W3C

Mobile Web Initiative Test Suites Working Group Teleconference

02 Dec 2008

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
wilhelm, Dom, Dmitri, Kai
Regrets
Carmelo
Chair
Dom
Scribe
dom

Contents


Widgets Testing

<scribe> ACTION: Wilhelm to follow up on widgets testing with Kai [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/04-mwts-minutes.html#action01] [DONE]

Wilhelm: we'll doing more cleaning up and then release it publicly
... we're open to make any changes needed to make it useful for its purposes

Kai: It's quite a complicated system - Robert has given me a number of details on how it works, and how to possibly make it suit my needs
... hopefully I won't spend too much time with the framework - I'd rather write tests

Wilhelm: feel free to provide feedback directly to Robert

Kai: I think we'll get there
... Is opera also going to contribute actual test cases too?

Wilhelm: our current test suite is not suitable for publication
... we're rewriting it, and then we'll release it

<scribe> ACTION: Kai to continue integrating his tests WTF [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-mwts-minutes.html#action02]

<dom_scribe> Art's response

<scribe> ACTION: Kai to import his test cases on dev.w3.org [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-mwts-minutes.html#action03]

[2006/waf/widgets/tests/]

Dom: would be good if you could upload them in 2006/waf/widgets/tests/; may be good to upload generated zip files to that people can start looking at them

Topics: Cookies test suite

<scribe> ACTION: Wilhelm to look into opera's test suites for cookies [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action04] [PENDING]

Wilhelm: made more progress, still pending

Device Independent Testing Guidelines

<scribe> ACTION: Kai to contribute to the di guidelines (an example?) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action11] [DONE]

<dom_scribe> Kai's copy of the DI guidelines

Dom: you don't see much added value to the document as is compared to CSS Test Guidelines, right?

Kai: yeah - currently, it seems to mostly repeat the CSS guidelines
... not sure how to proceed
... I've started to ask myself what people got wrong in test cases for mobile
... can't really think of anything

Dom: we identified a few things when we reviewed perf tests (e.g. memory, number of requests, ...)

Kai: I think it is good to share our experience in the guidelines, e.g. javascript is likely broken

<scribe> ACTION: Dom to review the di guidelines [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action09] [PENDING]

Dom: [mentioning ideas of what could get in there]

<scribe> ACTION: Wilhelm to review the di guidelines [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action10] [PENDING]

Wilhelm: will send them by next week

Kai: would be good if Carmelo could give feedback on the comments I made
... It's kind of weird that we work both on highlighting issues in browsers, and then work on creating mobile-specific test cases

Dom: I think the two activities are complementary

http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/matrix

http://www.w3.org/DOM/Test/

<hendry> CSS testcases -- these ones ? http://testfest.openmobilealliance.org/CSS_Content/index.html ?

<hendry> not these http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Test/Mobile/1.0/current/ ?

Dom: [summarizing some of the issues encountered in the review of existing conformance test suites]
... feel free to edit it direclty

Web Compatibility Test

<scribe> ACTION: Kai to verify IE mobile with new inputmode/contenteditable tests [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-mwts-minutes.html#action11] [DONE]

<dom_scribe> Kai's findings

Dom: so IE Mobile fail both these tests, right?

Kai: yeah

Dom: so how comes it passed them in the WCTMB? have you figured it out?

<scribe> ACTION: Kai to check if IE Mobile passes contenteditable/inputmode in WCTMB or not [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-mwts-minutes.html#action09]

Dom: so, contenteditable still in html5, but inputmode on the verge to be removed?

Kai: only checked quickly - more generally, I think we need to keep an eye on what's still relevant and update WCTMB accordingly

<hendry> http://flickr.com/photos/hendry/3041236348/ # oh yes, 10 & 15 do pass. But Wilhem's test fail. So... we have a problem.

WCTMB blog

<hendry> http://dabase.com/mwts_blog_1/

<scribe> ACTION: Kai to propose a first "draft" of the white paper on WCTMB [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action14] [DONE]

<dom_scribe> Kai's draft blog post

Dom: I wasn't clear about your suggestion to submit scores - where to and from?

Kai: note that you can edit that page if you have an openId account

<scribe> ACTION: Dom to send feedback on the blog post [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-mwts-minutes.html#action11]

Kai: if we could submit the score automatically somewhere, it would be really useful

<scribe> ACTION: Dom to look into setting up a system to track scores of the WCTMB [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-mwts-minutes.html#action12]

<hendry> dumping a post to a 'date-ua' file like http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/cgi/test-tools/echo would be good

<scribe> ACTION: Kai to send details on his idea for a local blog system to Dom [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-mwts-minutes.html#action13] [DONE]

example: http://www.w3.org/2005/06/blog/MWITeam

<scribe> ACTION: Dom to set up a blog for MWTSWG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-mwts-minutes.html#action14]

Agreement on test suites with OMA

<scribe> ACTION: Wilhem to send Opera's feedback on OMA test suites [recorded inhttp://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action16] [PENDING] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-mwts-minutes.html#action15]

Wilhelm: will send something out - made progress

<scribe> ACTION: Dom to look back at OMA situation and report [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action15] [PENDING]

Next meetings

Wilhelm to Chair on Dec 9

RESOLUTION: no meeting on Dec 23rd and 30th

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Dom to look into setting up a system to track scores of the WCTMB [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-mwts-minutes.html#action12]
[NEW] ACTION: Dom to send feedback on the blog post [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-mwts-minutes.html#action11]
[NEW] ACTION: Dom to set up a blog for MWTSWG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-mwts-minutes.html#action14]
[NEW] ACTION: Kai to check if IE Mobile passes contenteditable/inputmode in WCTMB or not [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-mwts-minutes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: Kai to continue integrating his tests WTF [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-mwts-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Kai to import his test cases on dev.w3.org [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-mwts-minutes.html#action03]
 
[PENDING] ACTION: Dom to look back at OMA situation and report [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action15]
[PENDING] ACTION: Dom to review the di guidelines [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action09]
[PENDING] ACTION: Wilhelm to look into opera's test suites for cookies [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action04]
[PENDING] ACTION: Wilhelm to review the di guidelines [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action10]
[PENDING] ACTION: Wilhem to send Opera's feedback on OMA test suites [recorded inhttp://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action16] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-mwts-minutes.html#action15]
 
[DONE] ACTION: Kai to contribute to the di guidelines (an example?) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action11]
[DONE] ACTION: Kai to propose a first "draft" of the white paper on WCTMB [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action14]
[DONE] ACTION: Kai to send details on his idea for a local blog system to Dom [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-mwts-minutes.html#action13]
[DONE] ACTION: Kai to verify IE mobile with new inputmode/contenteditable tests [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-mwts-minutes.html#action11]
[DONE] ACTION: Wilhelm to follow up on widgets testing with Kai [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/04-mwts-minutes.html#action01]
 
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