Meeting minutes
Agenda Review
Addison: Well, technically, I should wait another minute or so. There might be one or two people who struggle in.
… Eemeli has sent his regrets. I don't know about John Klensin.
… But he sometimes…
… has trouble when we're in this sort of…
… In between time change.
… space.
Action Items
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<addison> #191
<gb> Action 191 ask for more time on web sustainability guidelines (on aphillips) due 2025-10-30
<addison> close #191
<gb> Closed issue #191
<addison> #190
<gb> Action 190 add a comment to i18n issue 2039's parent to indicate interest and call for early review/engagement (on aphillips) due 2025-10-23
addison:
<addison> #189
<gb> Action 189 follow up with shane carr about ecma repo automation (on aphillips) due 2025-10-23
addison: he Webb Sustainability Guidelines, and I did that, and they gave us some, and gave for that.
… So, post.
<addison> #187
<gb> Action 187 ping GOOG again for participation (on aphillips) due 2025-10-16
<addison> #185
<gb> Action 185 follow up with PLH on automating TC39 repos (on aphillips) due 2025-10-02
addison: 189, I'm trading email with Shane. We're gonna get that.
… in place, but it's not finished.
<addison> #136
<gb> Issue 136 follow up on XML errata (by aphillips) [task]
addison: 87 I owe some more email back on that thread,
… They haven't sent anyone, so we'll keep that for now.
<addison> #135
<gb> Action 135 follow up on XR issue 1393 about locale in session (on aphillips) due 2024-10-17
<addison> #33
<gb> Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG for further review (on aphillips)
addison: XML Irata.
… Um, you'll remember…
… that a year ago at this time,
… A little over a year ago at this time, um, we noticed some…
… errata should be published on XML…
… 1.05E.
… And… there was no mechanism anywhere, and uh… Philippe and I…
… went out to try to…
… revivify… he went out to revivify, like, the XML errata list and so on.
<addison> #7
addison: Um, so I need to touch base with him and see when we can get an actual errata.
<gb> Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin, r12a, bert-github) due 18 Jul 2023
addison: Published.
… And as a reminder, the errata has to do with the isolate, the missing isolate characters in…
… Or the addition of isolate characters divided by isolate.
<addison> #4
<gb> Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on aphillips) due 27 Jul 2023
Info Share
addison: I saw no action on a waiting comment resolutions this week.
… Respect Mike Shed is waiting.
Review RADAR Review
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addison: we have no new incoming requests.
… Fuqiao, and it's sushi… I noticed…
… We have a lot of charter review…
… items in I-18N request?
… Do we close those?
… On a regular basis?
addison: We have a lot of charter review…
… items in I-18N request?
… Do we close those?
… On a regular basis?
fugiao: close the corresponding issue in i18n-request.
… CSS Coloradjust 1 is due tomorrow.
… How's that coming, Bert?
addison: 'll add a comment to that later and close it.
… Fuchao. I've given you until January to do the Web Sustainability Guidelines, uh, anything you want to say about it?
Pending Issue Review
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<gb> Issue 2040 Missing internationalization/localizability from benefits (by aphillips) [pending] [needs-resolution] [t:loc_localization] [s:web-sustainability-guidelines] [ig:sustainableweb]
addison: thinkthat's…that's…Certainlyenough.Ineedto…tookalookatit.Thinkoverall,it'sapretty…generaldocument.Idon'texpect…manyproblems.Imean,unlike…like,uh,WorkHat,theyhave…So,yeah,theyhavemorespecific…textmanytimes,butyeah,butthisguidelineis
addison: I also glanced at the sustainability guidelines, because that's always amusing. I did… I did, uh…I did file one. So maybe touch on that quickly.
… It's an early days comment, so we can do a little more work on it.
fuqiao: Sounds good to me. They mentioned. accessibility, compatibility, you mentioned a lot of things
addison: I think there's maybe some… There's things in here that are kind of interesting to us. Um, like, if… if you're looking at that section and you scroll down a bit, and they talk about things like wireframes and prototypes, Um, there's a bunch of things in here that internationalization people and localization people also go, this is your chance to get, you know, to get it right. Uh, and avoid problems. Um… So
… I think there's maybe some… There's things in here that are kind of interesting to us. Um, like, if… if you're looking at that section and you scroll down a bit, and they talk about things like wireframes and prototypes, Um, there's a bunch of things in here that internationalization people and localization people also go, this is your chance to get, you know, to get it right. Uh, and avoid problems. Um… So
fuqiao: wireframes. has less cost.
<xfq> Incorporating wireframes, prototypes, and user testing into early product design cycles reduces money and effort otherwise wasted building features people will not use.
addison: I've been talking to some people about Um, a lot of people use the Figma product to design. things, and it's like, you can do You could do good things or bad things in Figma to make it possible to localize later. And if you do good things, then…
<addison> Use decorative design only when it enhances user experience. Remove unnecessary assets or those that do not enhance user experience or sustainability. Alternatively, make these optional and disabled by default.
addison: then your product will probably be better. Um, is that sustainability? No, maybe, I don't know.
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<gb> Issue 2037 I18N: Add guidance on robust text matching for searching, validation, and identifiers (by w3cbot) [close?] [tracker] [t:text_case] [t:text_n11n] [Agenda+] [s:web-sustainability-guidelines] [ig:sustainableweb]
addison: this is in the closed bucket, um… It had been Agenda plus. a while ago, um, and so I re-plussed it.
… we don't want them to replicate our stuff, but maybe they should have pointers.
… And I don't quite understand why these are… Related to sustainability.
Joel: here's a comment on there that says this duplicates IAT and work. There's assumption that all W3C work complies with I-18N standards.
xfq: Should we keep our tracker?
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xfq: maybe we just close the tracker unless we find something else
addison: click on first section of URL - i clicked on Resources, and this is where it took me
… these are external links, eg. WAI tutorial
… how do we get our stuff in here?
xfq: this is not published on /TR, unlike the document we reviewed
addison: it's a draft Note
xfq: it's an interest group, so they can't produce Rec track docs
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<xfq> IG instead of WG
atsushi: I don't understand how they structure their information
addison: seems to be in multiple files
… i believe the goal is for sustainability to become a new horizontal
… they were keep to learn from us how we work
xfq: last time i asked they had no plan, but who knows baout the future
addison: let's proceed with the review
… keep in mind how to inject our materials
Welcome new co-chair
addison: Joel has been appointed co-chair of this group
… i'll be stepping down around the end of the year
… it's been a great run for 20+ years
… i'm not disappearing
joel: debt of gratitude for Addison
… i have a lot to learn, and will rely on others to help
… i can't go to TPAC because of a classh
… if you have any suggestions for meting improvements, i'm open to everything
… i'm very interested in doing more education work in the future
… making our existing bank of resources available to a larger audience is something i'd like to work on
xfq: congratulations, and thanks to Addison
<jsahleen> zakim take up item 6
TPAC Planning
addison: is everyone going to be at TPAC ?
r12a: i'll be there
xfq: me too
addison: i have a few potential meetings with other groups
… dial in will be challenging
… because of time zones
xfq: zoom links will be announced at some point
joel: does it start on the monday?
addison: yes
addison: any goals for this year?
xfq: Eemeli has 3 breakout sessions
addison: any actions to work on?
xfq: progress on our documents, like glossary, string-search, etc.
addison: glossary is important to figure out, becuase affects other people
… need to make progress on infrastructure and things
xfq: we have a lot of tracker backlong
joel: will sustainability folks be there - might be good to introduce ourselves
xfq: they have meetings on thursday
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addison: it's a good hallway conversation
ACTION: xfq: preparations for TPAC meetings
<gb> Created action #192