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14:58:52 <trackbot> Meeting: Forms Working Group Teleconference
14:58:52 <trackbot> Date: 30 September 2009
14:59:02 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Sep/0047
14:59:09 <Steven> Chair: John
14:59:45 <nick> nick has changed the topic to: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Sep/0047
14:59:46 <John_Boyer> scribe: Erik
14:59:50 <John_Boyer> scribenick: ebruchez
15:00:04 <John_Boyer> Chair: John
15:00:08 <John_Boyer> Regrets: None
15:00:23 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
15:00:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-forms-minutes.html Steven
15:02:16 <John_Boyer> back home now ... we'll see how it goes
15:03:09 <John_Boyer> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.1/index-all.html
15:03:12 <ebruchez> topic: Pending working group decision on advancing XForms 1.1 to Rec
15:03:27 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.1/index-diff.html
15:03:43 <John_Boyer> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.1/index-diff.html
15:04:28 <John_Boyer> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.1/index-diff.html#expr
15:07:37 <ebruchez> John: Not many diff marks. There is now a mention that XPath 2.0 support is expected. SOAP-related references. inputmode tokens are case-insensitive.
15:08:05 <ebruchez> Steven: Why is modularization in the normative section?
15:08:09 <ebruchez> John: ...
15:08:18 <ebruchez> Steven: Ok there is a normative aspect to it.
15:08:33 <Steven> s/.../ Because we use the Modularization syntax style
15:08:35 <nick> E.5 Examples is next change
15:09:16 <John_Boyer> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.1/index-diff.html#mode-syntax
15:09:32 <ebruchez> John: Section E.1 about inputmode now specifies tokens are case-insensitive.
15:10:29 <ebruchez> John: In E.3.1, there is a minor cosmetic change (non-diff-marked).
15:11:08 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/ED-xhtml-basic-20090916/#s_inputmodesyntax
15:12:17 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/ED-xhtml-basic-20090916/#s_inputmode-examples
15:12:31 <ebruchez> ACTION: John to put the proper example for E.5 in future version of the spec. http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/ED-xhtml-basic-20090916/#s_inputmode-examples
15:12:31 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - John
15:12:31 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jkugelma, jboyer)
15:13:56 <ebruchez> John: In section F, we now have the link to the RNG schema.
15:14:17 <ebruchez> Steven: What about the list of current participants?
15:15:21 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=32219
15:17:13 <klotz> http://www.relaxng.org/spec-20011203.html
15:17:28 <klotz> http://www.relaxng.org/compact-20021121.html
15:17:48 <ebruchez> John: I will update the text to reflect that it is a list of participants, not necessarily current, and a couple of details.
15:21:23 <ebruchez> RESOLUTION: We send the version containing the minor changes John is about to make to Rec.
15:25:49 <ebruchez> John: The rec version will have a link to an empty errata page.
15:27:58 <ebruchez> John: Member companies should produce testimonials.
15:28:47 <ebruchez> John: Members can send them to public-forms?
15:28:53 <ebruchez> Steven: That will be fine.
15:29:13 <ebruchez> John: We need them within the next week.
15:29:33 <Zakim> -wiecha
15:30:45 <ebruchez> Steven: There was a positive public comment in the votes from the University of Amsterdam, we can ask them as well.
15:32:47 <Steven> I've sent them a mail
15:36:28 <ebruchez> Topic: Test suite issues
15:38:36 <ebruchez> John: Issue sent by Joern: "Test 5.1.b - validity of normalizedString and token".
15:39:33 <ebruchez> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2009Sep/0008.html
15:41:57 <Steven> Jus in - CWI is interested in giving a testimonial
15:44:45 <ebruchez> Nick: (discusses)
15:46:03 <Steven> s/Jus/Just/
15:46:18 <ebruchez> John: I can't see in the spec anything that corroborates what's in the book Joern is quoting.
15:47:40 <ebruchez> ACTION: Erik and John to investigate question of xsd:normalizedString and xsd:token validation. Erik will ask Eric van der Vlist's opinion. See: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2009Sep/0008.html
15:47:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-569 - And John to investigate question of xsd:normalizedString and xsd:token validation. Erik will ask Eric van der Vlist's opinion. See: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2009Sep/0008.html [on Erik Bruchez - due 2009-10-07].
15:48:08 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2009Sep/0014.html
15:50:15 <ebruchez> John: These changes would make it a more reasonable test.
15:50:42 <John_Boyer> change navindex in test 8.1.a
15:51:25 <ebruchez> ACTION: John to make navindex changes to test 8.1.a as per suggestions in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2009Sep/0014.html
15:51:25 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - John
15:51:25 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jkugelma, jboyer)
15:51:52 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2009Sep/0010.html
15:55:25 <nick> sorry to interrupt again, but found what I was looking for related to the xsd:normalizedString and xsd:token http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-xmlschema-1-20041028/structures.html#d0e1654
15:57:07 <ebruchez> Erik: So the spec actually says the single-node bindings are required.
15:57:18 <ebruchez> John: Yes, except for a few exceptions where they are optional.
15:58:16 <ebruchez> ACTION: John to change these tests to have single-node bindings. See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2009Sep/0010.html
15:58:16 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - John
15:58:16 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jkugelma, jboyer)
15:58:49 <ebruchez> Nick: I found some information about xsd:normalizedString and xsd:token validation. Should we discuss now?
15:58:54 <ebruchez> John: Sure.
16:01:32 <ebruchez> John: It's still unclear, so we can stick with the action. Thanks for pointing this out.
16:03:16 <ebruchez> Topic: XForms Future Features
16:03:51 <ebruchez> John: We can discuss external models next week. Erik, can you get a refresh on Custom XPath Functions to discuss next week?
16:03:56 <ebruchez> Erik: Sure.
16:04:05 <ebruchez> John: Was JSON submission discussed?
16:04:49 <ebruchez> Leigh: Yes, we discussed with Kenneth. There are two JSON-XML transformations mentioned by Kenneth. He should send this to us.
16:07:44 <nick> http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/CR-xmlschema11-1-20090430/#sec-wsnormalization (3.1.4 White Space Normalization during Validation in W3C XML Schema Definition Language (XSD) 1.1 is more clear, it is a  Déjà vu, walking the same path as half a year ago)
16:08:14 <ebruchez> Leigh: Lots of web authors just want easy JavaScript access to data model. We could have a good JS API to access an XML data model, and conversely allow XPath access to JSON. We would refer to an external specification, not build this into XForms.
16:08:32 <nick> (Erik worth reading before sending your e-mail)
16:10:36 <ebruchez> John: "submission to a "new" window" is an observation: like xf:load, submission should allow opening content into a new windows.
16:10:43 <ebruchez> Steven: It's bad to have two different constructs.
16:12:41 <ebruchez> John: Other "issues" with load: it can be used to load "javascript:" constructs. Not sure we can eliminate it in that case.
16:12:57 <Steven> bye
16:13:05 <Zakim> -Steven
16:13:11 <ebruchez> Erik: load is concise, we should not eliminate it, even if it's expressed in terms of submission.
16:14:15 <ebruchez> John: Do other implementations support the javascript: URLs? 
16:14:30 <ebruchez> Erik: Our implementation supports that, but also a separate <script> element.
16:14:45 <ebruchez> Nick: Chiba too.
16:17:31 <ebruchez> Erik: I think it's ok to support javascript: since HTML authors are familiar with it.
16:17:36 <ebruchez> Nick: There is also the data: URL.
16:18:01 <Zakim> -ebruchez
16:18:02 <Zakim> -Nick_van_den_Bleeken
16:18:02 <Zakim> -Leigh_Klotz
16:18:03 <Zakim> -John_Boyer
16:18:04 <Zakim> -unl
16:18:06 <Zakim> HTML_Forms()10:45AM has ended
16:18:07 <Zakim> Attendees were wiecha, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, ebruchez, Leigh_Klotz, John_Boyer, unl, Steven
16:18:14 <ebruchez> John: If everything goes well, XForms 1.1 will be behind us next week and we can tackle all those issues.
16:18:17 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, make minutes
16:18:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-forms-minutes.html John_Boyer
16:19:16 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, bye
16:19:16 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-forms-actions.rdf :
16:19:16 <RRSAgent> ACTION: John to put the proper example for E.5 in future version of the spec. http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/ED-xhtml-basic-20090916/#s_inputmode-examples [1]
16:19:16 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-forms-irc#T15-12-31
16:19:16 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Erik and John to investigate question of xsd:normalizedString and xsd:token validation. Erik will ask Eric van der Vlist's opinion. See: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2009Sep/0008.html [2]
16:19:16 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-forms-irc#T15-47-40
16:19:16 <RRSAgent> ACTION: John to make navindex changes to test 8.1.a as per suggestions in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2009Sep/0014.html [3]
16:19:16 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-forms-irc#T15-51-25
16:19:16 <RRSAgent> ACTION: John to change these tests to have single-node bindings. See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2009Sep/0010.html [4]
16:19:16 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-forms-irc#T15-58-16
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