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<trackbot> Date: 24 September 2009
<paulc> PaulC just joined.
<scribe> scribe: anne
<mjs> hi all
<pimpbot> Title: Input for Agenda Planning for the HTML Weekly - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
<pimpbot> Title: Agenda for HTML WG telcon 2009-09-24 - CfCs, Accessibility TF, Testing TF, etc. from Paul Cotton on 2009-09-22 (email@example.com from July to September 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
<pimpbot> Title: FW: Agenda for HTML WG telcon 2009-09-24 - CfCs, Accessibility TF, Testing TF, etc. from Paul Cotton on 2009-09-22 (firstname.lastname@example.org from September 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
PC: comments on the agenda?
... lets assume this is ok
<paulc> Topic ISSUE-35/ACTION-138: Produce a matrix based on Henri's work [Steve Faulkner]
RS: I had one item about drag and
... I want to raise an issue on it
... can be put at the end
LC: I have a procedural question about summary=""; can be put in the end
PC: I will deal with those as
item 9 and move adjourn to 10
... anything else?
LC: about two weeks ago Steve did a pass on that, discussed it, and has since then not have time to work on it; it will be discussed again the week after next
PC: lets move the action to October 8
<paulc> change due date to oct 8
LC: sounds good
<MikeSmith> action-138 due 2009-10-08
<trackbot> ACTION-138 Produce a matrix based on Henri's work due date now 2009-10-08
<paulc> Topic ACTION-143: Get co-chairs to bring forward a concrete proposal for a testing task force (including scope) [Paul Cotton]
<trackbot> ACTION-143 -- Paul Cotton to get co-chairs to bring forward a concrete proposal for a testing task force (including scope) -- due 2009-09-17 -- OPEN
<pimpbot> Title: ACTION-143 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
<paulc> Proposal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Sep/0687.html
<pimpbot> Title: RE: HTML WG Testing Task Force from Paul Cotton on 2009-09-17 (email@example.com from September 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
PC: so far we have seen positive
items; it seems that creating a TF is acceptable to
... what we need now is a volunteer to get things going
... can I email to ask for volunteers?
MJS: sounds good
<scribe> ACTION: paulc to ask for a volunteer to run the testing Task Force [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/24-html-wg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-146 - Ask for a volunteer to run the testing Task Force [on Paul Cotton - due 2009-10-01].
PC: we wanted a way to figure out a way to be a member of the testing TF without getting email from the HTML WG
MS: that is not possible because the subscription list of public-html is based on the HTML WG member database
PC: what if they explicitly unsubscribe?
MS: don't think that will work
PC: so the only recourse would be for the TF members to set up a filter
MS: most people use some kind of filtering already so this would just be another rule
PC: just wanted to make sure that
we dealt with item 2 under the proposal
... as AB from MS requested this feature
<paulc> The following point will NOT be possible:
<paulc> Note: We may want to figure out how to permit TF members to avoid receiving WG email.
PC: OASIS is ahead of the W3C here
<rubys> close action 143
MS: [censored o_O]
<paulc> Topic ISSUE-54/ACTION-103: Register about: URI scheme [Lachlan Hunt]
<masinter> there was mail on the about URI scheme this week
MJS: he emailed on this last week
<pimpbot> Title: [Uri-review] draft-holsten-about-uri-scheme-02 (at www.ietf.org)
MJS: we should probably roll over the action
PC: I will change the due date to next week
<paulc> See report in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Sep/0684.html
<pimpbot> Title: ACTION-103 Follow up on the about: scheme Registration from Lachlan Hunt on 2009-09-17 (firstname.lastname@example.org from September 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
<paulc> Topic ISSUE-56/ACTION-137: Update IRI spec based on comments to Public-IRI [Larry Masinter]
<MikeSmith> action-103 due 2009-09-24
<trackbot> ACTION-103 Register about: URI scheme due date now 2009-09-24
MJS: I think LM emailed about this
<masinter> the author/editor of the about URI scheme needs to respond to comments
<masinter> yes, i'm in TAG meeting but we're about to break
<paulc> see report in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Sep/0982.html
<pimpbot> Title: ACTION-137 on URI/IRI/URL from Larry Masinter on 2009-09-24 (email@example.com from September 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
PC: this one appears to be in progress
<masinter> i'm not on phone but i can respond to questions on IRC
<paulc> "Updating due date to 9/28"
<trackbot> ACTION-137 -- Larry Masinter to update IRI spec based on comments to Public-IRI (Including those from HTML-WG members), -- due 2009-09-28 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<pimpbot> Title: ACTION-137 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
<masinter> wait, should be OPEN not PENDINGREVIEW
<paulc> Topic CfC: declare WebSockets out of scope [Maciej Stachowiak]
<masinter> i will do yet another draft, think next monday, that's what i put in the tracker
<paulc> Resolved without objection.
PC: I believe the first one is
<trackbot> ACTION-137 -- Larry Masinter to update IRI spec based on comments to Public-IRI (Including those from HTML-WG members), -- due 2009-09-28 -- OPEN
<pimpbot> Title: ACTION-137 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
<paulc> Topic CfC: Publish HTML+RDFa as First Public Working Draft [Maciej Stachowiak]
PC: we haven't seen anyone to
object to publication
... we have seen a lot of discussion on content
<paulc> Resolved without objection to publish the first public WGD
PC: resolved to publish without
objection as FPWD
... I will work with Manu to get the document in shape
Manu: that's be fantastic
<scribe> ACTION: paulc to work with Manu on making HTML+RDFa ready to publish [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/24-html-wg-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-147 - Work with Manu on making HTML+RDFa ready to publish [on Paul Cotton - due 2009-10-01].
Manu: after speaking with Henri
and reading Maciej and Jonas' feedback it is clear that we need
to clarify the current specification.
... with respect to DOM Level 2 and the infoset
... we'll start to move the issues from the RDFa wiki to the W3C issue tracker
PC: do you want an action on this
or is it obvious enough?
... the movement of the issues, in particular
Manu: I wanted to put them in the
RDFa TF tracker
... I can email it after the telcon
MJS: I'd recommend putting them in W3C Bugzilla, not the Tracker
<paulc> tx sam
Manu: that might lead to some duplication between the RDFa and HTML tracker
<pimpbot> Title: Re: Accessibility Task Force from Janina Sajka on 2009-09-23 (firstname.lastname@example.org from September 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
<pimpbot> Title: HTML Accessibility Task Force (at www.w3.org)
PC: does anyone have any comments
regarding the description on this TF?
... we handle the patent obligation by requiring members of the TF to be a member of the HTML WG
<paulc> Who are the Task Force Facilitators?
<scribe> ACTION: paulc to recruit a Task Force facilitator for the HTML WG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/24-html-wg-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-148 - Recruit a Task Force facilitator for the HTML WG [on Paul Cotton - due 2009-10-01].
MC: can we record a formal resolution?
MJS: if we want to record a resolution we should probably issue a CfC on the mailing list
<scribe> ACTION: maciej to issue a CfC to approve the accessibility Task Force and testing Task Force [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/24-html-wg-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-149 - Issue a CfC to approve the accessibility Task Force and testing Task Force [on Maciej Stachowiak - due 2009-10-01].
<paulc> Done above under the action items.
RS: the problem we have with the current specification is that it is mouse specific
AvK: actually, the specification
is already written in a way that it is keyboard
... as a copy and paste operation
MJS: the current specification dispatches the same events for copy and paste and drag and drop
RS: we need to create an issue
MJS: I would prefer to start with a bug in the bug tracker
RS: who creates the bug?
MJS: I would recommend you do it since you understand the issue
<pimpbot> Title: Log in to Bugzilla (at www.w3.org)
MK: drag and drop has been under fire recently
<pimpbot> Title: QuirksBlog: The HTML5 drag and drop disaster (at www.quirksmode.org)
MK: I think people have asked to remove it from the HTML5 specification, rewrite it, and handle it as a separate draft
PC: so what you're saying is that this issue might be subsumed by drag and drop might be done in a different way
<masinter> +1 to removing drag and drop, brings in all kinds of stuff
MJS: lets keep this as a separate issue
MJS: Firefox, Safari, and
Internet Explorer all implement the current model and it is
therefore unlikely to go away
... but we can discuss this offline
LC: [scribe missed]
MJS: the bug tracker should not affect your action on creating an alternative draft
<julian> one of the bugs related to summary is http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7633
LC, PC: thanks MJS
<pimpbot> 117633: email@example.com, P2, REOPENED, 13The use of @summary should be encouraged when circumstances warrant
PC: volunteer to scribe next week?
<paulc> Topic Scribe for next meeting
PC: no volunteers
<mjs> well done
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