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HTML Weekly Teleconference

24 Sep 2009

Agenda

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Attendees

Present
Eliot_Graff, carlos, Cynthia_Shelly, Sam, Matt, jerryEzrol, [Microsoft], Radhika_Roy, kliehm, +1.503.712.aaaa, julian, laura, msporny, Cooper, anne, Rich, [Apple], Mike, adrianba
Regrets
Chair
paulc
Scribe
anne

Contents


 

 

<trackbot> Date: 24 September 2009

<paulc> PaulC just joined.

<scribe> scribe: anne

<mjs> hi all

<julian> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/agenda

<pimpbot> Title: Input for Agenda Planning for the HTML Weekly - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2009JulSep/0044.html

<pimpbot> Title: Agenda for HTML WG telcon 2009-09-24 - CfCs, Accessibility TF, Testing TF, etc. from Paul Cotton on 2009-09-22 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from July to September 2009) (at lists.w3.org)

<pimpbot> Title: FW: Agenda for HTML WG telcon 2009-09-24 - CfCs, Accessibility TF, Testing TF, etc. from Paul Cotton on 2009-09-22 (public-html@w3.org from September 2009) (at lists.w3.org)

Agenda

PC: comments on the agenda? missed actions/items?
... lets assume this is ok

<paulc> Topic ISSUE-35/ACTION-138: Produce a matrix based on Henri's work [Steve Faulkner]

RS: I had one item about drag and drop
... I want to raise an issue on it
... can be put at the end

LC: I have a procedural question about summary=""; can be put in the end

PC: I will deal with those as item 9 and move adjourn to 10
... anything else?

ACTION-138 -- produce a matrix based on HS' work

LC: about two weeks ago Steve did a pass on that, discussed it, and has since then not have time to work on it; it will be discussed again the week after next

PC: lets move the action to October 8

<paulc> change due date to oct 8

LC: sounds good

<MikeSmith> action-138 due 2009-10-08

<trackbot> ACTION-138 Produce a matrix based on Henri's work due date now 2009-10-08

<paulc> Topic ACTION-143: Get co-chairs to bring forward a concrete proposal for a testing task force (including scope) [Paul Cotton]

ACTION-143 -- on PC; testing task force

ACTION-143?

<trackbot> ACTION-143 -- Paul Cotton to get co-chairs to bring forward a concrete proposal for a testing task force (including scope) -- due 2009-09-17 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/143

<pimpbot> Title: ACTION-143 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

<paulc> Proposal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Sep/0687.html

<pimpbot> Title: RE: HTML WG Testing Task Force from Paul Cotton on 2009-09-17 (public-html@w3.org from September 2009) (at lists.w3.org)

PC: so far we have seen positive items; it seems that creating a TF is acceptable to everyone
... what we need now is a volunteer to get things going
... can I email to ask for volunteers?

<rubys> +1

MJS: sounds good

<adrianba> +1

<scribe> ACTION: paulc to ask for a volunteer to run the testing Task Force [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/24-html-wg-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-146 - Ask for a volunteer to run the testing Task Force [on Paul Cotton - due 2009-10-01].

PC: we wanted a way to figure out a way to be a member of the testing TF without getting email from the HTML WG

MS: that is not possible because the subscription list of public-html is based on the HTML WG member database

PC: what if they explicitly unsubscribe?

MS: don't think that will work

PC: so the only recourse would be for the TF members to set up a filter

MS: most people use some kind of filtering already so this would just be another rule

PC: just wanted to make sure that we dealt with item 2 under the proposal
... as AB from MS requested this feature

<paulc> The following point will NOT be possible:

<paulc> Note: We may want to figure out how to permit TF members to avoid receiving WG email.

PC: OASIS is ahead of the W3C here

<rubys> close action 143

MS: [censored o_O]

<paulc> Topic ISSUE-54/ACTION-103: Register about: URI scheme [Lachlan Hunt]

about URI scheme

<masinter> there was mail on the about URI scheme this week

MJS: he emailed on this last week

<masinter> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/uri-review/current/msg01009.html

<pimpbot> Title: [Uri-review] draft-holsten-about-uri-scheme-02 (at www.ietf.org)

MJS: we should probably roll over the action

PC: I will change the due date to next week

<paulc> See report in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Sep/0684.html

<pimpbot> Title: ACTION-103 Follow up on the about: scheme Registration from Lachlan Hunt on 2009-09-17 (public-html@w3.org from September 2009) (at lists.w3.org)

update IRI spec based on comments

<paulc> Topic ISSUE-56/ACTION-137: Update IRI spec based on comments to Public-IRI [Larry Masinter]

<MikeSmith> action-103 due 2009-09-24

<trackbot> ACTION-103 Register about: URI scheme due date now 2009-09-24

MJS: I think LM emailed about this

<masinter> the author/editor of the about URI scheme needs to respond to comments

<masinter> yes, i'm in TAG meeting but we're about to break

<paulc> see report in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Sep/0982.html

<pimpbot> Title: ACTION-137 on URI/IRI/URL from Larry Masinter on 2009-09-24 (public-html@w3.org from September 2009) (at lists.w3.org)

PC: this one appears to be in progress

<masinter> i'm not on phone but i can respond to questions on IRC

<paulc> "Updating due date to 9/28"

ACTION-137?

<trackbot> ACTION-137 -- Larry Masinter to update IRI spec based on comments to Public-IRI (Including those from HTML-WG members), -- due 2009-09-28 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/137

<pimpbot> Title: ACTION-137 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

<masinter> wait, should be OPEN not PENDINGREVIEW

outstanding CfC

<paulc> Topic CfC: declare WebSockets out of scope [Maciej Stachowiak]

<masinter> i will do yet another draft, think next monday, that's what i put in the tracker

<paulc> Resolved without objection.

PC: I believe the first one is resolved
... comments?

<rubys> action-137?

<trackbot> ACTION-137 -- Larry Masinter to update IRI spec based on comments to Public-IRI (Including those from HTML-WG members), -- due 2009-09-28 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/137

<pimpbot> Title: ACTION-137 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

<paulc> Topic CfC: Publish HTML+RDFa as First Public Working Draft [Maciej Stachowiak]

PC: we haven't seen anyone to object to publication
... we have seen a lot of discussion on content

<paulc> Resolved without objection to publish the first public WGD

PC: resolved to publish without objection as FPWD
... I will work with Manu to get the document in shape

Manu: that's be fantastic

<scribe> ACTION: paulc to work with Manu on making HTML+RDFa ready to publish [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/24-html-wg-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-147 - Work with Manu on making HTML+RDFa ready to publish [on Paul Cotton - due 2009-10-01].

HTML+RDFa

Manu: after speaking with Henri and reading Maciej and Jonas' feedback it is clear that we need to clarify the current specification.
... with respect to DOM Level 2 and the infoset
... we'll start to move the issues from the RDFa wiki to the W3C issue tracker

PC: do you want an action on this or is it obvious enough?
... the movement of the issues, in particular

Manu: I wanted to put them in the RDFa TF tracker
... I can email it after the telcon

MJS: I'd recommend putting them in W3C Bugzilla, not the Tracker

<paulc> tx sam

Manu: that might lead to some duplication between the RDFa and HTML tracker

Joint HTML and PF WG Accessibility Task Force

<rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Sep/0956.html

<pimpbot> Title: Re: Accessibility Task Force from Janina Sajka on 2009-09-23 (public-html@w3.org from September 2009) (at lists.w3.org)

<rubys> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/html-task-force

<pimpbot> Title: HTML Accessibility Task Force (at www.w3.org)

PC: does anyone have any comments regarding the description on this TF?
... we handle the patent obligation by requiring members of the TF to be a member of the HTML WG

<paulc> Who are the Task Force Facilitators?

<scribe> ACTION: paulc to recruit a Task Force facilitator for the HTML WG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/24-html-wg-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-148 - Recruit a Task Force facilitator for the HTML WG [on Paul Cotton - due 2009-10-01].

MC: can we record a formal resolution?

MJS: if we want to record a resolution we should probably issue a CfC on the mailing list

<scribe> ACTION: maciej to issue a CfC to approve the accessibility Task Force and testing Task Force [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/24-html-wg-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-149 - Issue a CfC to approve the accessibility Task Force and testing Task Force [on Maciej Stachowiak - due 2009-10-01].

7. HTML WG Testing Task Force

<paulc> Done above under the action items.

drag and drop discussion

RS: the problem we have with the current specification is that it is mouse specific

AvK: actually, the specification is already written in a way that it is keyboard accessible
... as a copy and paste operation

MJS: the current specification dispatches the same events for copy and paste and drag and drop

RS: we need to create an issue

MJS: I would prefer to start with a bug in the bug tracker

RS: who creates the bug?

MJS: I would recommend you do it since you understand the issue

You want: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/enter_bug.cgi?product=HTML%20WG

<pimpbot> Title: Log in to Bugzilla (at www.w3.org)

<paulc> ack

richardschwerdtfe, ^^

MK: drag and drop has been under fire recently

<julian> http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/archives/2009/09/the_html5_drag.html

<pimpbot> Title: QuirksBlog: The HTML5 drag and drop disaster (at www.quirksmode.org)

MK: I think people have asked to remove it from the HTML5 specification, rewrite it, and handle it as a separate draft

PC: so what you're saying is that this issue might be subsumed by drag and drop might be done in a different way

<masinter> +1 to removing drag and drop, brings in all kinds of stuff

MK: yes

MJS: lets keep this as a separate issue

PC: agreed

MJS: Firefox, Safari, and Internet Explorer all implement the current model and it is therefore unlikely to go away
... but we can discuss this offline

discussion of summary

LC: [scribe missed]

MJS: the bug tracker should not affect your action on creating an alternative draft

<julian> one of the bugs related to summary is http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7633

LC, PC: thanks MJS

<pimpbot> 117633: shelleyp@burningbird.net, P2, REOPENED, 13The use of @summary should be encouraged when circumstances warrant

PC: volunteer to scribe next week?

<paulc> Topic Scribe for next meeting

PC: no volunteers
... adjourned

<cardona507> thanks

<mjs> well done

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: maciej to issue a CfC to approve the accessibility Task Force and testing Task Force [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/24-html-wg-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: paulc to ask for a volunteer to run the testing Task Force [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/24-html-wg-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: paulc to recruit a Task Force facilitator for the HTML WG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/24-html-wg-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: paulc to work with Manu on making HTML+RDFa ready to publish [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/24-html-wg-minutes.html#action02]
 
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