[minutes] 2015-10-21

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http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-sdw-minutes

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           Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference

21 Oct 2015

    See also: [2]IRC log

       [2] http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-sdw-irc

Attendees

    Present
           kerry, jtandy, frans, BartvanLeeuwen, Alejandro_Llaves,
           Payam, LarsG, ahaller2, Linda, MattPerry, joshli, AZ

    Regrets
           Phila, Ed, Andreas Harth, Andrea Perego, Rachel Heaven

    Chair
           kerry

    Scribe
           bart

Contents

      * [3]Topics
          1. [4]last approve meetings minutes
          2. [5]approve last weeks minutes
             https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2
             0151021
          3. [6]Patent call
          4. [7]Best Practice editors: task responsibilities
          5. [8]Summary of discussion on linking data
          6. [9]<BartvanLeeuwen> Topic: Sapporo Communication:
             https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/F2F_Sapporo
          7. [10]Summary of discussion on linking data
      * [11]Summary of Action Items
      __________________________________________________________

    <trackbot> Date: 21 October 2015

    <kerry> scribe: bart

    <kerry> scribenick: bart

    <kerry> scribenick bartvanleeuwen

last approve meetings minutes

    <BartvanLeeuwen>
    [12]http://www.w3.org/2015/10/14-sdw-minutes.html

      [12] http://www.w3.org/2015/10/14-sdw-minutes.html

approve last weeks minutes
[13]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20151021

      [13] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20151021

    <Linda> +1

    <jtandy> +1

    <LarsG> +1

    <Alejandro_Llaves> +1

    <frans> +1

    <Payam> +1

    <BartvanLeeuwen> RESOLVED: approve last weeks minutes
    [14]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon201510
    21

      [14] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20151021

Patent call

    <kerry> [15]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call

      [15] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call

Best Practice editors: task responsibilities

    <Zakim> jtandy, you wanted to remind Kerry to remind everyone
    else about the time change after TPAC

    <frans> couldn´t the reminder of sending reminders be an action
    for Kerry?

    <BartvanLeeuwen> New time for meetings after TPAC!

    <jtandy> think it was 8pm UTC

    <Linda> go ahead

    <BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: we have decided to organize ourselves
    for 3 different task

    <kerry> ACTION: kerry to remind on new meeting times for
    northern hemisphere summer [recorded in
    [16]http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-sdw-minutes.html#action01]

      [16] http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-sdw-minutes.html#action01]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-83 - Remind on new meeting times for
    northern hemisphere summer [on Kerry Taylor - due 2015-10-28].

    <BartvanLeeuwen> 1) issue management, managing topic chats and
    keep people on topic, Payam will take that task

    <Payam> sure

    <BartvanLeeuwen> Another thing Payam will chase people down for
    evidence of BPs

    <BartvanLeeuwen> 2) analysis byt jtandy of what needs to be
    done

    <BartvanLeeuwen> 3) Main writer of the document will be Linda

    <BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: instead of having discussions on email
    / wiki we try to write our documents as we go, so that you can
    see your changes happening

    <BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: approach based on Payam experience
    with a previous group

    <BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: we almost got a BP document into the
    repository

    <Payam> Spatial Data on the Web Best Practice

    <Payam> DRAFT Table of Contents

    <Payam> 1. Introduction

    <Payam> i. General intro

    <Payam> ii. Difference between spatial data on the web and
    current SDI practice

    <Payam> iii. Principles
    [17]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/BP_Principles

      [17] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/BP_Principles

    <Payam> 2. Conformance

    <Payam> 3. Audience

    <Payam> i. Geospatial experts without web knowledge? (LvdB: Are
    we targetting them? Are they our Small Set of Known
    Developers?)

    <Payam> ii. Web developers without geospatial knowledge aka the
    Large Set of Unknown Developers

    <Payam> iii. Content publishers

    <Payam> 4. Scope

    <Payam> 5. Best Practices Template

    <Payam> i. Best Practice Requirements

    <Payam> 6. Best Practices Summary

    <Payam> 7. The Best Practices

    <Payam> i. Linking Data

    <Payam> ii. Publishing data with clear semantics

    <Payam> iii. Exposing datasets through APIs

    <Payam> iv. Enabling discovery

    <Payam> v. Assigning identifiers to real world things and
    information resources

    <Payam> vi. Expressing spatial data – vocabularies & encodings

    <Payam> A. (geo)spatial information

    <Payam> B. temporal information

    <Payam> C. sensor data

    <Payam> vii. Dealing with large datasets

    <Payam> viii. Displaying spatial data on maps (IMO out of scope
    - LvdB)

    <Payam> 8. Conclusions

    <Payam> 9. Glossary

    <BartvanLeeuwen> Linda: document only availble as word

    <Payam> 10. Cross-reference of use-cases against best practices

    <Payam> A. Acknowledgements

    <Payam> B. References

    <Payam> i. Normative references

    <Payam> it's a bit messy- sorry about that

    <Payam> I copied/pasted from a word file

    <BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: this is not a final document
    structure, but we think these are the sections we need to fill
    out

    <BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: some might go out during the process

    <BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: we wanted to have the sections in
    place before the Sapporo F2F

    <BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: we will start writing on the BP during
    the F2F, that is the main focus of the meeting.

    <BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: we are keen on getting feedback on the
    content, there will be an editor's draft by the end of the
    afternoon

    <BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: the structure is the same structure as
    the DWBP document

    <Linda> Addition: request to anyone to review the TOC so that
    we can work with an agreed structure next week in Sapporo.

    <BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: request to anyone to review the TOC so
    that we can work with an agreed structure next week in Sapporo.

    <BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: explains the structure of the
    document, general w3c parts

    <BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: audience is important topic, who do we
    write this for

    <kerry> +1 to addressing Geospatial experts without web
    knowledge?

    <kerry> +1 to Displaying spatial data on maps is out of scope

    <Payam> +q

    <BartvanLeeuwen> frans: this is supposed to be a BP document,
    and not a 'best theories' document. we need evidence, how will
    the evidence be included

    <BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: one of the points we need to include
    in the description of the best practices is examples

    <BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: and we need to have be able to point
    to those examples.

    <BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: there will be adaption required to
    make it work

    <BartvanLeeuwen> Payam: if we have content in the document, we
    will be asking for examples and links to descriptions

    <BartvanLeeuwen> Payam: if you point to examples and best
    practices from the public mail archive I'll pick them up there.

    <BartvanLeeuwen> joshli: I hope we don't get hung up on links,
    they might not be persistent

    <BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: we do have the oportunity to construct
    the evidence ourselves

    <Payam> +1 joshli - good examples will be also very helpful

    <BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: Linda and geonovum have a tender for
    testbed for these best practices

    <BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: there will be a gap, things that
    should be done, but are not being done. we need to be carefull
    to include them, we have to be careful to not put in theories.

    <BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: maybe we need a note for 'emerging
    practices'

    <ahaller2> +1 emerging practises

    <BartvanLeeuwen> frans: in the UCR somebody put his sources in
    the Github repository to prevent ' link rot'

Summary of discussion on linking data

    <jtandy> [18]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Linking_Data

      [18] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Linking_Data

    <BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: we are trying to continue the
    discussion from last weeks call

    <BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: the offline notes are on the wiki:
    [19]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Linking_Data

      [19] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Linking_Data

<BartvanLeeuwen> Topic: Sapporo Communication:
[20]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/F2F_Sapporo

      [20] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/F2F_Sapporo

    <BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: we will have TOC of our BP in github

    <BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: the people in sapporo will be working
    on that document

    <BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: we will be keeping github up to date

    <BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: we will have a meeting record on IRC,
    but not minute to minute like today

    <BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: IRC will be the channel to contact us

    <BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: hopefully we probably will have Webex,
    IRC is the best way to get to us

    <BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: at 5PM local time we will do a catch up
    session

    <BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: we are expecting a few people to come
    along to talk to us from other groups

    <BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: Sato taraki ? will talk about SVG ,
    Hadley Beaman , and IOT interest group, and even timbl signed
    up

    <BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: Dinner sunday night, for anyone who
    want to show up

    <Linda> bad timing Jeremy

    <BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: there is a adhoc on the wednesday

    <BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: there will be geojson people as well.

    <jtandy>
    [21]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Linking_Data#Summary_o
    f_discussion

      [21] 
https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Linking_Data#Summary_of_discussion

Summary of discussion on linking data

    <BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: our focus will be on gathering
    content, not polished documents. bullet points are good, as
    long as it is public

    <BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: kerry called it 'drafty'

    <jtandy>
    [22]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sdw-wg/2015Oct/
    0105.html

      [22] 
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sdw-wg/2015Oct/0105.html

    <jtandy> JSON a link poor format

    <BartvanLeeuwen> joshli: the linking in JSON-LD needs more best
    practices

    <BartvanLeeuwen> joshli: what types of interactions we have on
    a resource

    <frans> +1 to looking at raw HTTP as an API

    <kerry> bart says the new linked data platform working grop
    will be attacking this

    <BartvanLeeuwen> hydra: [23]http://www.hydra-cg.com/

      [23] http://www.hydra-cg.com/

    <kerry> ... and bart says we should point to that instead of
    inventing here

    <kerry> ... bart says the linked data platform mailing list
    discusses this - and the hydra one too -- cannot point to
    anything directly

    <kerry> ACTION: bart to assemble linkks to actionable data on
    the web for sapporo meeting [recorded in
    [24]http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-sdw-minutes.html#action02]

      [24] http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-sdw-minutes.html#action02]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-84 - Assemble linkks to actionable
    data on the web for sapporo meeting [on Bart van Leeuwen - due
    2015-10-28].

    <kerry> bart wants us not to stretch too far in that direction
    but to leave to others

    <jtandy>
    [25]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sdw-wg/2015Oct/
    0125.html

      [25] 
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sdw-wg/2015Oct/0125.html

    <jtandy> Does 'Feature' = 'Real World Thing'?

    <joshli> departing the IRC but staying on phone. Ta

    <kerry> agreed -- i was surprised to see the variation in
    interpretation of "feature"

    <frans> I agree with Kerry

    <Payam> I have to leave. thank you all.

    <BartvanLeeuwen> yup

    <kerry> rrsagent make logs public

    <frans> Have a good day or night!

    <Linda> ok thanks bye

    <Alejandro_Llaves> Thanks, bye!

    <kerry> rrsagent draft minutes

    <MattPerry> bye

    <kerry> rrsagentdraft minutes

Summary of Action Items

    [NEW] ACTION: bart to assemble linkks to actionable data on the
    web for sapporo meeting [recorded in
    [26]http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-sdw-minutes.html#action02]
    [NEW] ACTION: kerry to remind on new meeting times for northern
    hemisphere summer [recorded in
    [27]http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-sdw-minutes.html#action01]
    [End of minutes]
      __________________________________________________________

      [26] http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-sdw-minutes.html#action02
      [27] http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-sdw-minutes.html#action01

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