TAG Weekly

<plinss> http://www.w3.org/2006/tools/wiki/Zakim_Tips

<Ashok> scribenick: Ashok

Noah: Agenda is at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2012Sep/0075.html

<noahm> ACTION-650?

<trackbot> ACTION-650 -- Jonathan Rees to review what provenance WG is doing with an eye to application to privacy issues -- due 2012-09-22 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/650

Noah apologizes for state of the agenda

<noahm> close ACTION-650

<trackbot> ACTION-650 Review what provenance WG is doing with an eye to application to privacy issues closed

No objection to closing ACTION-650

Noah: Is any longterm followup needed?

Jar: Don't think so

<noahm> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/#inactive

<noahm> From the above: During 2011, the TAG attempted to frame a broad initiative under the tentative title "Privacy Friendly Web". A framework for a report was prepared but never elaborated. At it's 5 January 2012 F2F meeting, the TAG agreed not (for the moment) to do a major project on privacy. The TAG may or may not work on some particular technical issues that might help to address privacy concerns for the Web.

<JeniT> ScribeNick: JeniT

<noahm> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/

Fragids & Mime Types

<noahm> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/fragids-2012-09-26.html

<noahm> JT: That is updated.

<noahm> 1 June 2012: First Editorial Draft of Best Practices for Fragment Identifiers in Media Type Definitions for review at June F2F

<noahm> 26 July 2012: First Public Working Draft

<noahm> mid October 2012: Last Call Working Draft

<noahm> mid December 2012: Candidate Recommendation

<noahm> mid February 2013: Proposed Recommendation

<noahm> mid April 2013: Recommendation

<noahm> NM: One substantial session at F2F, leading to last call draft?

JT: One session will be fine

Publishing & Linking

<noahm> Latest http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/PublishingLinking-2012-05-04.html

<noahm> Seems out of date?

<noahm> JT: Since Ashok and Larry took that over, let's discuss when they're back

URI Documentation Discovery

<noahm> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/defininguris-2012-01-19.html

noah: I spoke to ht about this, and we should probably have one long session, or two, at the F2F
... product page seems to be from January?

jar: I updated in June/July, and will update again in next couple of days
... I emailed link earlier today

noah: Could you link it from the index page?

jar: Yes, I will

noah: Is there anything we need to review now?

jar: No, leave until F2F

Privacy by Design in APIs

noah: This was Robin's and he's leaving

<noahm> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/apiminimization-2012-06-08.html

noah: So we need to discuss

<noahm> Needs discussion at F2F

noah: It's possible that DanA will visit for a session

<Ashok> scribenick: Ashok

XML/HTML Unification

<noahm> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/htmlxmlunification-2012-01-12.html

<noahm> Key deliverables with dates:

<noahm> Report on use cases from the HTML / XML unification subgroup (Date: 30 September 2011 for final version)

<noahm> Maybe: further work on particular solutions, depending on conclusions reached from the use case report.

<noahm> Complete report circulated for community review (1 February 2012)

<noahm> Final report incorporating responses to community review (Date TBD)

<noahm> Schedules:

<noahm> Note: a preliminary draft report was published by Norm Walsh on 22 March 2011

<noahm> 1 February 2012: Complete draft report published by the TAG for community review

<noahm> 1 April 2012: TAG achieves success criteria set out above, and identifies further goals and next steps, if any (note, this date was moved by the chair to correspond to the February draft publication date)

<noahm> TAG Members assigned:

<noahm> Tim Berners-Lee, Noah Mendelsohn

<noahm> Former TAG member Norm Walsh has generously agreed to chair a subgroup, consisting of experts in XML, HTML, and with systems that use those technologies.

<noahm> ACTION: Noah to check with Norm Walsh on closing out HTML/XML unification work [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/09/27-minutes#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-741 - Check with Norm Walsh on closing out HTML/XML unification work [on Noah Mendelsohn - due 2012-10-04].

Noah: Anyone think we should not wrap this up?
... need to check with Larry. He had some concerns about closing this item.

Update to W3C Architecture Pages

Noah: Jeni did one

Persistence of Identifiers

<noahm> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/persistence-2012-01-23.html

Jeni: People will get freed up as we progress on other items

Noah: No schedules, no deliverables

jar: No one is waiting for this

<noahm> Lateness computation gives divide by zero exception

jar: I will update product page

<noahm> Not enough new for F2F.

Web App Storage

Ashok: I thought we should start with a design for offline apps

jar: The objectives matrix should help us decide if this is useful
... someone else should take this forward

ht: We should have a session on storage and put the matrix in front of it

Noah: Jonathan, could you flesh out the agenda and cross-reference storage from the matrix

<noahm> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/10/07-agenda

Noah: Please look at above agenda and comment

<noahm> ACTION-726?

<trackbot> ACTION-726 -- Jonathan Rees to make a list of questions to which webarch and the findings suggest answers, as input to possible 'study design' and/or communication to chairs etc. -- due 2012-09-17 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/726

Pending and Overdue Actions

<noahm> ACTION-738?

<trackbot> ACTION-738 -- Noah Mendelsohn to only if there's e-mail news: schedule another discussion of World Wide Web Objectives Matrix per ACTION-726 -- due 2012-09-25 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/738

<noahm> close ACTION-726

<trackbot> ACTION-726 Make a list of questions to which webarch and the findings suggest answers, as input to possible 'study design' and/or communication to chairs etc. closed

<noahm> close ACTION-738

<trackbot> ACTION-738 Only if there's e-mail news: schedule another discussion of World Wide Web Objectives Matrix per ACTION-726 closed

<noahm> ACTION-686?

<trackbot> ACTION-686 -- Robin Berjon to try to find who is in charge of the current browser content sniffing clustermess, and see if there is a way of moving out of the quagmire -- due 2012-09-18 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/686

<noahm> ACTION-713?

<trackbot> ACTION-713 -- Robin Berjon to incorporate into Privacy document "There are concerns wrt protocols and privacy, there are concerns wrt APIs and privacy. We're working on APIs, IETF are working on protocols, we will collaborate and try to converge at least on terminology going forward" -- due 2012-09-13 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/713

Ashok: Larry may be interested

<noahm> Noah to make sure Privacy gets reassigned or closed at F2F

<noahm> ACTION-713?

<trackbot> ACTION-713 -- Robin Berjon to incorporate into Privacy document "There are concerns wrt protocols and privacy, there are concerns wrt APIs and privacy. We're working on APIs, IETF are working on protocols, we will collaborate and try to converge at least on terminology going forward" -- due 2012-09-13 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/713

<noahm> ACTION-715?

<trackbot> ACTION-715 -- Robin Berjon to prepare draft FPWD of some patterns for privacy in APIs, to be reviewed by TAG and published -- due 2012-09-13 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/715

<noahm> ACTION-714?

<trackbot> ACTION-714 -- Yves Lafon to communicate that tThe TAG thinks the W3C should have a working group working on Privacy, with scope to include the area covered by the "Some Patterns..." document currently under development in the TAG -- due 2012-09-11 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/714

Noah: Yves, I dumped this on you

Yves: I can do it tomorrow

<noahm> ACTION-543?

<trackbot> ACTION-543 -- Peter Linss to propose addition to Fragid draft to discuss sem-web use of fragids not grounded in media type -- due 2012-09-26 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/543

<noahm> ACTION-472?

<trackbot> ACTION-472 -- Larry Masinter to update the mime-draft based on comments & review -- due 2011-07-30 -- CLOSED

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/472

<noahm> ACTION-543?

<trackbot> ACTION-543 -- Peter Linss to propose addition to Fragid draft to discuss sem-web use of fragids not grounded in media type -- due 2012-09-26 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/543

<noahm> ACTION-717?

<trackbot> ACTION-717 -- Ashok Malhotra to propose outline for possible TAG document (finding or rec) on architectural issues relating to storage sync, linked data, etc. Due 2012-07-15 -- due 2012-09-01 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/717

<noahm> ACTION-717 Due 2012-10-10

<trackbot> ACTION-717 Propose outline for possible TAG document (finding or rec) on architectural issues relating to storage sync, linked data, etc. Due 2012-07-15 due date now 2012-10-10

<noahm> ACTION-718?

<trackbot> ACTION-718 -- Ashok Malhotra to propose goals and success critera for TAG work on architectural issues relating to storage sync, linked data, etc. -- due 2012-09-11 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/718

<noahm> ACTION-718 Due 2012-10-10

<trackbot> ACTION-718 Propose goals and success critera for TAG work on architectural issues relating to storage sync, linked data, etc. due date now 2012-10-10

Please keep open till f2f

<noahm> ACTION-736?

<trackbot> ACTION-736 -- Noah Mendelsohn to prod Henry on ACTION-724 for F2F -- due 2012-09-06 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/736

<noahm> ACTION-724?

<trackbot> ACTION-724 -- Henry Thompson to investigate possible TAG efforts on URI scheme proliferation and extension points -- due 2012-08-01 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/724

<jar> The topic is mentioned in my agenda notes: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/10/07-agenda

ht: I can prepare material for discussion at f2f

Noah: I will schedule an hour

<noahm> We will schedule an hour at F2F on URI schemes: per ACTION-724, Henry will frame this for discussion

<noahm> ACTION-701?

<trackbot> ACTION-701 -- Noah Mendelsohn to follow up with Robin on election reform -- due 2012-08-01 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/701

<noahm> Comment says: Nothing can be done on this until Robin moves on his ACTION-700. Bumping the date.

<noahm> Noah Mendelsohn, 8 May 2012, 18:32:53

<noahm> ACTION-700?

<trackbot> ACTION-700 -- Robin Berjon to send note to tag@ that he will send later to the AB (as himself) proposing the changes to electoral proceedings -- due 2012-11-30 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/700

ht: Why didn't we just forward this to the AB? They own the area.

Noah: Robin can do this when he wants ... does not need TAG

jar: We can forward to Ian in any case

<noahm> HT: The concern was: if you really favor one candidate, then there is an incentive to vote for that candidate >only< and none other.

Ashok: That was it ... I remember that

<ht> HST: That then reduces the value of your vote, as you don't get to indicate any preference wrt other candidates

Noah: Someone should draft a short note and if it needs to go under the aegis of the TAG we can review

<ht> ACTION Henry to excavate a statement of the problem from email/minutes that we can consider as a basis for email to the AB

<trackbot> Created ACTION-742 - Excavate a statement of the problem from email/minutes that we can consider as a basis for email to the AB [on Henry Thompson - due 2012-10-04].

<noahm> ACTION-734?

<trackbot> ACTION-734 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule discussion of vendor prefixes (ACTION-711) at F2F -- due 2012-09-20 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/734

<noahm> Noah needs to flesh out F2F session vendor prefixes.

Noah: It is in Jonathan's "we might do these" list

<noahm> PL: Nothing new

jar: Peter, you are on the hook to do something

<jar> action-711?

<trackbot> ACTION-711 -- Peter Linss to report on CSS WG plans for documenting policies relating to deployment and withdrawal of vendor-prefixed identifiers -- due 2012-10-02 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/711

<noahm> ACTION-711?

<trackbot> ACTION-711 -- Peter Linss to report on CSS WG plans for documenting policies relating to deployment and withdrawal of vendor-prefixed identifiers -- due 2012-10-02 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/711

jar: Peter just changed the due date on the action ... let's wait until after f2f

<noahm> ACTION-723?

<trackbot> ACTION-723 -- Noah Mendelsohn to record final closing of work on HTML/XML Unification in product page -- due 2012-08-01 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/723

<noahm> ACTION-723 Due 2012-12-20

<trackbot> ACTION-723 Record final closing of work on HTML/XML Unification in product page due date now 2012-12-20

Meta discussion about discussing overdue actions

<noahm> ACTION-563?

<trackbot> ACTION-563 -- Noah Mendelsohn to arrange for periodic TAG key issues reports to Jeff per June 2011 F2F -- due 2012-09-25 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/563

Noah: We owe Jeff another report ... I'm inclined to add that to the action

<noahm> ACTION: Noah to schedule F2F discussion of issues report to Jeff Jaffe, see ACTION-563 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/09/27-minutes#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-743 - Schedule F2F discussion of issues report to Jeff Jaffe, see ACTION-563 [on Noah Mendelsohn - due 2012-10-04].

<noahm> ACTION-478?

<trackbot> ACTION-478 -- Jonathan Rees to prepare a second draft of a finding on persistence of references, to be based on decision tree from Oct. 2010 F2F -- due 2012-09-17 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/478

<noahm> ACTION-704?

<trackbot> ACTION-704 -- Jonathan Rees to with help from Jeni and Henry to try to identify next steps for moving forward on httpRange-14 -- due 2012-09-17 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/704

<noahm> ACTION-682?

<trackbot> ACTION-682 -- Jonathan Rees to suggest to TAG sections of HTTPbis specification that TAG should review -- due 2012-09-25 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/682

Noah: Let's change the title of this action

<noahm> ACTION-682?

<trackbot> ACTION-682 -- Jonathan Rees to when HTTPbis group says time is right, suggest to TAG sections of HTTPbis specification that TAG should review -- due 2012-09-25 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/682

<noahm> ACTION-201?

<trackbot> ACTION-201 -- Jonathan Rees to report on status of AWWSW discussions -- due 2012-09-17 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/201

<noahm> ACTION-725?

<trackbot> ACTION-725 -- Jeni Tennison to with help from Peter, to create big picture overview coming out of analysis of TAG effectiveness -- due 2012-06-21 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/725

<noahm> ACTION-672?

<trackbot> ACTION-672 -- Jeni Tennison to work with PLH to create W3C-sponsored registry of HTML extensions, and get that referenced from HTML media type registration, per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2012Jan/0048.html -- due 2012-05-29 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/672

<noahm> ACTION-33?

<trackbot> ACTION-33 -- Henry Thompson to revise naming challenges story in response to Dec 2008 F2F discussion -- due 2013-01-01 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/33

<noahm> Opened 2007-08-29

<noahm> NM: Right to leave it open?

<noahm> ACTION-635?

<trackbot> ACTION-635 -- Henry Thompson to update product page for Frag IDS and Mime types, to include realistic goals and dates -- due 2012-09-11 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/635

<noahm> close ACTION-635

<trackbot> ACTION-635 Update product page for Frag IDS and Mime types, to include realistic goals and dates closed

<noahm> ACTION-666?

<trackbot> ACTION-666 -- Henry Thompson to update http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/persistence-2012-01-23.html to reflect agreement on 26 January telcon regarding settling at F2F -- due 2012-09-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/666

<noahm> ACTION-666?

<trackbot> ACTION-666 -- Henry Thompson to update http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/persistence-2012-01-23.html to reflect agreement on 26 January telcon regarding settling at F2F -- due 2012-09-01 -- CLOSED

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/666

<noahm> ACTION-708?

<trackbot> ACTION-708 -- Henry Thompson to check with Chris Lilley on likely near term progress of RFC 3023bis -- due 2012-09-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/708

<noahm> Noah to ensure Henry gets F2F slot on ACTION-708

<jar> HT requests session at F2F. There are 3 action items open: 708, 564, and 689.

<noahm> All at F2F.

<jar> HT will be able to report on this topic at F2F. Let's close all 3 actions (essentially the same) at the F2F.

Noah: Next week's meeting will probably be cancelled, but don't want to cancel just yet

Discussion about f2f logistics

<ht> BTW, for journey planning in london: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/

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