Meeting minutes
Agenda Review
Action Items
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<addison> #192
<gb> Action 192 preparations for TPAC meetings (on xfq) due 2025-11-06
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addison: joel and I had a call eariler this week
<addison> close #192
<gb> Closed issue #192
<addison> #190
<gb> Action 190 add a comment to i18n issue 2039's parent to indicate interest and call for early review/engagement (on aphillips) due 2025-10-23
addison: I have an agenda item for us to discuss that
<addison> close #190
<gb> Closed issue #190
<addison> #189
<gb> Action 189 follow up with shane carr about ecma repo automation (on aphillips) due 2025-10-23
<addison> #187
<gb> Action 187 ping GOOG again for participation (on aphillips) due 2025-10-16
<addison> #185
<gb> Action 185 follow up with PLH on automating TC39 repos (on aphillips) due 2025-10-02
<addison> #135
<gb> Action 135 follow up on XR issue 1393 about locale in session (on aphillips) due 2024-10-17
<addison> #33
<gb> Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG for further review (on aphillips)
<addison> #7
<gb> Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin, r12a, bert-github) due 18 Jul 2023
<addison> #4
<gb> Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on aphillips) due 27 Jul 2023
Info Share
joci: I'm Jocelyn Shen
… graduate student from MIIS
… happy to be a new participant of this WG
… creating videos for our group
… Joci is short for Jocelyn
r12a: is it for Chinese too?
Review RADAR Review
r12a: I don't see you on IRC
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addison: SHACL
… it was 1.1 in 2017
… I reviewed SHACAL 1.0 a long, long time ago
… SHACL is a query language
JSahleen: I'll do it
Pending Issue Review
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<addison> #2040
<gb> Issue 2040 not found
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<gb> Issue 2040 Missing internationalization/localizability from benefits (by aphillips) [pending] [needs-resolution] [t:loc_localization] [s:web-sustainability-guidelines] [ig:sustainableweb]
TPAC Preparation
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addison: we have a bunch of TPAC prep
… with JSahleen's help, I pulled together an agenda parking lot ^
… which is the agenda for Monday
… you can see that the parking lot contains a bunch of things
ACTION: addison: send relevant emails requesting tpac stuff to member
<gb> Created action #193
Fwd: Requesting TAG attend your TPAC meetings
addison: TAG has a thing for requesting if people should come and see us
… do we want the TAG to come talk to us at TPAC?
… you don't have to answer that now, but we should at least think about it
… there are a few things we might talk to them
… they might be interested in DOM localization
… that would touch a lot of things
… ... the second thing is our glossary and the normativity question
… and how that relates to infra
Pointer Events 3 open issue
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<gb> Issue 1853 ‘Logical’ values for the ‘touch-action’ property (by bert-github) [needs-resolution] [t:bidi_markup] [t:typ_logical_x] [s:pointerevents] [wg:pointer-events] [Agenda+]
addison: we have an open issue with pointer events 3
… which they've moved to pointer events 4
… are we okay with them pushinig this item to pointer events 4?
JSahleen: sounds good
My proposal for making WCAG non-western-centric
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<atsushi> breakout
<gb> Issue 38 WCAG 2.2 and non-Latin languages (by iadawn) [session]
addison: we had an issue open, and we've discussed in the past
… WCAG guidelines are super Western-centric
… Murata-san pointed out how these things don't work
… that well with Japanese
… and the high-level discussions that we've had is Western-centric plus Japanese-specific things is still not complete
… they don't yet have a framework for collecting and managing these WCAG text presentation things
r12a: are these guys be at TPAC? because this would be a really useful session to participate in
addison: yes
JSahleen: there's a breakout link
addison: just because we don't know what the accessibility guidelines for line spacing for a particular script family doesn't mean that you don't have to think about it
r12a: you could say leave sufficient interline spacing
JSahleen: two questions
… 1. how this is related to the ruby agenda item?
addison: the ruby agenda is a very specific thing about ruby
addison: they recognize our comment that the world does not speak English
… but they're stuck with how do we know what the other guidelines should be
… and they took a stab at it with 6 representative languages
JSahleen: not broad enough
addison: that's an incomplete solution
… so we need to have more conversation with them
JSahleen: ok
addison: they're not going to have a complete encyclopedia of these things soon
r12a: yeah
addison: that's okay, what they need is a framework for this
… rather than trying to say, well, here's the best we can do
<JcK> presemt+ JcK
addison: we end up with English and Japanese, because thoese are all the people we know
ACTION: addison: contact WCAG about meeting at TPAC about language-related guidelines
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Fwd: Ruby accessibility gap in WCAG and upcoming proposal for WCAG 2.3
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JSahleen: this is the PDF thing
JcK: has anybody discussed this problem with ISO TC 46?
r12a:
JSahleen: the missing piece is not technical capability, but rather an absence of a requirement
addison: a WCAG requirement could say you need to use things to keep the ruby with the base text
ACTION: jsahleen: write back in support of adding ruby-base support in WCAG
<gb> Created action #194
ACTION: addison: contact WCAG about meeting at TPAC about language-related guidelines
<gb> Created action #195
AOB?
r12a: do we have a list of times that you're available to participate?
… JSahleen and addison
addison: I'll send you that for myself
JSahleen: I plan on dialing in on Monday
… that's probably the only time I'll be able to get in
… because the other overlaps with my tutorial at UTW
addison: safe travels
JcK: I look forward to the meeting notes