See also: IRC log
<scribe> ACTION: Wilhelm to follow up on widgets testing with Kai [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/04-mwts-minutes.html#action01] [DONE]
Wilhelm: we'll doing more
cleaning up and then release it publicly
... we're open to make any changes needed to make it useful for
its purposes
Kai: It's quite a complicated
system - Robert has given me a number of details on how it
works, and how to possibly make it suit my needs
... hopefully I won't spend too much time with the framework -
I'd rather write tests
Wilhelm: feel free to provide feedback directly to Robert
Kai: I think we'll get
there
... Is opera also going to contribute actual test cases
too?
Wilhelm: our current test suite
is not suitable for publication
... we're rewriting it, and then we'll release it
<scribe> ACTION: Kai to continue integrating his tests WTF [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-mwts-minutes.html#action02]
<dom_scribe> Art's response
<scribe> ACTION: Kai to import his test cases on dev.w3.org [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-mwts-minutes.html#action03]
[2006/waf/widgets/tests/]
Dom: would be good if you could upload them in 2006/waf/widgets/tests/; may be good to upload generated zip files to that people can start looking at them
Topics: Cookies test suite
<scribe> ACTION: Wilhelm to look into opera's test suites for cookies [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action04] [PENDING]
Wilhelm: made more progress, still pending
<scribe> ACTION: Kai to contribute to the di guidelines (an example?) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action11] [DONE]
<dom_scribe> Kai's copy of the DI guidelines
Dom: you don't see much added value to the document as is compared to CSS Test Guidelines, right?
Kai: yeah - currently, it seems
to mostly repeat the CSS guidelines
... not sure how to proceed
... I've started to ask myself what people got wrong in test
cases for mobile
... can't really think of anything
Dom: we identified a few things when we reviewed perf tests (e.g. memory, number of requests, ...)
Kai: I think it is good to share our experience in the guidelines, e.g. javascript is likely broken
<scribe> ACTION: Dom to review the di guidelines [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action09] [PENDING]
Dom: [mentioning ideas of what could get in there]
<scribe> ACTION: Wilhelm to review the di guidelines [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action10] [PENDING]
Wilhelm: will send them by next week
Kai: would be good if Carmelo
could give feedback on the comments I made
... It's kind of weird that we work both on highlighting issues
in browsers, and then work on creating mobile-specific test
cases
Dom: I think the two activities are complementary
http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/matrix
<hendry> CSS testcases -- these ones ? http://testfest.openmobilealliance.org/CSS_Content/index.html ?
<hendry> not these http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Test/Mobile/1.0/current/ ?
Dom: [summarizing some of the
issues encountered in the review of existing conformance test
suites]
... feel free to edit it direclty
<scribe> ACTION: Kai to verify IE mobile with new inputmode/contenteditable tests [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-mwts-minutes.html#action11] [DONE]
<dom_scribe> Kai's findings
Dom: so IE Mobile fail both these tests, right?
Kai: yeah
Dom: so how comes it passed them in the WCTMB? have you figured it out?
<scribe> ACTION: Kai to check if IE Mobile passes contenteditable/inputmode in WCTMB or not [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-mwts-minutes.html#action09]
Dom: so, contenteditable still in html5, but inputmode on the verge to be removed?
Kai: only checked quickly - more generally, I think we need to keep an eye on what's still relevant and update WCTMB accordingly
<hendry> http://flickr.com/photos/hendry/3041236348/ # oh yes, 10 & 15 do pass. But Wilhem's test fail. So... we have a problem.
<hendry> http://dabase.com/mwts_blog_1/
<scribe> ACTION: Kai to propose a first "draft" of the white paper on WCTMB [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action14] [DONE]
<dom_scribe> Kai's draft blog post
Dom: I wasn't clear about your suggestion to submit scores - where to and from?
Kai: note that you can edit that page if you have an openId account
<scribe> ACTION: Dom to send feedback on the blog post [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-mwts-minutes.html#action11]
Kai: if we could submit the score automatically somewhere, it would be really useful
<scribe> ACTION: Dom to look into setting up a system to track scores of the WCTMB [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-mwts-minutes.html#action12]
<hendry> dumping a post to a 'date-ua' file like http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/cgi/test-tools/echo would be good
<scribe> ACTION: Kai to send details on his idea for a local blog system to Dom [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-mwts-minutes.html#action13] [DONE]
example: http://www.w3.org/2005/06/blog/MWITeam
<scribe> ACTION: Dom to set up a blog for MWTSWG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-mwts-minutes.html#action14]
<scribe> ACTION: Wilhem to send Opera's feedback on OMA test suites [recorded inhttp://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action16] [PENDING] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-mwts-minutes.html#action15]
Wilhelm: will send something out - made progress
<scribe> ACTION: Dom to look back at OMA situation and report [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action15] [PENDING]
Wilhelm to Chair on Dec 9
RESOLUTION: no meeting on Dec 23rd and 30th