Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference

<trackbot> Date: 21 October 2015

<kerry> scribe: bart

<kerry> scribenick: bart

<kerry> scribenick bartvanleeuwen

last approve meetings minutes

<BartvanLeeuwen> http://www.w3.org/2015/10/14-sdw-minutes.html

approve last weeks minutes https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20151021

<Linda> +1

<jtandy> +1

<LarsG> +1

<Alejandro_Llaves> +1

<frans> +1

<Payam> +1

<BartvanLeeuwen> RESOLVED: approve last weeks minutes https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20151021

Patent call

<kerry> https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call

Best Practice editors: task responsibilities

<Zakim> jtandy, you wanted to remind Kerry to remind everyone else about the time change after TPAC

<frans> couldn´t the reminder of sending reminders be an action for Kerry?

<BartvanLeeuwen> New time for meetings after TPAC!

<jtandy> think it was 8pm UTC

<Linda> go ahead

<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: we have decided to organize ourselves for 3 different task

<kerry> ACTION: kerry to remind on new meeting times for northern hemisphere summer [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-sdw-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-83 - Remind on new meeting times for northern hemisphere summer [on Kerry Taylor - due 2015-10-28].

<BartvanLeeuwen> 1) issue management, managing topic chats and keep people on topic, Payam will take that task

<Payam> sure

<BartvanLeeuwen> Another thing Payam will chase people down for evidence of BPs

<BartvanLeeuwen> 2) analysis byt jtandy of what needs to be done

<BartvanLeeuwen> 3) Main writer of the document will be Linda

<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: instead of having discussions on email / wiki we try to write our documents as we go, so that you can see your changes happening

<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: approach based on Payam experience with a previous group

<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: we almost got a BP document into the repository

<Payam> Spatial Data on the Web Best Practice

<Payam> DRAFT Table of Contents

<Payam> 1. Introduction

<Payam> i. General intro

<Payam> ii. Difference between spatial data on the web and current SDI practice

<Payam> iii. Principles https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/BP_Principles

<Payam> 2. Conformance

<Payam> 3. Audience

<Payam> i. Geospatial experts without web knowledge? (LvdB: Are we targetting them? Are they our Small Set of Known Developers?)

<Payam> ii. Web developers without geospatial knowledge aka the Large Set of Unknown Developers

<Payam> iii. Content publishers

<Payam> 4. Scope

<Payam> 5. Best Practices Template

<Payam> i. Best Practice Requirements

<Payam> 6. Best Practices Summary

<Payam> 7. The Best Practices

<Payam> i. Linking Data

<Payam> ii. Publishing data with clear semantics

<Payam> iii. Exposing datasets through APIs

<Payam> iv. Enabling discovery

<Payam> v. Assigning identifiers to real world things and information resources

<Payam> vi. Expressing spatial data – vocabularies & encodings

<Payam> A. (geo)spatial information

<Payam> B. temporal information

<Payam> C. sensor data

<Payam> vii. Dealing with large datasets

<Payam> viii. Displaying spatial data on maps (IMO out of scope - LvdB)

<Payam> 8. Conclusions

<Payam> 9. Glossary

<BartvanLeeuwen> Linda: document only availble as word

<Payam> 10. Cross-reference of use-cases against best practices

<Payam> A. Acknowledgements

<Payam> B. References

<Payam> i. Normative references

<Payam> it's a bit messy- sorry about that

<Payam> I copied/pasted from a word file

<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: this is not a final document structure, but we think these are the sections we need to fill out

<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: some might go out during the process

<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: we wanted to have the sections in place before the Sapporo F2F

<BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: we will start writing on the BP during the F2F, that is the main focus of the meeting.

<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: we are keen on getting feedback on the content, there will be an editor's draft by the end of the afternoon

<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: the structure is the same structure as the DWBP document

<Linda> Addition: request to anyone to review the TOC so that we can work with an agreed structure next week in Sapporo.

<BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: request to anyone to review the TOC so that we can work with an agreed structure next week in Sapporo.

<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: explains the structure of the document, general w3c parts

<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: audience is important topic, who do we write this for

<kerry> +1 to addressing Geospatial experts without web knowledge?

<kerry> +1 to Displaying spatial data on maps is out of scope

<Payam> +q

<BartvanLeeuwen> frans: this is supposed to be a BP document, and not a 'best theories' document. we need evidence, how will the evidence be included

<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: one of the points we need to include in the description of the best practices is examples

<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: and we need to have be able to point to those examples.

<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: there will be adaption required to make it work

<BartvanLeeuwen> Payam: if we have content in the document, we will be asking for examples and links to descriptions

<BartvanLeeuwen> Payam: if you point to examples and best practices from the public mail archive I'll pick them up there.

<BartvanLeeuwen> joshli: I hope we don't get hung up on links, they might not be persistent

<BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: we do have the oportunity to construct the evidence ourselves

<Payam> +1 joshli - good examples will be also very helpful

<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: Linda and geonovum have a tender for testbed for these best practices

<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: there will be a gap, things that should be done, but are not being done. we need to be carefull to include them, we have to be careful to not put in theories.

<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: maybe we need a note for 'emerging practices'

<ahaller2> +1 emerging practises

<BartvanLeeuwen> frans: in the UCR somebody put his sources in the Github repository to prevent ' link rot'

Summary of discussion on linking data

<jtandy> https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Linking_Data

<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: we are trying to continue the discussion from last weeks call

<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: the offline notes are on the wiki: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Linking_Data

<BartvanLeeuwen> Topic: Sapporo Communication: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/F2F_Sapporo

<BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: we will have TOC of our BP in github

<BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: the people in sapporo will be working on that document

<BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: we will be keeping github up to date

<BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: we will have a meeting record on IRC, but not minute to minute like today

<BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: IRC will be the channel to contact us

<BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: hopefully we probably will have Webex, IRC is the best way to get to us

<BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: at 5PM local time we will do a catch up session

<BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: we are expecting a few people to come along to talk to us from other groups

<BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: Sato taraki ? will talk about SVG , Hadley Beaman , and IOT interest group, and even timbl signed up

<BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: Dinner sunday night, for anyone who want to show up

<Linda> bad timing Jeremy

<BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: there is a adhoc on the wednesday

<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: there will be geojson people as well.

<jtandy> https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Linking_Data#Summary_of_discussion

Summary of discussion on linking data

<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: our focus will be on gathering content, not polished documents. bullet points are good, as long as it is public

<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: kerry called it 'drafty'

<jtandy> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sdw-wg/2015Oct/0105.html

<jtandy> JSON a link poor format

<BartvanLeeuwen> joshli: the linking in JSON-LD needs more best practices

<BartvanLeeuwen> joshli: what types of interactions we have on a resource

<frans> +1 to looking at raw HTTP as an API

<kerry> bart says the new linked data platform working grop will be attacking this

<BartvanLeeuwen> hydra: http://www.hydra-cg.com/

<kerry> ... and bart says we should point to that instead of inventing here

<kerry> ... bart says the linked data platform mailing list discusses this - and the hydra one too -- cannot point to anything directly

<kerry> ACTION: bart to assemble linkks to actionable data on the web for sapporo meeting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-sdw-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-84 - Assemble linkks to actionable data on the web for sapporo meeting [on Bart van Leeuwen - due 2015-10-28].

<kerry> bart wants us not to stretch too far in that direction but to leave to others

<jtandy> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sdw-wg/2015Oct/0125.html

<jtandy> Does 'Feature' = 'Real World Thing'?

<joshli> departing the IRC but staying on phone. Ta

<kerry> agreed -- i was surprised to see the variation in interpretation of "feature"

<frans> I agree with Kerry

<Payam> I have to leave. thank you all.

<BartvanLeeuwen> yup

<kerry> rrsagent make logs public

<frans> Have a good day or night!

<Linda> ok thanks bye

<Alejandro_Llaves> Thanks, bye!

<kerry> rrsagent draft minutes

<MattPerry> bye

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