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Forms Working Group Teleconference

30 Sep 2009

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
wiecha, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, ebruchez, Leigh_Klotz, John_Boyer, unl, Steven
Regrets
None
Chair
John
Scribe
Erik

Contents


 

 

<trackbot> Date: 30 September 2009

<John_Boyer> scribe: Erik

<John_Boyer> scribenick: ebruchez

<John_Boyer> Chair: John

<John_Boyer> back home now ... we'll see how it goes

<John_Boyer> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.1/index-all.html

Pending working group decision on advancing XForms 1.1 to Rec

<Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.1/index-diff.html

<John_Boyer> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.1/index-diff.html

<John_Boyer> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.1/index-diff.html#expr

John: Not many diff marks. There is now a mention that XPath 2.0 support is expected. SOAP-related references. inputmode tokens are case-insensitive.

Steven: Why is modularization in the normative section?

John: Because we use the Modularization syntax style

Steven: Ok there is a normative aspect to it.

<nick> E.5 Examples is next change

<John_Boyer> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.1/index-diff.html#mode-syntax

John: Section E.1 about inputmode now specifies tokens are case-insensitive.
... In E.3.1, there is a minor cosmetic change (non-diff-marked).

<Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/ED-xhtml-basic-20090916/#s_inputmodesyntax

<Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/ED-xhtml-basic-20090916/#s_inputmode-examples

<scribe> ACTION: John to put the proper example for E.5 in future version of the spec. http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/ED-xhtml-basic-20090916/#s_inputmode-examples [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-forms-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - John

<trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jkugelma, jboyer)

John: In section F, we now have the link to the RNG schema.

Steven: What about the list of current participants?

<Steven> http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=32219

<klotz> http://www.relaxng.org/spec-20011203.html

<klotz> http://www.relaxng.org/compact-20021121.html

John: I will update the text to reflect that it is a list of participants, not necessarily current, and a couple of details.

RESOLUTION: We send the version containing the minor changes John is about to make to Rec.

John: The rec version will have a link to an empty errata page.
... Member companies should produce testimonials.
... Members can send them to public-forms?

Steven: That will be fine.

John: We need them within the next week.

Steven: There was a positive public comment in the votes from the University of Amsterdam, we can ask them as well.

<Steven> I've sent them a mail

Test suite issues

John: Issue sent by Joern: "Test 5.1.b - validity of normalizedString and token".

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2009Sep/0008.html

<Steven> Just in - CWI is interested in giving a testimonial

Nick: (discusses)

John: I can't see in the spec anything that corroborates what's in the book Joern is quoting.

<scribe> ACTION: Erik and John to investigate question of xsd:normalizedString and xsd:token validation. Erik will ask Eric van der Vlist's opinion. See: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2009Sep/0008.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-forms-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-569 - And John to investigate question of xsd:normalizedString and xsd:token validation. Erik will ask Eric van der Vlist's opinion. See: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2009Sep/0008.html [on Erik Bruchez - due 2009-10-07].

<John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2009Sep/0014.html

John: These changes would make it a more reasonable test.

<John_Boyer> change navindex in test 8.1.a

<scribe> ACTION: John to make navindex changes to test 8.1.a as per suggestions in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2009Sep/0014.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-forms-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - John

<trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jkugelma, jboyer)

<John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2009Sep/0010.html

<nick> sorry to interrupt again, but found what I was looking for related to the xsd:normalizedString and xsd:token http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-xmlschema-1-20041028/structures.html#d0e1654

Erik: So the spec actually says the single-node bindings are required.

John: Yes, except for a few exceptions where they are optional.

<scribe> ACTION: John to change these tests to have single-node bindings. See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2009Sep/0010.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-forms-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - John

<trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jkugelma, jboyer)

Nick: I found some information about xsd:normalizedString and xsd:token validation. Should we discuss now?

John: Sure.
... It's still unclear, so we can stick with the action. Thanks for pointing this out.

XForms Future Features

John: We can discuss external models next week. Erik, can you get a refresh on Custom XPath Functions to discuss next week?

Erik: Sure.

John: Was JSON submission discussed?

Leigh: Yes, we discussed with Kenneth. There are two JSON-XML transformations mentioned by Kenneth. He should send this to us.

<nick> http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/CR-xmlschema11-1-20090430/#sec-wsnormalization (3.1.4 White Space Normalization during Validation in W3C XML Schema Definition Language (XSD) 1.1 is more clear, it is a Déjà vu, walking the same path as half a year ago)

Leigh: Lots of web authors just want easy JavaScript access to data model. We could have a good JS API to access an XML data model, and conversely allow XPath access to JSON. We would refer to an external specification, not build this into XForms.

<nick> (Erik worth reading before sending your e-mail)

John: "submission to a "new" window" is an observation: like xf:load, submission should allow opening content into a new windows.

Steven: It's bad to have two different constructs.

John: Other "issues" with load: it can be used to load "javascript:" constructs. Not sure we can eliminate it in that case.

<Steven> bye

Erik: load is concise, we should not eliminate it, even if it's expressed in terms of submission.

John: Do other implementations support the javascript: URLs?

Erik: Our implementation supports that, but also a separate <script> element.

Nick: Chiba too.

Erik: I think it's ok to support javascript: since HTML authors are familiar with it.

Nick: There is also the data: URL.

John: If everything goes well, XForms 1.1 will be behind us next week and we can tackle all those issues.

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Erik and John to investigate question of xsd:normalizedString and xsd:token validation. Erik will ask Eric van der Vlist's opinion. See: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2009Sep/0008.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-forms-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: John to change these tests to have single-node bindings. See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2009Sep/0010.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-forms-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: John to make navindex changes to test 8.1.a as per suggestions in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2009Sep/0014.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-forms-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: John to put the proper example for E.5 in future version of the spec. http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/ED-xhtml-basic-20090916/#s_inputmode-examples [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-forms-minutes.html#action01]
 
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