ISSUE-118: HTML ITS default behaviour

HTML ITS default behaviour

State:
CLOSED
Product:
MLW-LT Standard Draft
Raised by:
Felix Sasaki
Opened on:
2013-02-22
Description:
We need to specifiy a rules file expressing default behaviour for HTML. It should accomodate
- settings in existing tools
- backwards compatibility (HTML4, XHTML ...)
- forwards compatibility (e.g. specifiyng the file, but having a link to an easy to update wiki with the "latest" rules)
- a should (or must?) statement about what ITS processors should (or must?) do.
- make clear that if a tool implements only one data category, it doesn't have to take defaults for others into account
- make precedence clear, that is relation of inherited values to default rules.
- anything else?
Related Actions Items:
Related emails:
  1. [Minutes] MLW-LT f2f (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-05-13)
  2. Re: action-497 edits related to HTML defaults (actually only "elements within text" and "language information") (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-05-03)
  3. Re: Explanation of relation between HTML and ITS 2.0 (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-04-29)
  4. RE: Explanation of relation between HTML and ITS 2.0 (from ysavourel@enlaso.com on 2013-04-29)
  5. Re: Explanation of relation between HTML and ITS 2.0 (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-04-29)
  6. RE: [Minutes] MLW-LT call 2013-04-24 and plan to move forward with spec and implementations (from pablo.nieto@linguaserve.com on 2013-04-24)
  7. [Minutes] MLW-LT call 2013-04-24 and plan to move forward with spec and implementations (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-04-24)
  8. Re: [Agenda] MLW-LT call 24 April noon UTC (from tadej.stajner@ijs.si on 2013-04-24)
  9. Re: [Agenda] MLW-LT call 24 April noon UTC (from David.Filip@ul.ie on 2013-04-24)
  10. [Agenda, update] MLW-LT call 24 April noon UTC (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-04-24)
  11. Re: [Agenda] MLW-LT call 24 April noon UTC (from philr@vistatec.ie on 2013-04-24)
  12. RE: [Agenda] MLW-LT call 24 April noon UTC (from olaf@stefanov.at on 2013-04-24)
  13. [Agenda] MLW-LT call 24 April noon UTC (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-04-23)
  14. Re: [Minutes] MLW-LT call 2013-04-17 (from dave.lewis@cs.tcd.ie on 2013-04-17)
  15. Re: [ACTION-487][ISSUE-97][ISSUE--118] HTML5 Defaults (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-04-17)
  16. [Minutes] MLW-LT call 2013-04-17 (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-04-17)
  17. Re: [ACTION-487][ISSUE-97][ISSUE--118] HTML5 Defaults (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-04-17)
  18. Re: [Agenda] MLW-LT call 17 April 2013, noon UTC (from joerg@bioloom.de on 2013-04-17)
  19. [Agenda] MLW-LT call 17 April 2013, noon UTC (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-04-16)
  20. [Minutes] MLW-LT call 2013-04-10 (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-04-11)
  21. RE: [Agenda] MLW-LT call 10 April 2013, noon UTC (from olaf@stefanov.at on 2013-04-10)
  22. Re: [Agenda] MLW-LT call 10 April 2013, noon UTC (from joerg.schuetz@bioloom.de on 2013-04-09)
  23. [Agenda] MLW-LT call 10 April 2013, noon UTC (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-04-09)
  24. [All] ITS2 unresolved issues health check (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-04-08)
  25. Fwd: [Bug 21421] New: add aria-label to list of translatable attributes in html 5.1 (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-03-28)
  26. Re: [Agenda] MLW-LT call 27 March, 1 p.m. UTC (from olaf@stefanov.at on 2013-03-27)
  27. [Agenda] MLW-LT call 27 March, 1 p.m. UTC (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-03-27)
  28. Re: ISSUE-118: HTML ITS default behaviour - starting point, ACTION-452 (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-03-22)
  29. Re: ISSUE-118: HTML ITS default behaviour - starting point, ACTION-452 (from karl.fritsche@cocomore.com on 2013-03-21)
  30. Re: ISSUE-118: HTML ITS default behaviour - starting point, ACTION-452 (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-03-20)
  31. Re: ISSUE-118: HTML ITS default behaviour - starting point, ACTION-452 (from philr@vistatec.ie on 2013-03-20)
  32. Re: ISSUE-118: HTML ITS default behaviour - starting point, ACTION-452 (from jirka@kosek.cz on 2013-03-20)
  33. Re: ISSUE-118: HTML ITS default behaviour - starting point, ACTION-452 (from pablo.nieto@linguaserve.com on 2013-03-20)
  34. Re: ISSUE-118: HTML ITS default behaviour - starting point, ACTION-452 (from karl.fritsche@cocomore.com on 2013-03-20)
  35. Re: [Agenda] MLW-LT call 20 March, 1 p.m. UTC (from joerg@bioloom.de on 2013-03-20)
  36. [Agenda] MLW-LT call 20 March, 1 p.m. UTC (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-03-19)
  37. issue-118 (Fwd: [Bug 21084] Clarify that only certain attributes need translation, such as alt="", title="", lang="", perhaps href="", hreflang="", but not attributes such as class=""/id=""/style="".) (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-03-09)
  38. RE: ISSUE-118: HTML ITS default behaviour - starting point, ACTION-452 => idValue (from ysavourel@enlaso.com on 2013-03-04)
  39. RE: ISSUE-118: HTML ITS default behaviour - starting point, ACTION-452 => idValue (from pablo.nieto@linguaserve.com on 2013-03-04)
  40. agenda+ handling of default values in the test suite (Re: [Agenda] MLW-LT WG call 4 March 2013, 3 p.m. UTC) (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-03-04)
  41. RE: [Agenda] MLW-LT WG call 4 March 2013, 3 p.m. UTC (from pablo.nieto@linguaserve.com on 2013-03-04)
  42. [Agenda] MLW-LT WG call 4 March 2013, 3 p.m. UTC (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-03-04)
  43. Request: describe also what is *not* working (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-02-27)
  44. RE: ISSUE-118: HTML ITS default behaviour - starting point, ACTION-452 => idValue (from ysavourel@enlaso.com on 2013-02-27)
  45. RE: ISSUE-118: HTML ITS default behaviour - starting point, ACTION-452 => idValue (from fliden@enlaso.com on 2013-02-27)
  46. RE: ISSUE-118: HTML ITS default behaviour - starting point, ACTION-452 (from ysavourel@enlaso.com on 2013-02-27)
  47. Re: ISSUE-118: HTML ITS default behaviour - starting point, ACTION-452 (from karl.fritsche@cocomore.com on 2013-02-27)
  48. Re: ISSUE-118: HTML ITS default behaviour - starting point, ACTION-452 (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-02-27)
  49. ISSUE-118: HTML ITS default behaviour - starting point, ACTION-452 (from ysavourel@enlaso.com on 2013-02-27)
  50. Re: [Agenda] MLW-LT call Wednesday 27 February, 1 p.m. UTC (from joerg@bioloom.de on 2013-02-27)
  51. [Agenda] MLW-LT call Wednesday 27 February, 1 p.m. UTC (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-02-27)
  52. RE: [Issue-70] Defined order of precedence missing inherited local values [Action-437] (from fliden@enlaso.com on 2013-02-25)
  53. AW: [Agenda] MLW-LT WG 25 February, 3 p.m. UTC (from Clemens.Weins@cocomore.com on 2013-02-25)
  54. [Agenda] MLW-LT WG 25 February, 3 p.m. UTC (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-02-25)
  55. RE: [Issue-70] Defined order of precedence missing inherited local values [Action-437] (from ysavourel@enlaso.com on 2013-02-24)
  56. RE: issue-118 HTML ITS default behaviour (from mauricio.delolmo@linguaserve.com on 2013-02-22)
  57. issue-118 HTML ITS default behaviour (from fsasaki@w3.org on 2013-02-22)
  58. mlw-lt-track-ISSUE-118: HTML ITS default behaviour [MLW-LT Standard Draft] (from sysbot+tracker@w3.org on 2013-02-22)

Related notes:

Pablo promised to send additional comments to https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21084

Jirka Kosek, 29 Mar 2013, 13:26:27

Resolution is at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Apr/0139.html
Citing here:
So we would add the defaults in the specifications for Element Within Text, (since Language Information and Id Value are already there), and just have a note stating why no defaults are defined for Translate (attribute and elements, not just attribute).

And, I suppose this is where Felix' idea of referencing a wiki page would play, we could add a pointer to the page in the ITS-IG wiki that define the temporary best guess we have for Translate at this time.

As for HTML5 vs XHTML5: I'd say our defaults would apply to both. But we don't mention anything below that because they are out of scope.

Felix Sasaki, 29 Apr 2013, 09:39:36

Need to continue discussion, see
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Apr/0231.html
and
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Apr/0232.html

Felix Sasaki, 29 Apr 2013, 12:50:09

Closed with
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013May/0039.html

Felix Sasaki, 3 May 2013, 07:06:31

RESOLUTION: accepted

Felix Sasaki, 5 May 2013, 15:13:23

COMMENTER-RESPONSE: satisfied, see http://www.w3.org/mid/518361C2.4090409%2540w3.org

Felix Sasaki, 5 May 2013, 15:13:56

CHANGE-TYPE: substantive

Felix Sasaki, 5 May 2013, 15:14:17

DECISION-DETAILS: we added defaults for elements within text. The defaults point to the HTML5 CR definition of phrasing content
http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/CR-html5-20121217/dom.html#phrasing-content-1

Felix Sasaki, 5 May 2013, 15:15:35

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