17:00:44 RRSAgent has joined #tagmem 17:00:44 logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/09/27-tagmem-irc 17:00:52 Zakim has joined #tagmem 17:01:02 zakim, this will be tag 17:01:02 ok, plinss, I see TAG_Weekly()1:00PM already started 17:01:11 jar has joined #tagmem 17:01:16 Ashok has joined #tagmem 17:01:23 +[IPcaller] 17:01:36 +??P2 17:01:50 +Yves 17:02:40 zakim, mute ?? 17:02:40 ??P2 should now be muted 17:02:49 yes jeni 17:02:58 http://www.w3.org/2006/tools/wiki/Zakim_Tips 17:03:00 zakim, ?? is me 17:03:00 +ht; got it 17:03:15 Do we have a scribe, or should I look who's next? 17:03:25 No idea 17:05:59 +??P1 17:06:58 +TimBL 17:07:01 ack ht 17:07:27 zakim, who is here? 17:07:27 On the phone I see plinss, JeniT, ht, Yves, NoahM, TimBL 17:07:29 On IRC I see Ashok, jar, Zakim, RRSAgent, noahm, JeniT, noah, timbl, ht, trackbot, plinss, Yves 17:07:30 -ht 17:07:32 +Ashok_Malhotra 17:08:05 scribenick: Ashok 17:08:15 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2012Sep/0075.html 17:08:45 Noah: Agenda is at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2012Sep/0075.html 17:09:01 ACTION-650? 17:09:01 ACTION-650 -- Jonathan Rees to review what provenance WG is doing with an eye to application to privacy issues -- due 2012-09-22 -- PENDINGREVIEW 17:09:01 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/650 17:09:02 Noah apologizes for state of the agenda 17:09:36 close ACTION-650 17:09:36 ACTION-650 Review what provenance WG is doing with an eye to application to privacy issues closed 17:09:38 + +1.617.209.aaaa 17:09:46 zakim, aaaa is jar 17:09:46 +jar; got it 17:09:53 zakim, jar has ht 17:09:53 +ht; got it 17:09:54 No objection to closing ACTION-650 17:10:20 Noah: Is any longtrem followup needed? 17:10:31 Jar: Don't think so 17:10:47 s/longtrem/longterm/ 17:11:03 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/#inactive 17:11:15 From the above: During 2011, the TAG attempted to frame a broad initiative under the tentative title "Privacy Friendly Web". A framework for a report was prepared but never elaborated. At it's 5 January 2012 F2F meeting, the TAG agreed not (for the moment) to do a major project on privacy. The TAG may or may not work on some particular technical issues that might help to address privacy concerns for the Web. 17:11:58 ScribeNick: JeniT 17:12:07 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/ 17:12:51 Topic: Fragids & Mime Types 17:13:04 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/fragids-2012-09-26.html 17:13:10 JT: That is updated. 17:13:25 1 June 2012: First Editorial Draft of Best Practices for Fragment Identifiers in Media Type Definitions for review at June F2F 17:13:25 26 July 2012: First Public Working Draft 17:13:25 mid October 2012: Last Call Working Draft 17:13:25 mid December 2012: Candidate Recommendation 17:13:25 mid February 2013: Proposed Recommendation 17:13:26 mid April 2013: Recommendation 17:14:01 NM: One substantial session at F2F, leading to last call draft? 17:14:48 JT: one session will be fine 17:14:54 Topic: Publishing & Linking 17:15:02 Latest http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/PublishingLinking-2012-05-04.html 17:15:08 Seems out of date? 17:15:26 JT: Since Ashok and Larry took that over, let's discuss when they're back 17:15:54 Topic: URI Documentation Discovery 17:16:20 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/defininguris-2012-01-19.html 17:16:24 noah: I spoke to ht about this, and we should probably have one long session, or two, at the F2F 17:16:33 ... product page seems to be from January? 17:16:42 jar: I updated in June/July, and will update again in next couple of days 17:16:52 ... I emailed link earlier today 17:17:03 noah: could you link it from the index page? 17:17:08 jar: yes, I will 17:17:25 noah: is there anything we need to review now? 17:17:30 jar: no, leave until F2F 17:18:02 Topic: Privacy by Design in APIs 17:18:09 noah: this was Robin's and he's leaving 17:18:14 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/apiminimization-2012-06-08.html 17:18:15 ... so we need to discuss 17:18:19 Needs discussion at F2F 17:18:43 ... it's possible that DanA will visit for a session 17:18:52 scribenick: Ashok 17:18:52 ScribeNick: Ashok 17:19:19 Topic: XML/HTML Unification 17:19:21 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/htmlxmlunification-2012-01-12.html 17:19:31 Key deliverables with dates: 17:19:31 Report on use cases from the HTML / XML unification subgroup (Date: 30 September 2011 for final version) 17:19:31 Maybe: further work on particular solutions, depending on conclusions reached from the use case report. 17:19:31 Complete report circulated for community review (1 February 2012) 17:19:31 Final report incorporating responses to community review (Date TBD) 17:19:42 Schedules: 17:19:42 Note: a preliminary draft report was published by Norm Walsh on 22 March 2011 17:19:42 1 February 2012: Complete draft report published by the TAG for community review 17:19:43 1 April 2012: TAG achieves success criteria set out above, and identifies further goals and next steps, if any (note, this date was moved by the chair to correspond to the February draft publication date) 17:19:51 TAG Members assigned: 17:19:51 Tim Berners-Lee, Noah Mendelsohn 17:19:51 Former TAG member Norm Walsh has generously agreed to chair a subgroup, consisting of experts in XML, HTML, and with systems that use those technologies. 17:20:35 ACTION: Noah to check with Norm Walsh on closing out HTML/XML unification work 17:20:35 Created ACTION-741 - Check with Norm Walsh on closing out HTML/XML unification work [on Noah Mendelsohn - due 2012-10-04]. 17:20:39 Noah: Anyone think we should not wrap this up? 17:21:17 ... need to check with Larry. He had some concerns about closing this item. 17:21:53 Topic: Update to W3C Architecture Pages 17:22:03 Noah: Jeni did one 17:22:21 Topic: Persistence of Identifiers 17:23:02 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/persistence-2012-01-23.html 17:23:11 Jeni: People will get freed up as we progress on pther items 17:23:27 Noah: No schedules, no deliverables 17:23:38 jar: No one is waiting for this 17:23:38 Lateness computation gives divide by zero exception 17:23:55 jar: I will update product page 17:24:10 Not enough new for F2F. 17:24:56 topic: Web App Storage 17:26:36 Ashok: I thought we should start with a design for offline apps 17:27:09 jar: The objectives matrix should help us decide if this is useful 17:27:43 ... someone else should take this forward 17:28:24 ht: We should have a session on sorage and put the matrix in front of it 17:28:59 Noah: Joanthan, could you flesh out the aganda and cross-reference storage from the matrix 17:29:18 s/Joanthan/Jonathan/ 17:29:55 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/10/07-agenda 17:30:00 s/pther/other/ 17:30:34 Noah: Please look at above agenda and comment 17:31:05 ACTION-726? 17:31:05 ACTION-726 -- Jonathan Rees to make a list of questions to which webarch and the findings suggest answers, as input to possible 'study design' and/or communication to chairs etc. -- due 2012-09-17 -- PENDINGREVIEW 17:31:05 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/726 17:31:07 Topic: Pending and Overdue Actions 17:31:12 ACTION-738? 17:31:12 ACTION-738 -- Noah Mendelsohn to only if there's e-mail news: schedule another discussion of World Wide Web Objectives Matrix per ACTION-726 -- due 2012-09-25 -- PENDINGREVIEW 17:31:12 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/738 17:31:53 close ACTION-726 17:31:53 ACTION-726 Make a list of questions to which webarch and the findings suggest answers, as input to possible 'study design' and/or communication to chairs etc. closed 17:31:56 close ACTION-738 17:31:56 ACTION-738 Only if there's e-mail news: schedule another discussion of World Wide Web Objectives Matrix per ACTION-726 closed 17:32:54 ACTION-686? 17:32:54 ACTION-686 -- Robin Berjon to try to find who is in charge of the current browser content sniffing clustermess, and see if there is a way of moving out of the quagmire -- due 2012-09-18 -- OPEN 17:32:54 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/686 17:33:17 -jar 17:33:33 ACTION-713? 17:33:33 ACTION-713 -- Robin Berjon to incorporate into Privacy document "There are concerns wrt protocols and privacy, there are concerns wrt APIs and privacy. We're working on APIs, IETF are working on protocols, we will collaborate and try to converge at least on terminology going forward" -- due 2012-09-13 -- OPEN 17:33:33 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/713 17:33:57 Ashok: Larry may be interested 17:34:27 Noah to make sure Privacy gets reassigned or closed at F2F 17:34:45 ACTION-713? 17:34:45 ACTION-713 -- Robin Berjon to incorporate into Privacy document "There are concerns wrt protocols and privacy, there are concerns wrt APIs and privacy. We're working on APIs, IETF are working on protocols, we will collaborate and try to converge at least on terminology going forward" -- due 2012-09-13 -- OPEN 17:34:45 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/713 17:34:48 ACTION-715? 17:34:48 ACTION-715 -- Robin Berjon to prepare draft FPWD of some patterns for privacy in APIs, to be reviewed by TAG and published -- due 2012-09-13 -- OPEN 17:34:49 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/715 17:34:58 ACTION-714? 17:34:58 ACTION-714 -- Yves Lafon to communicate that tThe TAG thinks the W3C should have a working group working on Privacy, with scope to include the area covered by the "Some Patterns..." document currently under development in the TAG -- due 2012-09-11 -- OPEN 17:34:58 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/714 17:35:08 Noah: I dumped this on you 17:35:16 Yves: I can do it tomorrow 17:35:23 ACTION-543? 17:35:23 ACTION-543 -- Peter Linss to propose addition to Fragid draft to discuss sem-web use of fragids not grounded in media type -- due 2012-09-26 -- OPEN 17:35:23 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/543 17:35:34 jar has joined #tagmem 17:37:04 +Jonathan_Rees 17:37:34 ACTION-472? 17:37:34 ACTION-472 -- Larry Masinter to update the mime-draft based on comments & review -- due 2011-07-30 -- CLOSED 17:37:34 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/472 17:37:41 jar has joined #tagmem 17:37:46 ACTION-543? 17:37:46 ACTION-543 -- Peter Linss to propose addition to Fragid draft to discuss sem-web use of fragids not grounded in media type -- due 2012-09-26 -- OPEN 17:37:46 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/543 17:37:53 -Jonathan_Rees 17:38:09 +Jonathan_Rees 17:38:25 zakim, Jon is jar 17:38:26 +jar; got it 17:38:39 ACTION-717? 17:38:39 ACTION-717 -- Ashok Malhotra to propose outline for possible TAG document (finding or rec) on architectural issues relating to storage sync, linked data, etc. Due 2012-07-15 -- due 2012-09-01 -- OPEN 17:38:39 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/717 17:39:00 ACTION-717 Due 2012-10-10 17:39:00 ACTION-717 Propose outline for possible TAG document (finding or rec) on architectural issues relating to storage sync, linked data, etc. Due 2012-07-15 due date now 2012-10-10 17:39:16 ACTION-718? 17:39:16 ACTION-718 -- Ashok Malhotra to propose goals and success critera for TAG work on architectural issues relating to storage sync, linked data, etc. -- due 2012-09-11 -- OPEN 17:39:16 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/718 17:39:26 ACTION-718 Due 2012-10-10 17:39:26 ACTION-718 Propose goals and success critera for TAG work on architectural issues relating to storage sync, linked data, etc. due date now 2012-10-10 17:39:36 Please keep open till f2f 17:39:38 ACTION-736? 17:39:38 ACTION-736 -- Noah Mendelsohn to prod Henry on ACTION-724 for F2F -- due 2012-09-06 -- OPEN 17:39:38 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/736 17:39:51 ACTION-724? 17:39:51 ACTION-724 -- Henry Thompson to investigate possible TAG efforts on URI scheme proliferation and extension points -- due 2012-08-01 -- OPEN 17:39:51 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/724 17:41:06 The topic is mentioned in my agenda notes: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/10/07-agenda 17:41:27 ht: I can prepare material for discussion at f2f 17:41:36 Noah: I will schedule an hour 17:41:45 We will schedule an hour at F2F on URI schemes: per ACTION-724, Henry will frame this for discussion 17:42:00 ACTION-701? 17:42:01 ACTION-701 -- Noah Mendelsohn to follow up with Robin on election reform -- due 2012-08-01 -- OPEN 17:42:01 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/701 17:42:56 Comment says: Nothing can be done on this until Robin moves on his ACTION-700. Bumping the date. 17:42:56 Noah Mendelsohn, 8 May 2012, 18:32:53 17:43:14 ACTION-700? 17:43:14 ACTION-700 -- Robin Berjon to send note to tag@ that he will send later to the AB (as himself) proposing the changes to electoral proceedings -- due 2012-11-30 -- OPEN 17:43:14 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/700 17:43:20 ht: Why didn't we just forward this to the AB? They own the area. 17:43:55 Noah: Robin can do this when he wants ... does not need TAG 17:44:23 jar: We can forward to Ian in any case 17:45:09 -JeniT 17:45:10 HT: The concern was: if you really favor one candidate, then there is an incentive to vote for that candidate >only< and none other. 17:45:36 Ashok: That was it ... I remember that 17:45:44 HST: That then reduces the value of your vote, as you don't get to indicate any preference wrt other candidates 17:46:20 Noah: Someone should draft a short note and if it needs to go under the aegis of the TAG we can review 17:46:46 ACTION henry to excavate a statement of the problem from email/minutes that we can consider as a basis for email to the AB 17:46:46 Created ACTION-742 - Excavate a statement of the problem from email/minutes that we can consider as a basis for email to the AB [on Henry Thompson - due 2012-10-04]. 17:47:34 ACTION-734? 17:47:35 ACTION-734 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule discussion of vendor prefixes (ACTION-711) at F2F -- due 2012-09-20 -- OPEN 17:47:35 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/734 17:48:08 Noah needs to flesh out F2F session vendor prefixes. 17:48:19 Noah: It is in Jonathan's "we might do these" list 17:48:56 PL: Nothing new 17:49:16 jar: Peter you are on the hook to do something 17:49:28 action-711? 17:49:28 ACTION-711 -- Peter Linss to report on CSS WG plans for documenting policies relating to deployment and withdrawal of vendor-prefixed identifiers -- due 2012-10-02 -- OPEN 17:49:28 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/711 17:50:36 ACTION-711? 17:50:36 ACTION-711 -- Peter Linss to report on CSS WG plans for documenting policies relating to deployment and withdrawal of vendor-prefixed identifiers -- due 2012-10-02 -- OPEN 17:50:36 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/711 17:50:48 jar: Peter just changed the due date on the action ... let's wait until f2f 17:51:12 ACTION-723? 17:51:12 ACTION-723 -- Noah Mendelsohn to record final closing of work on HTML/XML Unification in product page -- due 2012-08-01 -- OPEN 17:51:12 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/723 17:51:26 ACTION-723 Due 2012-12-20 17:51:26 ACTION-723 Record final closing of work on HTML/XML Unification in product page due date now 2012-12-20 17:52:56 s/until f2f/until after f2f/ 17:53:33 meta discussion about discussing overdue actions 17:53:44 ACTION-563? 17:53:44 ACTION-563 -- Noah Mendelsohn to arrange for periodic TAG key issues reports to Jeff per June 2011 F2F -- due 2012-09-25 -- OPEN 17:53:44 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/563 17:54:51 Noah: We owe Jeff another report ... I'm inclined to add that to the action 17:55:14 ACTION: Noah to schedule F2F discussion of issues report to Jeff Jaffe, see ACTION-563 17:55:14 Created ACTION-743 - Schedule F2F discussion of issues report to Jeff Jaffe, see ACTION-563 [on Noah Mendelsohn - due 2012-10-04]. 17:55:27 ACTION-478? 17:55:27 ACTION-478 -- Jonathan Rees to prepare a second draft of a finding on persistence of references, to be based on decision tree from Oct. 2010 F2F -- due 2012-09-17 -- OPEN 17:55:27 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/478 17:55:49 ACTION-704? 17:55:49 ACTION-704 -- Jonathan Rees to with help from Jeni and Henry to try to identify next steps for moving forward on httpRange-14 -- due 2012-09-17 -- OPEN 17:55:49 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/704 17:56:00 ACTION-682? 17:56:00 ACTION-682 -- Jonathan Rees to suggest to TAG sections of HTTPbis specification that TAG should review -- due 2012-09-25 -- OPEN 17:56:00 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/682 17:56:47 Noah: Let's change the title of thos action 17:56:54 s/thos/this/ 17:57:02 ACTION-682? 17:57:02 ACTION-682 -- Jonathan Rees to when HTTPbis group says time is right, suggest to TAG sections of HTTPbis specification that TAG should review -- due 2012-09-25 -- OPEN 17:57:02 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/682 17:57:28 ACTION-201? 17:57:28 ACTION-201 -- Jonathan Rees to report on status of AWWSW discussions -- due 2012-09-17 -- OPEN 17:57:28 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/201 17:57:41 ACTION-725? 17:57:41 ACTION-725 -- Jeni Tennison to with help from Peter, to create big picture overview coming out of analysis of TAG effectiveness -- due 2012-06-21 -- OPEN 17:57:41 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/725 17:58:20 ACTION-672? 17:58:20 ACTION-672 -- Jeni Tennison to work with PLH to create W3C-sponsored registry of HTML extensions, and get that referenced from HTML media type registration, per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2012Jan/0048.html -- due 2012-05-29 -- OPEN 17:58:20 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/672 17:58:35 ACTION-33? 17:58:35 ACTION-33 -- Henry Thompson to revise naming challenges story in response to Dec 2008 F2F discussion -- due 2013-01-01 -- OPEN 17:58:35 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/33 17:59:30 Opened 2007-08-29 17:59:50 NM: Right to leave it open? 18:00:10 ACTION-635? 18:00:10 ACTION-635 -- Henry Thompson to update product page for Frag IDS and Mime types, to include realistic goals and dates -- due 2012-09-11 -- PENDINGREVIEW 18:00:10 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/635 18:00:46 close ACTION-635 18:00:46 ACTION-635 Update product page for Frag IDS and Mime types, to include realistic goals and dates closed 18:00:58 ACTION-666? 18:00:58 ACTION-666 -- Henry Thompson to update http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/persistence-2012-01-23.html to reflect agreement on 26 January telcon regarding settling at F2F -- due 2012-09-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW 18:00:58 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/666 18:01:07 ACTION-666? 18:01:07 ACTION-666 -- Henry Thompson to update http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/persistence-2012-01-23.html to reflect agreement on 26 January telcon regarding settling at F2F -- due 2012-09-01 -- CLOSED 18:01:07 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/666 18:01:14 ACTION-708? 18:01:14 ACTION-708 -- Henry Thompson to check with Chris Lilley on likely near term progress of RFC 3023bis -- due 2012-09-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW 18:01:14 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/708 18:02:25 Noah to ensure Henry gets F2F slot on ACTION-708 18:02:37 HT requests session at F2F. There are 3 action items open: 708, 564, and 689. 18:03:00 All at F2F. 18:03:07 HT will be able to report on this topic at F2F. Let's close all 3 actions (essentially the same) at the F2F. 18:05:19 Noah: Next week's meeting will probably be cancelled, but don't want to cancel just yet 18:07:00 Discussion about f2f logistics 18:07:51 BTW, for journey planning in london: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/ 18:08:42 ADJOURNED 18:08:53 rrsagent, make logs public 18:09:01 -NoahM 18:09:06 rrsagent, pointer 18:09:06 See http://www.w3.org/2012/09/27-tagmem-irc#T18-09-06 18:09:08 -jar 18:09:10 -plinss 18:09:12 -Ashok_Malhotra 18:42:09 noah has joined #tagmem 18:42:09 noahm has joined #tagmem 18:57:31 noah has joined #tagmem 18:57:31 noahm has joined #tagmem 19:54:17 ht, http://blog.priceonomics.com/post/30393216796/what-happens-to-stolen-bicycles 19:57:29 timbl_ has joined #tagmem 20:29:13 noah has joined #tagmem 20:29:17 noahm has joined #tagmem 20:59:18 -Yves 21:04:19 disconnecting the lone participant, TimBL, in TAG_Weekly()1:00PM 21:04:20 TAG_Weekly()1:00PM has ended 21:04:20 Attendees were plinss, Yves, JeniT, ht, NoahM, TimBL, Ashok_Malhotra, +1.617.209.aaaa, Jonathan_Rees, jar 21:07:09 Zakim has left #tagmem 21:08:46 Access by car is very difficult due to the local one-way system. There are no car parking facilities at BCS London. The nearest car park is located on Drury lane, Parker Street, Parker Mews, London, WC2B 5NT. 21:08:47 The rear door in Exeter Street is to be used for deliveries only and is normally locked. 21:08:48 The main entrance is fully accessible to wheelchair users and should be used by all staff and visitors. 21:08:48 On arrival, report to the Davidson Building Reception who will direct you to the first floor. 21:09:06 http://www.epsg.org.uk/locations/bcsss-guide.html 22:39:00 noah has joined #tagmem 22:39:08 noahm has joined #tagmem 22:57:02 jar has joined #tagmem 23:09:36 ht has joined #tagmem 23:22:08 timbl has joined #tagmem