about canonicalization ←
14:39:07 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: Matt, could you help?
Axel Polleres: Matt, could you help? ←
14:39:10 <LeeF> MattPerry: sure
Matthew Perry: sure ←
14:40:27 <LeeF> LeeF: I don't think canonicalization (of data being input to a store) is at issue here. This is about stores that do NOT canonicalize data on the way in but enforce D-entailment rules at query time, and we don't know of any systems that do that
Lee Feigenbaum: I don't think canonicalization (of data being input to a store) is at issue here. This is about stores that do NOT canonicalize data on the way in but enforce D-entailment rules at query time, and we don't know of any systems that do that ←
14:41:04 <AndyS> +1 - suggest it is on input; and for datatypes, suggest coverage - not MUST
Andy Seaborne: +1 - suggest it is on input; and for datatypes, suggest coverage - not MUST ←
14:41:40 <AxelPolleres> if you do and don't do canonicalization, you get different answers... that's an entailment regime, and it's done by systems
Axel Polleres: if you do and don't do canonicalization, you get different answers... that's an entailment regime, and it's done by systems ←
14:43:36 <LeeF> LeeF: I don't understand how canonicalization of data input has anything to do with entailment at query time
Lee Feigenbaum: I don't understand how canonicalization of data input has anything to do with entailment at query time ←
14:43:44 <LeeF> AndyS: the entailment regimes do specify legal graphs for input
Andy Seaborne: the entailment regimes do specify legal graphs for input ←
14:43:59 <LeeF> bglimm: I'd rather not put in the work if there's no benefit to it
Birte Glimm: I'd rather not put in the work if there's no benefit to it ←
14:44:16 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: I read that Oracle does this
Axel Polleres: I read that Oracle does this ←
14:44:23 <AndyS> RIOT can canonicalize on input
Andy Seaborne: RIOT can canonicalize on input ←
14:44:35 <LeeF> MattPerry: is there things in D-entailment that would not be captured by doing canonicalization at input time?
Matthew Perry: is there things in D-entailment that would not be captured by doing canonicalization at input time? ←
14:44:39 <LeeF> bglimm: you also need to do RDFS entailment
Birte Glimm: you also need to do RDFS entailment ←
14:45:15 <LeeF> MattPerry: I can send out a list of the canonicalization that we do.
Matthew Perry: I can send out a list of the canonicalization that we do. ←
14:45:36 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Matthew to sync with Birte on Datatypes for canonicalisation
ACTION: Matthew to sync with Birte on Datatypes for canonicalisation ←
14:45:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-419 - Sync with Birte on Datatypes for canonicalisation [on Matthew Perry - due 2011-03-29].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-419 - Sync with Birte on Datatypes for canonicalisation [on Matthew Perry - due 2011-03-29]. ←
14:45:52 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: federated query status?
Axel Polleres: federated query status? ←
14:45:58 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me ←
14:45:58 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted ←
14:46:05 <LeeF> cbuilara: applied the comments from Axel and Lee
Carlos Buil Aranda: applied the comments from Axel and Lee ←
14:46:07 <AxelPolleres> topic: Fed Query
14:46:10 <LeeF> ... sent email
... sent email ←
14:46:19 <LeeF> ... wiki page with the comments of how I handled these comments
... wiki page with the comments of how I handled these comments ←
14:46:24 <LeeF> ... waiting for answers
... waiting for answers ←
14:46:32 <LeeF> ... need to clarify some things
... need to clarify some things ←
14:46:39 <LeeF> ... from Axel and Lee
... from Axel and Lee ←
14:47:03 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: link to wiki page?
Axel Polleres: link to wiki page? ←
14:47:31 <AxelPolleres> Carlos, add missing issues to Last call page on wiki, please
Axel Polleres: Carlos, add missing issues to Last call page on wiki, please ←
14:47:34 <AndyS> I'd take the grammar extract out - it's probably out of date. Link to ServiceGraphPattern
Andy Seaborne: I'd take the grammar extract out - it's probably out of date. Link to ServiceGraphPattern ←
14:48:33 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Carlos to look into removing grammar extracts from Fed query and direclty link to current grammar
ACTION: Carlos to look into removing grammar extracts from Fed query and direclty link to current grammar ←
14:48:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-420 - Look into removing grammar extracts from Fed query and direclty link to current grammar [on Carlos Buil Aranda - due 2011-03-29].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-420 - Look into removing grammar extracts from Fed query and direclty link to current grammar [on Carlos Buil Aranda - due 2011-03-29]. ←
14:48:34 <Zakim> -pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: -pgearon ←
14:48:48 <cbuilara> fed Query review: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/To_Last_Call/Federated_Query_Review
Carlos Buil Aranda: fed Query review: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/To_Last_Call/Federated_Query_Review ←
14:49:02 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: JSON results format?
Axel Polleres: JSON results format? ←
14:49:09 <LeeF> AndyS: no changes yet, concentrating on query
Andy Seaborne: no changes yet, concentrating on query ←
14:49:15 <LeeF> ... JSON can go on a different schedule if need be
... JSON can go on a different schedule if need be ←
14:49:34 <Zakim> +??P13
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P13 ←
14:49:39 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:49:39 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should no longer be muted ←
14:49:46 <NickH> Zakim, ??P13 is me
Nicholas Humfrey: Zakim, ??P13 is me ←
14:49:49 <Zakim> +NickH; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +NickH; got it ←
14:50:37 <AxelPolleres> Birte: entailment... ready by end of first week of april
Birte Glimm: entailment... ready by end of first week of april [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
14:50:37 <LeeF> cbuilara: if comments this week, need 1-2 weeks at most to apply final comments
Carlos Buil Aranda: if comments this week, need 1-2 weeks at most to apply final comments ←
14:50:46 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me ←
14:50:46 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted ←
14:51:10 <AxelPolleres> Carlos: reaslistic 1st or 2nd week of april (assuming open questions are addressed by Lee and Axel)
Carlos Buil Aranda: reaslistic 1st or 2nd week of april (assuming open questions are addressed by Lee and Axel) [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
14:51:23 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: overview document?
Axel Polleres: overview document? ←
14:51:27 <LeeF> ... Lee and Axel to discuss offline
... Lee and Axel to discuss offline ←
14:52:24 <LeeF> topic: test cases
14:52:33 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: looking for volunteers to look through test cases and figure out what is ready for approval
Axel Polleres: looking for volunteers to look through test cases and figure out what is ready for approval ←
14:52:44 <LeeF> ... look through minutes, mailing list, etc.
... look through minutes, mailing list, etc. ←
14:52:55 <MattPerry> Property Path tests are ready as far as I'm concerned
Matthew Perry: Property Path tests are ready as far as I'm concerned ←
14:53:01 <AndyS> I've added some bad syntax tests recently.
Andy Seaborne: I've added some bad syntax tests recently. ←
14:53:21 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, pick a victim
Axel Polleres: Zakim, pick a victim ←
14:53:21 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose MattPerry
Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose MattPerry ←
14:53:24 <LeeF> LeeF: suggest agenda items for next week: property path tests and bad syntax tests
Lee Feigenbaum: suggest agenda items for next week: property path tests and bad syntax tests ←
14:53:33 <OlivierCorby> I can contribute to test cases
Olivier Corby: I can contribute to test cases ←
14:54:17 <Zakim> + +1.540.412.aaff
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.540.412.aaff ←
14:54:28 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Olivier to look through test cases and provide a summary by next TC
ACTION: Olivier to look through test cases and provide a summary by next TC ←
14:54:28 <trackbot> Created ACTION-421 - Look through test cases and provide a summary by next TC [on Olivier Corby - due 2011-03-29].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-421 - Look through test cases and provide a summary by next TC [on Olivier Corby - due 2011-03-29]. ←
14:54:40 <pgearon> Zakim, aaff is me
Paul Gearon: Zakim, aaff is me ←
14:54:40 <Zakim> +pgearon; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +pgearon; got it ←
14:56:19 <LeeF> topic: action review
14:56:28 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: (reviews pending actions)
Axel Polleres: (reviews pending actions) ←
14:56:55 <kasei> 407 is done
Gregory Williams: 407 is done ←
14:57:11 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-407
Axel Polleres: close ACTION-407 ←
14:57:11 <trackbot> ACTION-407 Change conformance section in SD to refer to including "at least" one triple... closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-407 Change conformance section in SD to refer to including "at least" one triple... closed ←
14:57:27 <LeeF> yes
yes ←
14:57:52 <AndyS> 408 is done (currently pending) will close. review of 407.
Andy Seaborne: 408 is done (currently pending) will close. review of 407. ←
14:58:52 <MattPerry> yes
Matthew Perry: yes ←
14:59:05 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-394
Axel Polleres: close ACTION-394 ←
14:59:42 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-393
Axel Polleres: close ACTION-393 ←
14:59:43 <trackbot> ACTION-393 Review query closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-393 Review query closed ←
14:59:54 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-390
Axel Polleres: close ACTION-390 ←
14:59:54 <trackbot> ACTION-390 Update comments page closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-390 Update comments page closed ←
15:01:31 <MattPerry> bye
Matthew Perry: bye ←
15:01:34 <Zakim> -SteveH
Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveH ←
15:01:35 <Zakim> -cbuilara
Zakim IRC Bot: -cbuilara ←
15:01:37 <Zakim> -NickH
Zakim IRC Bot: -NickH ←
15:01:37 <LeeF> Adjourned.
Adjourned. ←
15:01:39 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
15:01:43 <Zakim> -bglimm
Zakim IRC Bot: -bglimm ←
15:01:47 <Zakim> - +34.92.38.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: - +34.92.38.aadd ←
15:01:49 <Zakim> -MattPerry
Zakim IRC Bot: -MattPerry ←
15:01:51 <Zakim> -pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: -pgearon ←
15:01:53 <Zakim> -AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←
15:01:58 <AxelPolleres> ACTIONS upto 397 will be reviewed next time.
Axel Polleres: ACTIONS upto 397 will be reviewed next time. ←
15:01:59 <Zakim> -kasei
Zakim IRC Bot: -kasei ←
15:02:04 <AxelPolleres> adjourn
Axel Polleres: adjourn ←
15:02:05 <LeeF> RRSAgent, make logs world
RRSAgent, make logs world ←
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