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Minutes of 2 February 2004 TAG teleconference
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1. Administrative (20min)
- Roll call: SW, TBL, DC (Scribe), NW, CL, PC, RF, MJ, IJ. Regrets: DO, TB
The TAG welcomed the newest TAG participant: Mario Jeckle. Mario
is involved in Web Services Choreography, some Semantic Web stuff, and a
Grid services project, as well as other Working Groups (XML Schema, WSA,
DI, XMLP).
- Resolved to accept minutes of the 26 Jan teleconf
- Accepted this agenda
- Reminder: No meeting 16 Feb.
- Proposed next meeting: 9 Feb 2004 Videoconf. See agenda
proposal from SW
[DanC_desk]
- ... discussion of whether namespaceDocument-8 merits discussion
time... seems to merit ~ 1/2 hr...
- ... noting TBray's regrets
- SW reviews 9Feb agenda proposal... we seem to be closing about 2
or 3 issues per year; perhaps clustering would help
- DC: initial reaction: let's move admin out of our time
together
- SW: pls help me flesh out the technical stuff. DC: will do/try
PC: how about pending last call comments?
- DanC_desk: please don't put Ian in the critical path for
responding to comments
1.1 Technical Plenary
- Liaisons: In principle agreements and scheduling (see email
from Stuart):
- I18N
- XML Schema
- SVG
- HTML. See notes
from IJ
- Voice. See notes
from IJ
- XML Core
- WSDL
- Action SW 2003/11/15: Take to tech plenary committee the TAG's
proposal. See proposal
from Stuart.
- TAG ftf meeting observer requests (see email
from SW)
- TAG 2 Mar 2004 ftf
meeting page
[DanC_desk]
- SW: CL, do you expect I18N stuff to merit ftf time in Cannes?
- CL: no, I suppose not
- SW: SVG?
- CL: the SVG WG wants to meet and talk about linking, mixed
namespaces
- ACTION CL: propose a time for SVG/TAG to
meet in Cannes
- SW: XML Core? I suppose not
- [Zakim]
- Chris, you wanted to say "I thought we decided not to discuss linking
at tp"
- [DanC_desk]
- CL, RF express interest in presenting webarch to Tech Plenary
- SW: I expect TAG members participate in other panels for the next few
hours
- 1.1/3 TAG ftf meeting observer requests
- SW: sent mail; no negative commentary; intend to say OK to the few
requests I see
- 1.1/4 TAG 2 Mar 2004 ftf meeting page. noted.
1.2 TAG meeting schedule in 2004
- Action PC 2004/01/05: Propose meeting schedule for next 4 (or so) TAG
ftf meetings. Due: 23 Jan 2004. (Proposal
from PC)
- [DanC_desk]
- PC in sum: May (week before AC/WWW conf), ...
- PC I see responses from just three...
- CL I think I replied...
- SW: in sum, ftf May, July, Nov
- [Chris]
- CL actually replied privately to Paul and will send a reply to the
list
- [Norm]
- Note that XML 2004 is in November this year
- [DanC_desk]
- TBL: possible conflict with Ottowa
- [timbl]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2004Jan/0077.html
- [DanC_desk]
- NW: 12-14 May is what I see from PC's mail
- SW: I see conflicts with that
- NW: I propose 24-26 May.
- [Stuart]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2004Jan/0097.html
- [DanC_desk]
- "Wed-Fri May 12-14, F2F, Location TBD, (host TBD)" -- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2004Jan/0097.html
PC: so we're still collecting input.
2. Technical (70min)
See also open
actions by owner and open
issues.
2.1 Update on findings
- Action TBL 2004/01/05: Propose a new issue regarding canonicalization
to www-tag (Done).
PC to respond with pointers to relevant specifications (Done).
- [DanC_desk]
- SW: I wonder if this is something we should perhaps encourage XML
Core to take this up
- TBL: yes, that is the question...
- [TBL reviews 0013...]
- [DanC_desk]
- timbl: [... coordination... which group needs what? etc. ...]
- [Norm]
- Can I suggest that someone setup a meeting with SemWeb CG, I18N, and
me?
- [DanC_desk]
- TBL and PC discuss canonicalization, equivalence ...
- PC: ... fn:deep-equal in XQuery ... one man's equal is another man's
unequal...
- ... more discussion ...
- ... schema-aware canonicalization, wisdom thereof...
- DC parenthetically: I'm tempted to summarize input from PC and TBL
as: yes, pls make this a TAG issue. clearly they're happy to talk about
it in the presence of other TAG members.
- [timbl]
- Yes, defining a more acceptable canonicalization which picks up, for
example, the language, base, and namespaces and puts if necessary a
wrapper is a possible solution to this problem.
- [Zakim]
- DanC_desk, you wanted to offer to think out loud
- [timbl]
- Straw poll: New issue?
- Defn of issue: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2004Jan/0013.html
- [timbl]
- Need for a canonicaliztion at the XML + NS syntax level.
- [Chris]
- yes, that is clear enough (the discussion on the telcon was not clear
enough to poll on)
- [DanC_desk]
- CL: based on 113, looks worth a TAG issue
- [Ian_]
- (next available # is 44)
- [Chris]
- its an issue. 'how long is a piece of string' is an issue, but that
doesn't mean there is a single answer.
- Is the answer to "is x=y" is "why do you need to know"
- [Ian]
- Description? Short name?
- [DanC_desk]
- PROPOSED: xmlChunk-44
- [timbl]
- Support for XMLChunk-44: NW, RF, PC, DC, TBL, SW, MJ, CL
- [DanC_desk]
- RESOLVED. there is a new issue:
xmlChunk-44
- [timbl]
- A new issue is born, and takes its place in the crowd of issues.
- Title: "Chunk of XML" - Canonicalization and equality
- [Chris]
- +1 to meeting with xml core
- [DanC_desk]
- PC: reconsider our disinclination to meet with XML Core in
Cannes?
- [timbl]
- Metadata for issues list: iss:xmlChunk_44 dc:title "Chunk of XML -
Canonicalization and equality"; mtg:raised <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2004Jan/0013.html>;
mtg:discussed <>.
- [Norm]
ACTION NW: Summarize xmlChunk-44,
solicit input from www-tag.
ACTION NW: Coordinate joint meeting with XML
Core, notably around xmlChunk-44.
[Chris]
- http://www.w3.org/2002/06/charmod-lastcall2/
- [Stuart]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2004Feb/0008.html
- [DanC_desk]
- CL: reviews 0008, proposes we accept C128
- [Norm]
- That was from long ago, Stuart. It sounded reasonable to me.
- [DanC_desk]
- ACTION CL: respond as proposed
DC: If we made a decision, Connolly abstained.
The TAG did not discuss topics below this line at this
meeting.
2.4 Follow-up on namespaceDocument-8
3. Issues
Issues that are open and that we expect to close by the end of last
call:
4. Status report on these findings
See also TAG findings
5 Other action items
- Action RF 2003/10/08: Explain "identifies" in RFC 2396.
- Action DC 2003/11/15: Follow up on KeepPOSTRecords with Janet Daly on
how to raise awareness of this point (which is in CUAP).
- Action CL 2003/10/27: Draft XML mime type thingy with Murata-san
Ian Jacobs for Stuart Williams and TimBL
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