TTWG January 2019 Face to Face meeting

This page shows details of attendance and the agenda for the TTWG face to face meeting in Geneva January 2019

Joining details

Date

Thursday January 31st(08:30-17:00 CET) and February 1st 2019 (08:30-13:30 CET).

See 08:30 CET on the 31st in your time zone.

We will aim to make the days reasonably full, for example starting at 08:30 on jan 31st to allow time for arrival, setup etc and ending after lunch on Feb 1st to allow for return or onward travel, assuming all are able to make this schedule.

Location

EBU, Geneva European Broadcasting Union L'Ancienne-Route 17A Postal Box 45 1218 Le Grand-Saconnex / Geneva SWITZERLAND
Getting to the EBU (.pdf)

Participation

1st day: January 31 st. This day will be a TTWG meeting but people from EBU group may join the meeting as Observers. People from EBU wanting to attend this first day should contact the TTWG Chair; Nigel or the TTWG Team contact; Thierry. Observers should also be aware of the IPR considerations that apply.

2nd day: February 01st. The morning will be a joint meeting with EBU Timed Text members and TTWG members, mainly discuss the further process and activity on the live subtitling use case and how to use EBU-TT Live and what work can be done together.

Cost

There is no fee associated with attending this meeting.

Dinner & Lunch

There will be a Working Group Diner on Wednesday evening 30th. It may also be a good idea to have dinner on Thursday Jan 31. Members of the EBU Timed Text group may also join us. Please fill doodle for both dates. Please indicate interest and availability as soon as possible.

Restaurant and location TbD.

Lunch has been requested for 12:30 on both days.

Attendees

Please add your name to this table if you intend to come to this face to face meeting, and any special requirements

Name	Arrival	Departure	Hotel	Flight info and notes	Days of attendance	Diner 30th attendance	Access/food requirements
Thierry Michel	.	.	.	.	Thrusday and Friday	yes	omnivore
Nigel Megitt	-	-	-	-	dialling in	no	-
Glenn Adams	29.01	04.02	Astoria	LH2384/1215	Thrusday and Friday	yes	omnivore
Gary Katsevman	29.01	04.02	ibis Styles Genève Palexpo Aéroport	Swiss 53	Thursday and Friday	yes	omnivore
Pierre-Anthony Lemieux	30.01	02.02	.	.	Thursday and Friday	.	omnivore
Andreas Tai	30.01	01.02	.	.	Thursday and Friday	yes	omnivore
Matt Simpson	30.01	01.02	.	.	Thursday and Friday	yes	omnivore

IRC and dial-in

Webex: dial-in details for remote participants (day 1) at https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-tt/2019Jan/0000.html
IRC: server: irc.w3.org, port: 6665, channel: #tt Web gateway at http://www.w3.org/2001/01/cgi-irc

Working policies

All normal W3C policies and requirements apply to this meeting including:

Anti-trust: W3C's anti-trust and competition guidance at https://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2017/antitrust-guidance
Conduct: W3C's code of ethics and professional conduct at https://www.w3.org/Consortium/cepc/

Goals

Produce a first draft for Timed Text future requirements
Produce a TTWG first draft Charter revision.
TbD

Minutes

Minutes from Day 1 can be found at [1].

Minutes from Day 2 can be found [2].

Agenda

TODO: complete this agenda!

Day 1 (08:30-17:00)

Topics

Future Requirements
TTML2 (?)
Decide on document approach - TTML2 2nd Ed or TTML3 or both?
- If TTML3, modularisation
- How to handle externally defined style attributes that have longer time applicability
Visit demo of live TTML contribution from Swisstext/FAB.
WebVTT Implementation Report

Schedule

08:30 Introductions
- 08:45 : Agenda and working model for this meeting

09:15 WebVTT Implementation Report

10:00 5 minute break

10:05 Begin iterating through TTWG Requirements

- The open issues in tt-reqs repository:

- - w3c/tt-reqs#1 Resolve open issues in ttml2 repository.
  - w3c/tt-reqs#3 Support live contribution of TTML
  - w3c/tt-reqs#4 Audio Description profile of TTML2
  - w3c/tt-reqs#11 Fade in/out
  - w3c/tt-reqs#13 Spoken subtitle
  - w3c/tt-reqs#14 Review backlog issues for IMSC

11:30 Break and SwissTxt/FAB live subtitle demo, lower level

11:50 Continue iterating through TTWG requirements

13:30-14:30 Lunch buffet

14:30 Continue iterating through TTWG requirements

(1500 Cyril joins)

- - w3c/tt-reqs#2 Add generic CSS property functionality
  - w3c/tt-reqs#15 Add embedded image support to IMSC Text Profile
  - w3c/tt-reqs#16 Add support for embedded images to IMSC Image Profile
  - w3c/tt-reqs#10 Support for Responsive Timed Text
  - w3c/tt-reqs#12 Minor enhancements for Japanese subtitles
  - w3c/tt-reqs#9 Support for Karaoke

16:00 w3c/tt-reqs#8 Support 3D space (360°/VR/XR) as target presentation environment

16:30 Wrap up of TTWG requirements review

- Considering the requirements discussions during the day, should we modularise TTML as part of the work?
- What if any changes are needed to the Charter to allow us to complete this work? (may need further discussion as part of Day 2)

1700 Close

Day 2 (08:30-13:30)

Topics

Management and handling of EBU defined extensions in future
Coordination of EBU-TT activities and TTWG activities in the future
- Overview EBU-TT standards (Compatability with TTML/IMSC?)
Live contribution of TTML
- Case study: EBU-TT Live and the Live Interoperability Toolkit (Nigel)
- Case study: Red Bee (Matt)
- Case study: NPO (Marco) - see slides at Media: NPO_slides_2019-02-01-EBU-TT_W3C_joint_meeting.pdf
- Requirements from German Broadcaster (Andreas)
- How to take this forward: adopt EBU-defined semantics for live contribution of TTML more generally?
  - Discussion of options

Schedule

08:30 Introductions

- Agenda

09:00 EBU Extensions

09:30 Live contribution

10:30-10:50 Break

10:50 Live contribution continued

11:20 Cooperation and collaboration

12:15-13:30 Lunch

13:30 Close