Social Web Working Group Teleconference
13 Jan 2015
Derived from RRSAgent minutes
See also: IRC log
- jasnell, eprodrom, Arnaud, aaronpk, Sandro, [IPcaller], Ann, tantek, cwebber2, rhiaro_, Lloyd_Fassett, jessica_lily, tiborKatelbach, wilkie, rhiaro, Wendy, hhalpin
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: tantek review microformats due Jan 14, 2015 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/01/13-social-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: jsnell to update http://jasnell.github.io/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/activitystreams2.html by Jan 16, 2015 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/01/13-social-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: jsnell to prepare working draft for publication based on http://jasnell.github.io/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/activitystreams2-vocabulary.html by Jan 16, 2105 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/01/13-social-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: jsnell to reach out to Open Social Foundation participants to invite them to join the W3C Social Web WG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/01/13-social-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: jsnell to ask OpenSocial folks about W3C archiving their blog posts [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/01/13-social-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: harry will ask W3C SysTeam about prospect for archiving OSF blog posts and perhaps other content [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/01/13-social-minutes.html#action09]
<trackbot> Date: 13 January 2015
<tantek> since you can’t hear me, I’m P9 :)
<Loqi> tantek has 139 karma
<cwebber2> -q ??P5
<tantek> scribenick AnnBassetti
<sandro> scribenick: AnnBassetti
<tantek> scribenick: AnnBassetti
approve minutes …. no objections
<cwebber2> no objections here, look good
also need to approve minutes from last meeting
<eprodrom> Sorry, they were in the agenda
Tantek: suggests postponing approval until next week, so people can have time to read
… no objections; added to next agenda
… next week’s meeting on schedule per usual
<tantek> next week: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-01-20
Tantek: agenda: Media Objects 2.0 … suggested by elf, but he’s out sick
… thus postponed
… agenda: Activity Streams
<sorry, missed intro words>
scribe: recommend we update working draft
… both vocabulary and core working drafts
Evan: any outstanding issues on 1st Working Draft?
JamesS: no …
Evan: is next step to propose moving this to next Working Draft?
<jasnell> I’ve merged in the extended vocabulary work into the editor’s drafts. I propose that we update the Working Drafts based on the current editor’s drafts
Tantek: next step is to ask if there are any other outstanding issues
<harry> just ping me when moving things to Working Draft
Tantek: I think, James, you asked me to do …. <xx>
… re: microformats
<harry> and I’m happy to send it in and go through pubrules
James: added <some info re: microformats> but not an expert, would appreciate review
Tantek: will take a look
James: be aware there are over 900 examples, many of which are microformats!
Tantek: will look
<scribe> ACTION: Tantek, review microformats, due Jan. 14, 2015 [recorded in [|http://www.w3.org/2015/01/13-social-minutes.html#action01]]]
<trackbot> Error finding ‘Tantek,’. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/Social/track/users>.
<eprodrom> AnnBassetti: “ACTION tantek blah blah blah”
<scribe> ACTION: tantek review microformats due Jan 14, 2015 [recorded in [|http://www.w3.org/2015/01/13-social-minutes.html#action02]]]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-26 - Review microformats due jan 14, 2015 [on Tantek Çelik - due 2015-01-20].
<tantek> AnnBassetti: can you add the URL to that action?
<tantek> trackbot, 26?
<trackbot> Sorry, tantek, I don’t understand ‘trackbot, 26?’. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.
<trackbot> action-26 – Tantek Çelik to Review microformats due jan 14, 2015 – due 2015-01-20 – OPEN
<aaronpk> i just updated the action with the urls
<sorting out how to properly record an action>
Tantek: proposal for James to prepare updated working drafts for Activity Streams specs on Friday
<Loqi> I added a countdown for 1/16 12:00am (#5576)
Tantek: proposal ACTION team to review those drafts
<aaronpk> tantek, your mic seems to silence until you start speaking, so the first couple hundred milliseconds of your audio is dropped when you start speaking after a gap of silence
Tantek: better to capture explicit support
<blooby> I have a poor voip connection
Tantek: checking why people aren’t indicating their support or rejection of proposal
<aaronpk> +1 sounds good
<wilkie> me. I joined.
<wilkie> sorry I’m late
<eprodrom> Seems like pretty strong consensus with no objections
Tantek: declares consensus; would prefer more responses
<jasnell> if anyone finds any issues before friday, post them to the mailing list as well as github
<eprodrom> jasnell: I think we’re about to do that in the next section
<scribe> ACTION: James Snell to update http://jasnell.github.io/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/activitystreams2.html by Jan 16, 2015 [recorded in [|http://www.w3.org/2015/01/13-social-minutes.html#action03]]]
<trackbot> ‘James’ is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., jsnell, jktauber).
<jasnell> yes, jsnell
<scribe> ACTION: jasnell to update http://jasnell.github.io/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/activitystreams2.html by Jan 16, 2015 [recorded in [|http://www.w3.org/2015/01/13-social-minutes.html#action04]]]
<trackbot> Error finding ‘jasnell’. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/Social/track/users>.
<scribe> ACTION: jsnell to update http://jasnell.github.io/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/activitystreams2.html by Jan 16, 2015 [recorded in [|http://www.w3.org/2015/01/13-social-minutes.html#action05]]]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-27 - Update http://jasnell.github.io/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/activitystreams2.html by jan 16, 2015 [on James Snell - due 2015-01-20].
<aaronpk> here is the URL http://www.w3.org/Social/track/actions/27
<aaronpk> maybe trackbot should post the URL of the action after it creates it?
<scribe> ACTION: jsnell to prepare working draft for publication based on http://jasnell.github.io/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/activitystreams2-vocabulary.html by Jan 16, 2105 [recorded in [|http://www.w3.org/2015/01/13-social-minutes.html#action06]]]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-28 - Prepare working draft for publication based on http://jasnell.github.io/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/activitystreams2-vocabulary.html by jan 16, 2105 [on James Snell - due 2015-01-20].
<aaronpk> I will go update 27
James: these Working Drafts have been stable for awhile, thus would like to consider moving to Last Call
Tantek: yes, that will be the next step
… having stability on the editor’s working draft is important for moving to next steps
James: if anyone sees an issue in the spec(s), please raise issue on GitHub, but copy the mailing list
… will ensure James sees it promptly
Tantek: anything else on this topic?
scribe: next topic: Microsyntaxes
… Evan’s topic?
Evan: actually elf’s, but happy to speak to it
… issue came up on mailing list
… number of diff systems doing microsyntaxes
… example: with Twitter you put @name to mention a particular user
… Twitter then routes that tweet in a special way
<tantek> Instagram also handles @-references like that
Evan: Facebook, Google do similar, with diff syntaxes
… discussion about how to recognize this
… via our mailing list
… how to handle “magic” symbols
… receiver should not have to do special parsing
… To: and Cc: properties should handle
… perhaps add note in Activity Streams that microsyntax in content for other properties should not have to be parsed by the processor
… will check if there’s a github issue; will check
Tantek: do you want this to be in the Friday draft?
Evan: this wasn’t proposed by me … nice to have by Friday, but not a crisis if added later
James: I’m the one who started this on mailing list
… won’t be prob to add by Friday to the spec
… I don’t see any normative changes; should be just editorial
Tantek: sounds as if we’re resolved on how to handle microsyntax
… any issues, Evan or james?
Tantek: last agenda item … Open Social announcement
… press release issued shortly after last meeting
… want to ensure people are aware of this occurence
… Open Social has formally moved their work to W3C
… and expect this WG, plus the Social Web IG to do any follow-on work
James: notes that Press Release raised some issues for some …
… he cannot speak for Open Social officers board (Matt Marum, etc.)>
… believes any add’l resources they had, they donated to W3C and decided to close themselves down
… does not believe there are any implications that this WG would work on anything specific to that work
<harry> we can hear you evan
<harry> we have no formal commitment to existing OpenSocial specs, although we hope this work and membership can feed into the Social WG’s new work.
Evan: I wondered, did this announcement mean that we are expected to maintain current or new version of OpenSocial spec?
<jasnell> no, there are no obligations with regards to the opensocial specs themselves.
Evan: worried that this implied we might be taking on a big amount of new work
<Arnaud> there is no change to the charter, nor any proposal or request to do so
<harry> Yep, no additional charter items
<Arnaud> so, this doesn’t change what we are doing
Evan: appears that OpenSocial gave us their “seal of approval”, but without any new charter or additional work
… seems positive
Tantek: I agree
… I cited our charter in the announcement for that reason
… maintaining the OpenSocial spec is NOT in our charter; we need to be clear about that
… if anyone thinks we should do that, it needs to be added to our charter
<jasnell> to be clear, no one has suggested that the social wg ought to maintain the opensocial specs
Tantek: does anyone think we need to add that to our charter?
Harry: we had to keep the announcement secret until announced .. apologizes for no preceding discussion with WG
… no formal obligation
… hope some of them might join this WG
Tantek: <confirms accuracy of minutes>
<harry> again, if anyone is worried or has concerns, do feel free to email
Arnaud: no change to the charter, and no one has asked for change to charter
<harry> we thought that since there would be no change to the charter, this is more a big +1 to the existing work and a chance to get new folks involved than anything else.
Arnaud: good news
<harry> Also, this clarifies the space.
Arnaud: Open Social Foundation acknowledged that the “social web” work is happening here, in this W3C WG
… OSF had some $$ left, which they donated to us
… perhaps towards a F2F dinner or some such
<harry> So if you are a developer, you can just go to Social WG
<harry> for standards, IG for use-case
<jasnell> that’s something I can talk to Matt about
Evan: re: Harry’s point … wonder if our WG chairs might reach out to former OSF members, inviting them to participate here
<jasnell> I can take that action
<jasnell> yes please
<jasnell> otherwise I’ll forget :-)
<harry> Yes, it would be good to invite OSF people here
<harry> We’ve seen some emails from Matt Marum from SugarCRM but a lot aren’t here
<eprodrom> We’d want all the Open Social member organizations and their contact people
<jasnell> jsnell will reach out to previous opensocial members to solicit participation in the Social WG
<scribe> ACTION: jsnell to reach out to Open Social Foundation participants to invite them to join the W3C Social Web WG [recorded in [|http://www.w3.org/2015/01/13-social-minutes.html#action07]]]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-29 - Reach out to open social foundation participants to invite them to join the w3c social web wg [on James Snell - due 2015-01-20].
Wendy: thanks Evan and James for the outreach! good collaboration!
… with “lawyer hat” on, notes W3C has not yet seen the $$
… does not know how much $$ there will actually be
… actual conclusion and transfer is still in work
Tantek: notes OpenSocial.org domain name now redirects to one W3C blog post
… wonders if any of the OSF content will be archived and preserved?
Sandro: in the past, W3C has occasionally taken on a web site for archival purposes
… not sure if it’s appropriate here
Ann: what is process to make that happen?
<harry> I think TimBL is not needed
<harry> I can file a firstname.lastname@example.org
Sandro: TimBL thought it was important and got SysTeam to do it
<harry> but I think it’s just in the backlog
Arnaud: thinks this was part of the negotiation
… that they would keep the domain and single page
<tantek> for example this document on opensocial.org just redirects to the blog post: http://docs.opensocial.org/display/OSF/OpenSocial+State+of+the+Union+2011+~+May+12%2C+2011
<jasnell> the specs are archived on github
Wendy: <said about the domain and single page> .. if this group thinks there is specific content to be saved, we should point it out
… we should identify the crucial content, so W3C can look into it
<harry> IMHO its probably ok to just keep OpenSocial on github
Tantek: modest request: it would be nice if at least blog posts from OSF could be preserved, to be referenced as history
… including permalinks
<jasnell> I’ll take that action item to follow up on also
<harry> I’m happy to ask Systems Team if ex-OSF people
<jasnell> meaning that I’ll ask the opensocial folks about it and report back
<harry> are ok with that
<scribe> ACTION: jsnell to ask OpenSocial folks about W3C archiving their blog posts [recorded in [|http://www.w3.org/2015/01/13-social-minutes.html#action08]]]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-30 - Ask opensocial folks about w3c archiving their blog posts [on James Snell - due 2015-01-20].
<jasnell> got an answer from andy
<jasnell> Andy Smith says, “we have backed all of them up, and they can be made available if necessary”
<harry> will go to me
<jasnell> “but we felt given the direction of the work and community it was not necessary to manage the migration over”
<jasnell> “In terms of twitter and social media, that will gradaully shift over to the w3c exclusively over the next 6 months or so”
<tantek> simple request from the Social Web WG: can W3C at least archive the social content (e.g. blog posts) from opensocial.org?
<scribe> ACTION: harry will ask W3C SysTeam about prospect for archiving OSF blog posts and perhaps other content [recorded in [|http://www.w3.org/2015/01/13-social-minutes.html#action09]]]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-31 - Will ask w3c systeam about prospect for archiving osf blog posts and perhaps other content [on Harry Halpin - due 2015-01-20].
James: other content might be the OSF Twitter account, …
… right person to ask is Andy Smith, who is my colleague at IBM
… I will liaise with him
<harry> jasnell, let’s co-ordinate when you are ready to publish those drafts!
Tantek: past our closing time .. any thing else?
… end of meeting
<eprodrom> Thanks Tantek!
Tantek: thanks all!
<jasnell> harry +1
<cwebber2> thanks AnnBassetti !
<tantek> trackbot, end meeting