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14:51:26 <addison> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
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14:53:33 <addison> zakim, who is here?
14:53:33 <Zakim> Present: (no one)
14:53:35 <Zakim> On IRC I see JSahleen, RRSAgent, Zakim, addison, r12a, Bert`, agendabot, csarven, Mek, florian, gb, koji, xfq, ChrisL, astearns, alastairc, jyasskin, Rachael, cwilso, eemeli
14:53:56 <addison> zakim, bye
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14:54:36 <addison> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
14:54:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/11/06-i18n-minutes.html addison
14:55:40 <agendabot> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/2958fbd0-8609-4d69-a040-ab7bd11bc6fb/20251106T150000/
14:55:40 <agendabot> clear agenda
14:55:40 <agendabot> agenda+ Agenda Review
14:55:40 <agendabot> agenda+ Action Items
14:55:42 <agendabot> agenda+ Info Share
14:55:44 <agendabot> agenda+ Review RADAR Review
14:55:46 <agendabot> agenda+ Pending Issue Review
14:55:49 <agendabot> agenda+ TPAC Preparation
14:55:51 <agendabot> agenda+ Pointer Events 3 open issue
14:55:53 <agendabot> agenda+ AOB?
14:56:12 <addison> Chair: Addison, Joel
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14:57:40 <addison> agenda+ Fwd: Ruby accessibility gap in WCAG and upcoming proposal for WCAG 2.3
14:57:51 <addison> agenda+ i18n glossary
14:58:11 <addison> agenda+ My proposal for making WCAG non-western-centric
14:58:26 <addison> agenda+ Fwd: Requesting TAG attend your TPAC meetings
14:58:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/11/06-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:00:46 <xfq> scribe+ xfq
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15:01:27 <JSahleen> present+
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15:01:39 <addison> present+ Addison, Atsushi, Fuqiao, Richard
15:02:05 <r12a> present+
15:02:26 <addison> present+ Bert
15:02:46 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:02:46 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:02:49 <addison> agenda?
15:03:28 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
15:03:28 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:03:39 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues
15:03:51 <addison> #192
15:03:51 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/192 -> Action 192  preparations for TPAC meetings (on xfq) due 2025-11-06
15:04:14 <addison> https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/86ea031d-776b-426e-aa2a-bdf6ba6d50af/
15:04:42 <xfq> addison: joel and I had a call eariler this week
15:05:00 <addison> close #192
15:05:02 <gb> Closed -> issue #192 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/192
15:05:06 <addison> #190
15:05:07 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/190 -> Action 190  add a comment to i18n issue 2039's parent to indicate interest and call for early review/engagement (on aphillips) due 2025-10-23
15:05:09 <xfq> ... I have an agenda item for us to discuss that
15:05:30 <addison> close #190
15:05:32 <gb> Closed -> issue #190 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/190
15:05:34 <addison> #189
15:05:35 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/189 -> Action 189  follow up with shane carr about ecma repo automation (on aphillips) due 2025-10-23
15:05:49 <addison> #187
15:05:50 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/187 -> Action 187  ping GOOG again for participation (on aphillips) due 2025-10-16
15:06:03 <addison> #185
15:06:04 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/185 -> Action 185  follow up with PLH on automating TC39 repos (on aphillips) due 2025-10-02
15:06:14 <addison> #135
15:06:15 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/135 -> Action 135  follow up on XR issue 1393 about locale in session (on aphillips) due 2024-10-17
15:06:18 <addison> #33
15:06:19 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/33 -> Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG for further review (on aphillips)
15:06:27 <addison> #7
15:06:28 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/7 -> Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin, r12a, bert-github) due 18 Jul 2023
15:06:38 <addison> #4
15:06:39 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/4 -> Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on aphillips) due 27 Jul 2023
15:06:49 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
15:06:49 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:06:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/11/06-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:09:57 <xfq> joci: I'm Jocelyn Shen
15:10:19 <xfq> ... graduate student from MIIS
15:10:28 <r12a> q+
15:10:29 <xfq> ... happy to be a new participant of this WG
15:10:40 <addison> ack next
15:10:42 <xfq> ... creating videos for our group
15:11:10 <xfq> ... Joci is short for Jocelyn
15:11:25 <xfq> r12: is it for Chinese too?
15:11:33 <xfq> s/r12:/r12a:/
15:12:35 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
15:12:35 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Review RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:12:38 <xfq> r12a: I don't see you on IRC
15:12:43 <addison> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/91/views/1
15:13:31 <xfq> addison: SHACL
15:13:38 <xfq> ... it was 1.1 in 2017
15:13:49 <xfq> ... I reviewed SHACAL 1.0 a long, long time ago
15:14:02 <xfq> ... SHACL is a query language
15:14:22 <xfq> JSahleen: I'll do it
15:16:11 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 5
15:16:11 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Pending Issue Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:16:19 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Apending
15:16:43 <addison> #2040
15:16:43 <gb> Issue 2040 not found
15:16:49 <addison> i18n-activity#2040
15:16:50 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/2040 -> Issue 2040 Missing internationalization/localizability from benefits (by aphillips) [pending] [needs-resolution] [t:loc_localization] [s:web-sustainability-guidelines] [ig:sustainableweb]
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15:19:09 <addison> agenda?
15:19:27 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 6
15:19:27 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- TPAC Preparation -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:19:39 <addison> https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/86ea031d-776b-426e-aa2a-bdf6ba6d50af/
15:22:14 <xfq> addison: we have a bunch of TPAC prep
15:22:31 <xfq> ... with JSahleen's help, I pulled together an agenda parking lot ^
15:22:39 <xfq> ... which is the agenda for Monday
15:22:56 <xfq> ... you can see that the parking lot contains a bunch of things
15:23:22 <r12a> q+
15:23:27 <addison> ack next
15:24:07 <addison> action: addison: send relevant emails requesting tpac stuff to member
15:24:14 <gb> Created -> action #193 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/193
15:24:26 <addison> agenda?
15:24:45 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 12
15:24:45 <Zakim> agendum 12 -- Fwd: Requesting TAG attend your TPAC meetings -- taken up [from addison]
15:25:14 <xfq> addison: TAG has a thing for requesting if people should come and see us
15:25:25 <xfq> ... do we want the TAG to come talk to us at TPAC?
15:25:40 <xfq> ... you don't have to answer that now, but we should at least think about it
15:26:53 <xfq> ... there are a few things we might talk to them
15:27:02 <xfq> ... they might be interested in DOM localization
15:27:11 <xfq> ... that would touch a lot of things
15:27:28 <xfq> ... ... the second thing is our glossary and the normativity question
15:27:36 <xfq> ... and how that relates to infra
15:28:32 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 7
15:28:32 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- Pointer Events 3 open issue -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:28:50 <addison> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2025OctDec/0037.html
15:28:58 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1853
15:28:58 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1853 -> Issue 1853 ‘Logical’ values for the ‘touch-action’ property (by bert-github) [needs-resolution] [t:bidi_markup] [t:typ_logical_x] [s:pointerevents] [wg:pointer-events] [Agenda+]
15:29:21 <xfq> addison: we have an open issue with pointer events 3
15:29:36 <xfq> ... which they've moved to pointer events 4
15:29:53 <xfq> ... are we okay with them pushinig this item to pointer events 4?
15:30:20 <xfq> JSahleen: sounds good
15:30:35 <addison> agenda?
15:31:29 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 11
15:31:29 <Zakim> agendum 11 -- My proposal for making WCAG non-western-centric -- taken up [from addison]
15:31:40 <addison> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2025OctDec/0045.html
15:31:51 <atsushi> breakout -> https://github.com/w3c/tpac2025-breakouts/issues/38
15:31:52 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/tpac2025-breakouts/issues/38 -> Issue 38 WCAG 2.2 and non-Latin languages (by iadawn) [session]
15:32:11 <xfq> addison: we had an issue open, and we've discussed in the past
15:32:26 <xfq> ... WCAG guidelines are super Western-centric
15:32:43 <xfq> ... Murata-san pointed out how these things don't work
15:32:49 <xfq> ... that well with Japanese
15:33:15 <xfq> ... and the high-level discussions that we've had is Western-centric plus Japanese-specific things is still not complete
15:33:47 <xfq> ... they don't yet have a framework for collecting and managing these WCAG text presentation things
15:34:16 <xfq> r12a: are these guys be at TPAC? because this would be a really useful session to participate in
15:34:19 <xfq> addison: yes
15:34:25 <xfq> JSahleen: there's a breakout link
15:36:56 <xfq> addison: just because we don't know what the accessibility guidelines for line spacing for a particular script family doesn't mean that you don't have to think about it
15:37:55 <xfq> r12a: you could say leave sufficient interline spacing
15:39:34 <JSahleen> q+
15:40:30 <addison> ack next
15:40:43 <xfq> JSahleen: two questions
15:40:56 <xfq> ... 1. how this is related to the ruby agenda item?
15:41:18 <xfq> addison: the ruby agenda is a very specific thing about ruby
15:42:11 <xfq> addison: they recognize our comment that the world does not speak English
15:42:29 <xfq> ... but they're stuck with how do we know what the other guidelines should be
15:42:50 <xfq> ... and they took a stab at it with 6 representative languages
15:42:57 <xfq> JSahleen: not broad enough
15:43:07 <xfq> addison: that's an incomplete solution
15:43:15 <xfq> ... so we need to have more conversation with them
15:43:18 <xfq> JSahleen: ok
15:45:20 <xfq> addison: they're not going to have a complete encyclopedia of these things soon
15:45:23 <xfq> r12a: yeah
15:45:36 <xfq> addison: that's okay, what they need is a framework for this
15:45:49 <xfq> ... rather than trying to say, well, here's the best we can do
15:46:00 <addison> present+ JcK
15:46:05 <JcK> presemt+ JcK
15:46:11 <xfq> ... we end up with English and Japanese, because thoese are all the people we know
15:46:28 <addison> action: addison: contact WCAG about meeting at TPAC about language-related guidelines
15:46:28 <gb> Cannot create action. Error 500
15:47:05 <addison> agenda?
15:47:19 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 9
15:47:19 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- Fwd: Ruby accessibility gap in WCAG and upcoming proposal for WCAG 2.3 -- taken up [from addison]
15:47:31 <addison> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2025OctDec/0044.html
15:48:23 <xfq> JSahleen: this is the PDF thing
15:48:27 <xfq> r12a:
15:48:46 <xfq> s/r12a://
15:48:57 <xfq> JcK: has anybody discussed this problem with ISO TC 46?
15:49:36 <xfq> r12a: maybe we could just ask Adobe to write all the code for PDF
15:49:53 <r12a> s/maybe we could just ask Adobe to write all the code for PDF//
15:50:01 <xfq> JSahleen: the missing piece is not technical capability, but rather an absence of a requirement
15:50:28 <xfq> addison: a WCAG requirement could say you need to use things to keep the ruby with the base text
15:52:01 <addison> action: jsahleen: write back in support of adding ruby-base support in WCAG
15:52:02 <gb> Created -> action #194 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/194
15:52:16 <xfq> RRSAgent, make minutes
15:52:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/11/06-i18n-minutes.html xfq
15:52:47 <addison> ACTION: addison: contact WCAG about meeting at TPAC about language-related guidelines
15:52:48 <gb> Created -> action #195 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/195
15:53:08 <addison> agenda?
15:53:30 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 8
15:53:30 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- AOB? -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:54:06 <xfq> r12a: do we have a list of times that you're available to participate?
15:54:13 <xfq> ... JSahleen and addison
15:54:24 <xfq> addison: I'll send you that for myself
15:54:42 <xfq> JSahleen: I plan on dialing in on Monday
15:54:56 <xfq> ... that's probably the only time I'll be able to get in
15:55:12 <xfq> ... because the other overlaps with my tutorial at UTW
15:56:04 <xfq> addison: safe travels
15:57:26 <xfq> JcK: I look forward to the meeting notes
15:57:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/11/06-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:57:41 <addison> zakim, who is here?
15:57:41 <Zakim> Present: JSahleen, Addison, Atsushi, Fuqiao, Richard, r12a, Bert, Joci, JcK
15:57:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see atsushi, JcK, addison, Zakim, RRSAgent, r12a, Bert`, agendabot, csarven, Mek, florian, gb, koji, xfq, ChrisL, astearns, alastairc, jyasskin, Rachael, cwilso, eemeli
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