- From: Ralph R. Swick <swick@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:23:08 -0500
- To: public-swd-wg@w3.org
The record of today's Semantic Web Deployment Working Group telecon
is now available:
http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action03
A text snapshot follows.
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SWD WG
25 Nov 2008
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Nov/0103.html
See also: [3]IRC log, previous [4]2008-11-18
[3] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-irc
[4] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-swd-minutes.html
Attendees
Present
Tom Baker, Ralph Swick, Diego Berrueta, Ed Summers, Antoine
Isaac, Daniel Rubin, Guus Schreiber, Margherita Sini,
Alistair Miles, Jon Phipps
Regrets
Sean Bechhofer, Ben Adida
Chair
Guus
Scribe
Ralph
Contents
* Topics
1. Admin
2. RDFa
3. Recipes
4. RDFa Metadata Note
5. Other Business
6. SKOS
7. issue 36
8. RDFa markup in SKOS Reference
9. Features at Risk
* Summary of Action Items
_____________________________________________________
Admin
RESOLUTION: accept minutes of the last telecon:
[16]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-swd-minutes.html
[16] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-swd-minutes.html
RDFa
ACTION: [CONTINUES] Ben review RDFa Use Cases and propose transition
to Group Note [recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[17] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-swd-minutes.html#action02
-> [18]meeting record: 2008-11-20 RDFa telecon
[18] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Nov/0095.html
Recipes
Diego: Tom sent mail about a broken reference in the document
... should we publish an updated Note?
Ralph: did we include a link to an errata document?
Diego: the URI is still served but the document we want has moved
<Zakim> TomB, you wanted to ask if it is clear what we should cite
Tom: it's not clear what the intention of the Tag document is
-> [19][Recipes] Reference to httpRange-14 [18]
[19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Nov/0078.html
[18] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Nov/0095.html
ACTION: Diego write a proposal to republish Recipes with the
httpRange-14 reference corrected and a link to an errata document
[recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action02]
RDFa Metadata Note
ACTION: Ralph post his comments on the editor's draft of the
metadata note [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action03]
Diego: I exchanged email with Ivan Herman
... apart from a couple of technical notes about the content, he
said it would be important to let Ian Jacobs and Dominique
Hazael-Massieux know of this work
<edsu> +1 for having them review
Ralph: I'd like the WG to produce one more editor's draft before we
ask them for their review time
... not that the document is seriously flawed but I don't think
we'll get them to review it many times
Other Business
Guus: good to see the translations of RDFa Primer and Recipes
-> [22]French translations [23]
[22] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Nov/0098.html
[23] http://www.w3.org/2008/10/21-swd-minutes.html#action10
ACTION: [CONTINUES] Guus to look at OWL documents for review
[recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/21-swd-minutes.html#action10]
[23] http://www.w3.org/2008/10/21-swd-minutes.html#action10
Guus: SWD review of CURIE draft - done?
[24]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Oct/0214.h
tml
[24] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Oct/0214.html
Ralph: I think that's done and CURIE has moved on
SKOS
Alistair: issues 135, 153, 175, 157, 186
... these 5 are the only issues for which we have not sent a
response
Guus: we still have 34 open issues
Alistair: we have responses back from several commentors that I
haven't yet entered into tracker
... there are also several from whom we've not heard back
Guus: after a reasonable amount of time we can close the issue if we
haven't heard back
Alistair: as far as I know, only one issue has ongoing discussion
Antoine: issue 160
Alistair: it appears that Doug would be satisfied with changes to
the Primer; he's looking for more guidance, not a change in the spec
-> [25]issue 160; Allowing collections in semantic relationships
[25] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/160
-- issue 135
-> [26]issue 135; rdfs:label
[26] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/135
Guus: you're still waiting on my input
Alistair: yes, we'd like Guus and Jeremey's implementation input
ACTION: [CONTINUES] Guus and Jeremy to give concrete implementation
examples of the use of rdfs:label w/ SKOS [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-swd-minutes.html#action10]
[27] http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-swd-minutes.html#action10
-> [28]ISSUE-135 draft response [25]
[28] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Nov/0104.html
[25] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/160
ACTION: [DONE] Sean to propose a resolution to ISSUE-135 [recorded
in [29]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-swd-minutes.html#action06]
[29] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-swd-minutes.html#action06
Guus: Sean's mail reflects the discussion we had last week
... I agree with it; change the label properties to be subproperties
of owl:AnnotationProperty
Antoine: draft response is OK with me
Alistair: I'm not using OWL so I don't have a strong perspective on
this
Guus: as an OWL Full user, I don't have any problems anyway
... I'm fine with the change if it helps OWL DL folk
... there is a logic behind it
RESOLUTION: draft response to issue 135 in
[30]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Nov/0104.h
tml accepted
[30] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Nov/0104.html
ACTION: Alistair send issue 135 response from
[31]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Nov/0104.h
tml [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action08]
[31] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Nov/0104.html
-- issue 157
-> [33]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/157 issue 157;
SKOS and OWL 2 analysis
[33] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/157
Alistair: I believe Sean was going to identify those parts of SKOS
that are outside of OWL DL
... I think Sean may be expecting Guus to respond as well
ACTION: Guus discuss response to issue 157 with Sean [recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action12]
-- issue 153
-> [35]issue 153; SKOS namespace change question
[35] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/153
Guus: last discussion we were moving in the direction of keeping the
old namespace
Alistair: yes, I believe Sean was going to draft a proposed
resolution to keep the old namespace
-- issue 186
ACTION: [DONE] Guus to propose answer for issue 186 [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/21-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[36] http://www.w3.org/2008/10/21-swd-minutes.html#action02
Guus: I completed that action
ACTION: Guus send response for issue 186 [recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action10]
-> [38]ISSUE 186 - draft response [18]
[38] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Nov/0079.html
[18] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Nov/0095.html
ACTION: Sean to add rdf:type and rdf:Property assertions to the skos
schema [recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-swd-minutes.html#action07]
[CONTINUES]
[39] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-swd-minutes.html#action07
<aliman> [40]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/20081001/
[40] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/20081001/
-- issue 175
-> [41]SKOS namespace change question II
[41] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/175
Ralph: nothing new in 175, right? Duplicate of 153
Alistair: yes, it was primarily Jeremey noting that had he been in
the WG at the time he would have voted to keep the old namespace
Alistair: there was further discussion about making mappingRelation
a subproperty of semanticRelation
ACTION: Alistair add an issue for Bernard's comment on
mappingRelation and draft a response [recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action13]
issue 36
<Antoine>
[43]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Nov/0015.h
tml
[43] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Nov/0015.html
Antoine: I had a comment about part of resolution for issue 36
missing from the spec
-> [44]issue 36; ConceptSchemeContainment
[44] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/36
Antoine: Doug asked for pointer to the final resolution of this
issue
... and I couldn't cite it for him
Alistair: we initially suggested the use of RDF named graphs and
that we'd cite this in the references
... later, Sean thought this was out-of-scope for SKOS Reference
... and we removed a number of informational appendices, this among
them
... this appendix was only a place-holder anyway
... I'd be happy for content to be added to the Primer
Antoine: there's a sentence in the Primer already mentioning
possible use of RDF named graphs
Guus: we could add an example
Ralph: I'm reluctant to add examples when named graphs haven't been
standardized
Alistair: could show SPARQL usage
Guus: yes, a procedural method to handle this
Antoine: I can think about some examples, perhaps not in the place
where the current note appears
Guus: 1 or 2 SPARQL examples would be sufficient
ACTION: Antoine propose 1 or 2 SPARQL examples showing named graph
usage [recorded in
[45]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action14]
RDFa markup in SKOS Reference
ACTION: Ralph to report on use of RDFa metadata in Recommendations.
[recorded in
[46]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[CONTINUES]
[46] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-swd-minutes.html#action02
Ralph: We can certainly do SKOS CR with RDFa markup
Guus: next week can we be prepared to close issues in tracker and
have draft responses for the remaining 5 issues
... should we meet next week?
Alistair: I'd like to keep our momentum up
Features at Risk
Guus: we've discussed the namespace question
[[
At Risk of Change: The relationships between the properties
skos:exactMatch, skos:broadMatch and skos:narrowMatch may be changed
in future versions of this specification. In particular, property
chain axioms may be introduced.
]]
-- [47]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/20081001/#L5675
[47] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/20081001/#L5675
Alistair: I don't recall any comments addressing this
Guus: so we should leave it as is
Alistair: agree
Guus: topConceptOf
Alistair: I don't think Kjetil objects
Antoine: [48]issue 176 draft response
[48] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Oct/0151.html
Alistair: there was confusion here; Jeremey did comment but only on
whether we should hesitate to express something not in OWL1
... Sean just clarified that we were hesitating not because of OWL1
v. OWL2 concerns but because we couldn't reach a definitive decision
about the feature at all
<Antoine> [49]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/163
[49] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/163
-- issue 163
Antoine: minor editorial issue 163
<Antoine> [50]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/164
[50] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/164
Antoine: issue 164 implied some extensive modifications to the
Primer but Doug approved the changes we did make
... so nothing particularly substantial
... I drafted proposed responses
<Antoine> proposal:
[51]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Nov/0074.h
tml
[51] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Nov/0074.html
RESOLUTION: accept resolution to issues 163 and 164 per Antoine's
email of 18 Nov;
[52]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Nov/0074.h
tml
[52] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Nov/0074.html
RESOLUTION: Next telecon 2 Dec
[adjourned]
ACTION: [PENDING] Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of
Recipes implementations] [recorded in
[53]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20]
[53] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Alistair add an issue for Bernard's comment on
mappingRelation and draft a response [recorded in
[54]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action13]
[NEW] ACTION: Alistair send issue 135 response from
[55]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Nov/0104.h
tml [recorded in
[56]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: Antoine propose 1 or 2 SPARQL examples showing named
graph usage [recorded in
[57]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action14]
[NEW] ACTION: Diego write a proposal to republish Recipes with the
httpRange-14 reference corrected and a link to an errata document
[recorded in
[58]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Guus discuss response to issue 157 with Sean [recorded
in [59]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action12]
[NEW] ACTION: Guus send response for issue 186 [recorded in
[60]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action10]
[NEW] ACTION: Ralph post his comments on the editor's draft of the
metadata note [recorded in
[61]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action03]
[55] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Nov/0104.html
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben review RDFa Use Cases and propose transition
to Group Note [recorded in
[62]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[PENDING] ACTION: Guus and Jeremy to give concrete implementation
examples of the use of rdfs:label w/ SKOS [recorded in
[63]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-swd-minutes.html#action10]
[PENDING] ACTION: Guus to look at OWL documents for review [recorded
in [64]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/21-swd-minutes.html#action10]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph to report on use of RDFa metadata in
Recommendations. [recorded in
[65]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of
Recipes implementations] [recorded in
[66]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20]
[PENDING] ACTION: Sean to add rdf:type and rdf:Property assertions
to the skos schema [recorded in
[67]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-swd-minutes.html#action07]
[62] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-swd-minutes.html#action02
[63] http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-swd-minutes.html#action10
[64] http://www.w3.org/2008/10/21-swd-minutes.html#action10
[65] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-swd-minutes.html#action02
[66] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20
[67] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-swd-minutes.html#action07
[DONE] ACTION: Guus to propose answer for issue 186 [recorded in
[68]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/21-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[DONE] ACTION: Sean to propose a resolution to ISSUE-135 [recorded
in [69]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-swd-minutes.html#action06]
[68] http://www.w3.org/2008/10/21-swd-minutes.html#action02
[69] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-swd-minutes.html#action06
[End of minutes]
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