HCLSIG/SWANSIOC/Meetings/2009-05-22 Conference Call
Conference Details
- Date of Call: Friday May 22, 2009
- Time of Call: 11:00am Eastern Time
- Dial-In #: +1.617.761.6200 (Cambridge, MA)
- Dial-In #: +33.4.89.06.34.99 (Nice, France)
- Dial-In #: +44.117.370.6152 (Bristol, UK)
- Participant Access Code: 4257 ("HCLS")
- IRC Channel: irc.w3.org port 6665 channel #HCLS (see W3C IRC page for details, or see Web IRC)
- Duration: ~1 hour
- Convener: Tim Clark
- Scribe: Matthias Samwald
Agenda
- Report from the HypER meeting in Amsterdam
- F2F follow-up
- Other tasks status
IRC transcript
Attendees: Tim Clark, Anita de Waard, Julia_Kozlovsky, Kei Cheung, Scott Marshall, Eric P, David Newman, Jack Park
(17:07:28) Tim: What i propose as a topic: the HypER meeting in Amsterdam (17:08:52) mscottm [marshall@81.69.36.208] hat den Raum betreten. (17:09:02) .Introduction by Attendees: Anita de Waard (Elsevier) (17:09:29) Julia_Kozlovsky: background in text mining, joined F2F, starting to get invovled in the group (17:09:50) mscottm: Zakim, who is on the phone? (17:10:27) Zakim [rrs-bridgg@128.30.52.30] hat den Raum betreten. (17:10:29) mscottm: Zakim, who is on the phone? (17:10:30) Zakim: sorry, mscottm, I don't know what conference this is (17:10:30) Zakim: On IRC I see mscottm, kei, Julia_Kozlovsky, matthias_samwald, LeeF, Cloud, ericP (17:10:47) (further introductions by Tim, Kei) (17:14:18) (Introductions by Jack (from group of simon buckingham-shum), matthias) (17:14:45) (introduction by dave (MyExperiment), scott) (17:15:58) Tim: scott, a colleague of you, andrew gibson, was also at the HypER meeting (17:16:11) david_newman [drn05r@152.78.61.24] hat den Raum betreten. (17:16:20) Scott: Andrew co-authored an article with me and others called "Structuring Hypothetical Knowledge" (17:17:02) ... factoring out "p53" as an instance of a term (not as an instance of a protein) (17:17:40) (introduction by EricP) (17:18:13) tim: the Future of Research Communication conference (FoRC) is coming up in about a year (17:18:39) ... ericP will also be involved in FoRC (17:19:42) ... have a look at the e-mail i sent out today, there is a link to a page describing intersections between HypER and the scientific discourse task. (17:20:08) anita: there are several partly similar initiatives (17:20:37) ... around the idea of representing scientific statements and links to evidence that these statements are based on (17:21:07) ... E.g., Cohere (simon buckingham-shum), SALT and Connex (DERI), (17:21:30) ... Liquid Publications (group of Fausto, University of Trento) (17:21:47) ... then of course SWAN (tim clark) (17:22:08) ... and my own work (17:22:24) ... i also started a collaboration on this with agnes sandor (Xerox) (17:22:46) ... it seemed like a good idea to compare notes. this is what we did at the HypER meeting (17:22:55) ... we had several presentations. (17:23:13) ... http://hyp-er.wik.is/ (17:23:26) ... (this is the wiki page that will be used for documentation) (17:24:56) ericp: hypothesis can come from NLP, human curation, or author annotation. how where these represented at HypER? (17:25:04) tim: all approaches were represented (17:25:18) ... each of these has problems. (17:25:29) ... human annotation does not scale (17:25:55) ... NLP has either too many false positives or too little coverage (17:26:09) ... and author compliance in the SDA pilot was bad (17:26:33) ... a compromise is needed (17:27:12) Julia: can we come up with a cookbook? (e.g., for these scenarios, these approaches work best etc.) (17:27:58) tim: sometimes we just need to try to find out (e.g., SDA) (17:28:46) anita: SWAN has a lot of take up in its community, SDA has seen less uptake (17:29:13) ... communities, subject areas (e.g. neuroscience is different than protein interactions) and technologies... (17:30:17) tim: if the preliminary conclusion is that none of these solutions is sufficient, i guess we need to find a shared information model to reach an integration / synergy (17:31:09) ericp: one field of overlap i see is query federation. (17:31:39) ... "i want NLP annotations with this particular confidence etc." -- that would be interesting for query federation. (17:32:01) tim: http://esw.w3.org/topic/HypER_%E2%88%A9_SciDiscourse_Relevant_Tasks (17:33:25) ... alignment not also with SIOC, but also with SALT (17:34:00) ... then we also have overlap with tagging-based approaches (aTags etc.) (17:36:19) matthias: sounds good, alignment makes sense and should be easy to accomplish (17:36:41) scott: tim, should we get paolo involved, who should get together? (17:37:12) tim: ideally matthias, paolo, someone from siggis group (17:38:41) kei: is there some simple example that we could use to illustrate those different tagging approaches? (17:39:07) ... not a formal presentation, but maybe a wiki page (17:39:51) tim: i can post some examples of SWAN (17:39:58) matthias: i can do so for aTags (17:40:10) tim: we can add them to the wiki page that i referred to (17:41:14) anita: are there any use-cases that we could try to deal with? (17:42:51) tim: matthias, pick some wiki page in SciDiscourse to place this. (17:43:45) ... we also can have talks at the next telecon in 2 weeks (17:44:19) mscottm: q+ (17:44:19) ***Zakim sees mscottm on the speaker queue (17:45:17) ... we also will try to get someone from Siggi Handschuh's group to present (17:45:32) Kei: this could help to align work between task forces. (17:46:17) scott: matthias, kei and I already talked about storing aTags in an RDF repository (17:47:30) ... if we have them stored in a system and SWAN statements in another system about the same subject matter, we could try to use this for finding points of alignment. (17:49:45) matthias: i think we should try to avoid too much redundancy (17:50:10) tim: i think it is very clear how they should be aligned if you look at it. (17:51:27) ... we could take examples and work them through on paper (17:55:27) scott: i have a question about SWAT4LS, we are organizing it this year in november (17:55:58) ... november 20 might be a possible date. would this date work for all people on this call? (17:57:03) mscottm: http://www.swat4ls.org (17:57:05) (nobody objects)