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User Agent Working Group

04 Dec 2008

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Allan_James, Harper_Simon, Ford_Kelly, Richards_Jan, jeanne, Judy
Regrets
alan_cantor
Chair
Jim Allan
Scribe
Harper_Simon

Contents


 

 

<scribe> scribe: Harper_Simon

<scribe> ScribeNick: sharper

draft week of 15 December

Regrets, agenda requests, comments?

<JR> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20081202/results

Discussion of Proposed Rewording of 3.2.2

Discussion of Jan's rewording

Jeanne requested 'accordingly' to be removed

All fine with both changes

AllanJ: Only problem is with 'AA' what do we mean by cascade?

<AllanJ> ACTION: Jeanne update draft for 3.2.2 (new 3.1.2) Level A 3.2.2 Rendering Alternatives (Minimum): Provide the user with the global option to set which type of alternative to render by default. If the alternative content has a different height and/or width, then the user agent will reflow the viewport. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/04-ua-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-92 - Update draft for 3.2.2 (new 3.1.2) Level A 3.2.2 Rendering Alternatives (Minimum): Provide the user with the global option to set which type of alternative to render by default. If the alternative content has a different height and/or width, then the user agent will reflow the viewport. [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2008-12-11].

<AllanJ> ACTION: Jeanne update draft to include new item 3.2.x (new 3.1.x) Level AA 3.2.x Rendering Alternative (Enhanced): Provide the user with the global option to configure a cascade of types of alternatives to render by default, in case a prefered type is unavailable. If the alternative content has a different height and/or width, then the user agent will reflow the viewport. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/04-ua-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-93 - Update draft to include new item 3.2.x (new 3.1.x) Level AA 3.2.x Rendering Alternative (Enhanced): Provide the user with the global option to configure a cascade of types of alternatives to render by default, in case a prefered type is unavailable. If the alternative content has a different height and/or width, then the user agent will reflow the viewport. [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2008-12-11].

Proposal to reword 2.1.6

AllanJ: from - 2.1.6 Properties: If any of the following properties are supported by the accessibility platform architecture, they must be made available via the architecture:
... to - If any of the following properties are supported by the accessibility platform architecture, make the properties available via [or "to"??] the accessibility platform architecture:
... Discussion of change from to or via

<AllanJ> Issue: resolve "to" and

<trackbot> Created ISSUE-25 - Resolve \"to\" and ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/issues/25/edit .

JR: Happy to take 'to' although 'via' implys a correct outcome from the API

sharper: is it not up to the AT? how can the user agent enforce this?

All: Agreed to resolve to 'to'.

<AllanJ> ACTION: Jeanne to update 2.1.6 to be 2.1.6 Properties: If any of the following properties are supported by the accessibility platform architecture, make the properties available to the accessibility platform architecture: [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/04-ua-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-94 - Update 2.1.6 to be 2.1.6 Properties: If any of the following properties are supported by the accessibility platform architecture, make the properties available to the accessibility platform architecture: [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2008-12-11].

<AllanJ> (a) the bounding dimensions and coordinates of rendered graphical objects

<AllanJ> (b) font family of text

<AllanJ> (c) font size of text

<AllanJ> (d) foreground color of text

<AllanJ> (e) background color of text

<AllanJ> (f) change state/value notifications

Proposal to reword 2.1.7

old - 2.1.7 Timely Communication: For APIs implemented to satisfy the requirements of this document, programmatic exchanges proceed in a timely manner (Level AA).

<scribe> new - Timely Communication: For APIs implemented to satisfy the requirements of this document, ensure that programmatic exchanges proceed in a timely manner (Level AA)

results: 2 accepts, Questions: why AA, Timely is not testable.

Ford_Kelly: Maybe say ' is consistent with other applications which support the application architecture' ? But still not testable.

JR: Timely is common sense - would a regular human notice?

AllanJ: Is that anymore testable than timely.

Ford_Kelly: would change vote to accept (for now) if we gave examples of what we wanted to happen.

<JR> JR: programmatic exchanges proceed at a rate such that typical users do not perceive a lag

<JR> JR: programmatic exchanges proceed at a rate such that users do not perceive a delay

All: Discussion around this phrasing

<AllanJ> Timely Communication: For APIs implemented to satisfy the requirements of this document, ensure that programmatic exchanges proceed at a rate such that users do not perceive a delay

All: Looks good seems cleaner

Ford_Kelly: Let's put it in and await responses.

All: Agreed

<AllanJ> ACTION: Jeanne update 2.1.7 to Timely Communication: For APIs implemented to satisfy the requirements of this document, ensure that programmatic exchanges proceed at a rate such that users do not perceive a delay [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/04-ua-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-95 - Update 2.1.7 to Timely Communication: For APIs implemented to satisfy the requirements of this document, ensure that programmatic exchanges proceed at a rate such that users do not perceive a delay [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2008-12-11].

Kelly_Ford: extra Item

Discussion around 2.1.3

<JR> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2008OctDec/0065.html

<AllanJ> Original:

<AllanJ> 2.1.3 Accessible Alternative: If any functionality is not supported by the implemented accessibility platform architecture(s), then a separate accessible

<AllanJ> alternative for that functionality that is supported by the implemented accessibility platform architecture(s) is provided and a description of the inaccessible

<AllanJ> functionality appears in the conformance claim.

<AllanJ> Proposed:

<AllanJ> 2.1.3 Accessible Alternative: If functionality exists that is not supported by the accessibility architecture(s) used by the user agent, alternative functionality that does support the accessibility architecture and provides equivalent functionality must be implemented. Such alternatives must be documented in the user agent conformance claim.

<AllanJ> JR: need to define accessibility architecture

<AllanJ> ..."such arlternatives" should be changed to 'the situations'

<AllanJ> SH: won't this lead to many alternatives

<AllanJ> KF: User Agent says I support MSAA or UIA. but, the browser comes up with some new feature that is not supported in the platform architecture

<AllanJ> ...developer needs to rewrite or create some work around and document it

<AllanJ> SH: this is more understandable than 2.1.3

<AllanJ> KF: 2.1.3 says basically if all else fails provide an accessible alternative.

<AllanJ> SH: current language seems too complex for concept we are aming for

All: Discussion around this phrasing and Wordsmithing

<JR> If a feature is not supported by the accessibility architecture(s) used by the user agent, provide an equivalent feature does support the accessibility architecture.

<JR> If a feature is not supported by the accessibility architecture(s) used by the user agent, provide an equivalent feature that does support the accessibility architecture(s).

<JR> accessibility architecture(s).

<JR> If a feature is not supported by the accessibility architecture(s), provide an equivalent feature that does support the accessibility architecture(s).

<JR> If a feature is not supported by the accessibility architecture(s), provide an equivalent feature that does support the accessibility architecture(s) and document the equivalence in the conformance claim.

<JR> If a feature is not supported by the accessibility architecture(s), provide an equivalent feature that does support the accessibility architecture(s). Document the equivalent feature in the conformance claim.

AllanJ: lets try to break this
... How do we call attention to the equivalence in the interface?

<AllanJ> how does the user know to use this equivalent feature

<JR> JA: 5.3.2...documenting success criteria

<JR> SH: Yes can go there

<AllanJ> ACTION: Jeanne to update 2.1.3 to If a feature is not supported by the accessibility architecture(s), provide an equivalent feature that does support the accessibility architecture(s). Document the equivalent feature in the conformance claim. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/04-ua-minutes.html#action05]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-96 - Update 2.1.3 to If a feature is not supported by the accessibility architecture(s), provide an equivalent feature that does support the accessibility architecture(s). Document the equivalent feature in the conformance claim. [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2008-12-11].

<AllanJ> all, agree to new wording

Review Survey Items http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/

Review Action Item status http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/actions/open

<jeanne> http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2008/WD-UAAG20-20081118/

Brainstorm - who to contact for "request for comments" on next published

All: General discussion as to who could be approached regarding feedback.

<JR> +1

<judy> ACTION: JS & JB starting building push list for review of UAAG (and ATAG) drafts [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/04-ua-minutes.html#action06]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-97 - & JB starting building push list for review of UAAG (and ATAG) drafts [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2008-12-11].

<judy> ACTION: ALL -- send JS contact info if you have people you think would want to be on such a review list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/04-ua-minutes.html#action07]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - ALL

Freeze document for draft publication.

AlanJ: Intended Publication date is W/C 15th Dec

<AllanJ> ACTION: Jim to send list of status updates to Jeanne [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/04-ua-minutes.html#action08]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-98 - Send list of status updates to Jeanne [on Jim Allan - due 2008-12-11].

All: clarification of Freeze date - today minus anything to update today.

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: ALL -- send JS contact info if you have people you think would want to be on such a review list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/04-ua-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: Jeanne to update 2.1.3 to If a feature is not supported by the accessibility architecture(s), provide an equivalent feature that does support the accessibility architecture(s). Document the equivalent feature in the conformance claim. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/04-ua-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: Jeanne to update 2.1.6 to be 2.1.6 Properties: If any of the following properties are supported by the accessibility platform architecture, make the properties available to the accessibility platform architecture: [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/04-ua-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Jeanne update 2.1.7 to Timely Communication: For APIs implemented to satisfy the requirements of this document, ensure that programmatic exchanges proceed at a rate such that users do not perceive a delay [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/04-ua-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Jeanne update draft for 3.2.2 (new 3.1.2) Level A 3.2.2 Rendering Alternatives (Minimum): Provide the user with the global option to set which type of alternative to render by default. If the alternative content has a different height and/or width, then the user agent will reflow the viewport. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/04-ua-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Jeanne update draft to include new item 3.2.x (new 3.1.x) Level AA 3.2.x Rendering Alternative (Enhanced): Provide the user with the global option to configure a cascade of types of alternatives to render by default, in case a prefered type is unavailable. If the alternative content has a different height and/or width, then the user agent will reflow the viewport. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/04-ua-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Jim to send list of status updates to Jeanne [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/04-ua-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: JS & JB starting building push list for review of UAAG (and ATAG) drafts [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/04-ua-minutes.html#action06]
 
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