ISSUE-97: Comment on ITS 2.0 specification WD - HTML translate

html translate

Comment on ITS 2.0 specification WD - HTML translate

State:
CLOSED
Product:
MLW-LT Standard Draft
Raised by:
Felix Sasaki
Opened on:
2013-01-20
Description:
See
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments/2013Jan/0111.html
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  1. Bled meeting: Review of issue 90 to 105 (from dave.lewis@cs.tcd.ie on 2013-05-07)
  2. Re: ISSUE-97 html translate, and global rules and inheritance (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-05-03)
  3. Re: ISSUE-97 html translate, and global rules and inheritance (from karl.fritsche@cocomore.com on 2013-05-03)
  4. Re: ISSUE-97 html translate, and global rules and inheritance (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-05-02)
  5. RE: ISSUE-97 html translate, and global rules and inheritance (from ysavourel@enlaso.com on 2013-05-02)
  6. Re: ISSUE-97 html translate, and global rules and inheritance (from jirka@kosek.cz on 2013-05-02)
  7. Re: ISSUE-97 html translate, and global rules and inheritance (from karl.fritsche@cocomore.com on 2013-05-02)
  8. ISSUE-97 html translate, and global rules and inheritance (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-05-02)
  9. RE: [Minutes] MLW-LT call 2013-04-24 and plan to move forward with spec and implementations (from pablo.nieto@linguaserve.com on 2013-04-24)
  10. [Minutes] MLW-LT call 2013-04-24 and plan to move forward with spec and implementations (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-04-24)
  11. Re: [Agenda] MLW-LT call 24 April noon UTC (from tadej.stajner@ijs.si on 2013-04-24)
  12. Re: [Agenda] MLW-LT call 24 April noon UTC (from David.Filip@ul.ie on 2013-04-24)
  13. [Agenda, update] MLW-LT call 24 April noon UTC (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-04-24)
  14. Re: [Agenda] MLW-LT call 24 April noon UTC (from philr@vistatec.ie on 2013-04-24)
  15. RE: [Agenda] MLW-LT call 24 April noon UTC (from olaf@stefanov.at on 2013-04-24)
  16. [Agenda] MLW-LT call 24 April noon UTC (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-04-23)
  17. RE: [ACTION-487][ISSUE-97][ISSUE--118] HTML5 Defaults (from ysavourel@enlaso.com on 2013-04-19)
  18. Re: [ACTION-487][ISSUE-97][ISSUE--118] HTML5 Defaults (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-04-19)
  19. RE: [ACTION-487][ISSUE-97][ISSUE--118] HTML5 Defaults (from ysavourel@enlaso.com on 2013-04-19)
  20. Re: [ACTION-487][ISSUE-97][ISSUE--118] HTML5 Defaults (from jirka@kosek.cz on 2013-04-19)
  21. Re: [ACTION-487][ISSUE-97][ISSUE--118] HTML5 Defaults (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-04-19)
  22. Re: [ACTION-487][ISSUE-97][ISSUE--118] HTML5 Defaults (from jirka@kosek.cz on 2013-04-17)
  23. Re: [Minutes] MLW-LT call 2013-04-17 (from dave.lewis@cs.tcd.ie on 2013-04-17)
  24. RE: [ACTION-487][ISSUE-97][ISSUE--118] HTML5 Defaults (from ysavourel@enlaso.com on 2013-04-17)
  25. Re: [ACTION-487][ISSUE-97][ISSUE--118] HTML5 Defaults (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-04-17)
  26. [Minutes] MLW-LT call 2013-04-17 (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-04-17)
  27. Re: [ACTION-487][ISSUE-97][ISSUE--118] HTML5 Defaults (from jirka@kosek.cz on 2013-04-17)
  28. Re: [ACTION-487][ISSUE-97][ISSUE--118] HTML5 Defaults (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-04-17)
  29. Re: [ACTION-487][ISSUE-97][ISSUE--118] HTML5 Defaults (from joerg@bioloom.de on 2013-04-17)
  30. Re: [ACTION-487][ISSUE-97][ISSUE--118] HTML5 Defaults (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-04-17)
  31. Re: [Agenda] MLW-LT call 17 April 2013, noon UTC (from joerg@bioloom.de on 2013-04-17)
  32. Re: [ACTION-487][ISSUE-97][ISSUE--118] HTML5 Defaults (from jirka@kosek.cz on 2013-04-17)
  33. Re: [ACTION-487][ISSUE-97][ISSUE--118] HTML5 Defaults (from joerg@bioloom.de on 2013-04-17)
  34. Re: [ACTION-487][ISSUE-97][ISSUE--118] HTML5 Defaults (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-04-17)
  35. Re: [ACTION-487][ISSUE-97][ISSUE--118] HTML5 Defaults (from jirka@kosek.cz on 2013-04-17)
  36. RE: [ACTION-487][ISSUE-97][ISSUE--118] HTML5 Defaults (from ysavourel@enlaso.com on 2013-04-16)
  37. [Agenda] MLW-LT call 17 April 2013, noon UTC (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-04-16)
  38. RE: [ACTION-487][ISSUE-97][ISSUE--118] HTML5 Defaults (from pablo.nieto@linguaserve.com on 2013-04-16)
  39. RE: [ACTION-487][ISSUE-97][ISSUE--118] HTML5 Defaults (from pablo.nieto@linguaserve.com on 2013-04-16)
  40. Re: [ACTION-487][ISSUE-97][ISSUE--118] HTML5 Defaults (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-04-16)
  41. RE: [ACTION-487][ISSUE-97][ISSUE--118] HTML5 Defaults (from ysavourel@enlaso.com on 2013-04-16)
  42. Re: [ACTION-487][ISSUE-97][ISSUE--118] HTML5 Defaults (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-04-16)
  43. RE: [ACTION-487][ISSUE-97][ISSUE--118] HTML5 Defaults (from pablo.nieto@linguaserve.com on 2013-04-16)
  44. RE: [ACTION-487][ISSUE-97][ISSUE--118] HTML5 Defaults (from ysavourel@enlaso.com on 2013-04-15)
  45. Re: [ACTION-487][ISSUE-97][ISSUE--118] HTML5 Defaults (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-04-15)
  46. RE: [ACTION-487][ISSUE-97][ISSUE--118] HTML5 Defaults (from ysavourel@enlaso.com on 2013-04-15)
  47. Re: [ACTION-487][ISSUE-97][ISSUE--118] HTML5 Defaults (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-04-15)
  48. [ACTION-487][ISSUE-97][ISSUE--118] HTML5 Defaults (from ysavourel@enlaso.com on 2013-04-12)
  49. RE: [Agenda] MLW-LT call 10 April 2013, noon UTC (from olaf@stefanov.at on 2013-04-10)
  50. Re: [Agenda] MLW-LT call 10 April 2013, noon UTC (from joerg.schuetz@bioloom.de on 2013-04-09)
  51. [Agenda] MLW-LT call 10 April 2013, noon UTC (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-04-09)
  52. [All] ITS2 unresolved issues health check (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-04-08)
  53. [Minutes] MLW-LT call 2013-04-03 (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-04-04)
  54. [Agenda] DRAFT MLW-LT call 3 April, noon UTC (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-04-03)
  55. RE: [ISSUE-97] HTML translate (from pablo.nieto@linguaserve.com on 2013-04-02)
  56. [ISSUE-97] HTML translate (from ysavourel@enlaso.com on 2013-04-01)
  57. Re: [Agenda] MLW-LT call 27 March, 1 p.m. UTC (from olaf@stefanov.at on 2013-03-27)
  58. [Agenda] MLW-LT call 27 March, 1 p.m. UTC (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-03-27)
  59. Re: [Agenda] MLW-LT call Wednesday 27 February, 1 p.m. UTC (from joerg@bioloom.de on 2013-02-27)
  60. [Agenda] MLW-LT call Wednesday 27 February, 1 p.m. UTC (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-02-27)
  61. Re: mismatch of html translate and ITS translate (from David.Filip@ul.ie on 2013-02-22)
  62. mismatch of html translate and ITS translate (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-02-22)
  63. Translate in html (related to issue-97) (from ysavourel@enlaso.com on 2013-02-21)
  64. RE: New dial in details to come (Re: [Minutes] Prague f2f (draft) and Monday call) (from sgladkoff@logrus.ru on 2013-01-28)
  65. New dial in details to come (Re: [Minutes] Prague f2f (draft) and Monday call) (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-01-28)
  66. Re: [Minutes] Prague f2f (draft) and Monday call (from naoto.nishio@ul.ie on 2013-01-27)
  67. [Minutes] Prague f2f (draft) and Monday call (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-01-27)
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  69. Re: [Minutes] MLW-LT call 2013-01-21 and "sheperds" ... (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-01-21)
  70. mlw-lt-track-ISSUE-97: Comment on ITS 2.0 specification WD - HTML translate [MLW-LT Standard Draft] (from sysbot+tracker@w3.org on 2013-01-20)

Related notes:

Proposed change:

Add a second note to 8.2.2 local to clarify ITS and HTML5 translate attribute are processed the same.

"Since the translate attribute is processed like the HTML5 translate attribute, the latter is to be used in HTML5 in place of the ITS attribute."

Karl Fritsche, 23 Jan 2013, 10:57:56

"In HTML 5 the native HTML 5 translate attribute MUST be used to express the Translate data category."

Karl Fritsche, 23 Jan 2013, 11:44:11

Re-opening this since "translate" behaviour is not decided yet

Felix Sasaki, 2 May 2013, 04:33:46

Closed with this edit in the Translate section:
[
The Translate data category can be expressed with global rules, or locally on an individual element. Handling of inheritance and interaction between elements and attributes is different for XML content versus [HTML5] content.

For XML: for elements, the data category information inherits to the textual content of the element, including child elements, but excluding attributes. The default is that elements are translatable and attributes are not.

The interpretation of the translate attribute is given in HTML5.
]
"HTML5" links to http://www.w3.org/TR/html51/dom.html#the-translate-attribute

Felix Sasaki, 7 May 2013, 22:18:37

RESOLUTION: accepted

Felix Sasaki, 7 May 2013, 22:19:01

CHANGE-TYPE: substantive

Felix Sasaki, 7 May 2013, 22:19:14

DECISION-DETAILS: for "translate" attribute in HTML5 we now just refer to the HTML5.1 spec.

Felix Sasaki, 7 May 2013, 22:19:43

COMMENTER-RESPONSE: satisfied

Felix Sasaki, 7 May 2013, 22:19:56

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