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socialwg Teleconf 2015-07-28

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Approval of Minutes of 14 July 2015

Activity Streams 2

Social API

  • Rename Inbox user story to what it actually is: "Read Social Streams" (or "Social Streams Reader") Tantek Çelik (talk) 22:56, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
    • "Inbox" name is deceptive and provides misleading "email"-like framing
    • 6 references to "social stream" in description and user story steps (so let's call it by what it's described as)
    • Only 1 reference to "inbox" in description and user story steps, and even that is in context of "checks his social inbox stream".
    • +1 Tantek Çelik (talk), e.g. "Inbox" implies very strongly that the reading application must keep track of read/unread status which is absolutely NOT the case in the user story, nor in typical "social web" scenarios where you read a stream of stuff from those you follow.
    • +1 Aaron Parecki "Inbox" also has the implication that every item must be seen/processed by the person reading it, whereas the behavior on most social systems is a "stream" which people can dip in and out of.
    • +1 Kevin Marks (talk) Inbox is what activity streams are defined in opposition too. See for background
    • -1 This has already been voted on, approved and is being implemented. Already implementing this based on the current user story. I think it's a bit late to rename now, and will only slow us down further. Activity pump also has concept of inbox and outbox. What would be better would be to clarify the terms "inbox", "outbox", "inbox stream", "social stream" etc. I've started a thread on the Mail List about that. I think until feedback is gathered there, it does not make sense to arbitrarily change user stories.Melvin Carvalho (talk)
      • to be clear, this suggestion for renaming the story does not in any way affect the functionality of it. Aaron Parecki (talk) 20:42, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
      • People voted on the contents/steps of the user stories, not the labels/names of them. Commentary in the votes (especially on this user story) reflects that interpretation. If you're implementing based on the steps in the user story, no problem. If you're implementing based on bringing in external assumptions based on the bad choice of name, then you may have a problem. Tantek Çelik (talk) 21:37, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
        • naming is important to my implementation, and inbox is the term used, this user story will be referenced, and would make me have to rework things. this is a very difficult user story to implement, and any changes now would get in the way of that, mainly because it requires dealing with 1000s of followers. I dont think any indieweb can do that, it's relevant to SoLiD and Activity pump. Please dont change unless there's a great reason to. Please reject from agenda. Melvin Carvalho (talk)
    • -0 This looks a bit like bikeshedding Andreas Kuckartz (talk) 05:10, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Charter License Update

Sandro is working on the new charter and will hopefully have an update for us on:

  • When will this modified charter will go to the AC for a vote?
    • draft expected to go to AC within a week, for 4 week voting period, unless someone comes up with a way to shortcut that.

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