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Social Web Working Group Teleconference

01 Mar 2016

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aaronpk, dmitriz, annbass, rhiaro, Rob_Sanderson, sandro, tsyesika, cwebber2, ben_thatmustbeme, dromasca, eprodrom, KevinMarks, Arnaud, tantek


we're hunting silos

I can scribe

<tantek> scribe: cwebber2


+1 but the bottom diagnostic stuff can be removed

tantek: topic is minutes approval

aaronpk: How important is attribution? there were some lines said by other people

tantek: it's pretty important

aaronpk: probably needs review

tantek: I see myself being thanked from last time for chairing but I didn't chair
... can anyone hear a loud jackhammer outside my house

sandro: no it's fine

<sandro> +1 minutes are good enough

<sandro> (I fixed the "next week" bit)

tantek: if people want to update the minutes to fix attribution that's fine, we could give it another week, or we could approve pending some attribution edits
... you can go ahead and remove the diagnostic output cwebber2
... I see two +1s and no objections, I think people are fine aaronpk if you want to correct mis-attributions
... let's go ahead and approve the minutes with the caveat that some attributions might need to be corrected


<Loqi> Sandro made 1 edit to Socialwg/2016-02-23-minutes

<Loqi> Aaronpk made 1 edit to Socialwg/2016-02-23-minutes


tantek: that's it for discussion items. technical items, here's an updated version of micropub

aaronpk: I provided an updated changelog
... I sent out an email a couple days ago after I published a new ED and I hope to publish a new working draft today after this call
... if anyone's interested I hope you can review the changelog
... there's no new issues filed since I sent this, so I assume everyone's fine with it or doesn't care
... So yeah, I guess I'd like to resolve to publish a WD of this version

tantek: looking at changelog myself, you added a new conformance section, that's good, we learned our lesson from the work on AS2 and how that can be a challenging part of a spec to write up and get right
... does anyone else have comments or feedback?

<aaronpk> PROPOSED: publish new working draft of Micropub based on current editor's draft at


<sandro> +1

<aaronpk> +1

<azaroth> +0 happy to go with consensus

<annbass> +1 .... Go along with group's technical opinion. Will be happy to read for "English" (once I'm home in a couple days)

cwebber2: I think I did it pre-meetin-start

<tsyesika> +1

<rhiaro> +1

tantek: that sounds like resolved, could you type that

RESOLUTION: publish new working draft of Micropub based on current editor's draft at

<sandro> great work, aaronpk

<ben_thatmustbeme> +1

tantek: ben_thatmustbeme you just missed us approving publishing a WD of micropub

<dromasca> +1



tantek: aaron has provided a new ED of webmention as well, I assume you've made a changelog of this too

aaronpk: yes there's a changelog, it's a relatively minor update of what's been done, but there's a new IANA considerations section
... also lots of wording changes. I went through most changes on github
... you can review what's been closed to see what's going on
... it's a more minor change as for what's been happening in the spec

sandro: I don't understand why the text currently says it's been registered with IANA

aaronpk: that's the text that has to be in there to do the register with IANA. It's a chicken and egg problem, you have to do it before they register it


<annbass> Weird process

aaronpk: they get upset about this

<ben_thatmustbeme> very weird process

<annbass> But, such as it is

tantek: that's correct. I noted annbass noted "weird process" and I must concurr with that sense

<annbass> Aaronpk rocks!

<annbass> Yay for Drew!

<annbass> S/drew/dret/

tantek: those were the changes, is there anything else

<aaronpk> PROPOSED: publish new working draft of Webmention based on current editor's draft at


<sandro> +1

<ben_thatmustbeme> +1

<aaronpk> +1

<dromasca> +1

<azaroth> +1

<tsyesika> +1

<rhiaro> +1

<annbass> +1 (with same comments as earlier)

<eprodrom> +1

<KevinMarks> +1

tantek: once again I'm seeing majority of folks responding here so I'll give a few more seconds to raise objections, otherwise it looks pretty solid

RESOLUTION: publish new working draft of Webmention based on current editor's draft at

tantek: and that takes us to tracking of actions and issues
... and it looks like we don't have any to attend to in terms of the group, any to raise anything to the group? it seems like we haven't been using a lot of tracker interactions lately
... any other discussion items to raise?

<tsyesika> I was just wondering there was any news on uberconference? (as an alternative to WebEx)

tantek: I do note that evan is here, I'd like to give an opportunity to say what's new on AS2

eprodrom: there's been updates to the validator, nothing on the data documents lately, though maybe a PR from james, but conformance section is the big one coming but I hope to have it by next week

tantek: ack of tsyesika asking if there's any updates on uberconference

sandro: I haven't done anything yet, would it make a difference for you?

<tsyesika> I tried it and it seems better

<tsyesika> I can use it on a system running Free software :)

sandro: I will bump it up again in priority

cwebber2: we should probably show a demo of the <-> mediagoblin federation demo if we can

<annbass> Now that I'm back, I'm happy to do something .. Not involving writing code

sandro: people should put together next steps on their documents so right now we're free form

<annbass> If anyone has suggestion or needs help

tantek: let's make that a request for people to do, also we did a required reading section on the SF f2f
... let's make sure we have a similar required reading section this time

sandro: required reading being... all current drafts?

tantek: I'd say all drafts we request to publish
... and next category is other drafts we *may* iterate on
... if anyone else wants to add proposals, that can be third

<eprodrom> Definitely

cwebber2: yeah I'm in an office

and didn't get a meeting room

sorry about that

need to scribe self, 1 sec

cwebber2: would everyone be interested in seeing a live demo of mediagoblin <-> federation

tantek: yes, add a demo section

<annbass> Sheesh ... Typing

tantek: I think we've added enoguh homework items, so I think we're done

<annbass> Thanks Tantek!

tantek: thanks everyone, same scheduled time / place

<annbass> Thanks for scribing cwebber2

<ben_thatmustbeme> see you next week, same bat time, same bat channel

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

  1. publish new working draft of Micropub based on current editor's draft at
  2. publish new working draft of Webmention based on current editor's draft at

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