Meeting minutes
Project planning update
@JJ: had meeting with Tanya last Monday. includes ideas for better participation in meetings
<JJ> To facilitate active participation:
<JJ> engage switching on cameraŹ¼s during the meetings;
<JJ> inventory who contributes what in the coming 3-6 months:
<JJ> editorial team = people who actually draft
<JJ> review team = people who review drafts and give feedback
<JJ> plenary participant = people who participate in plenary sessions, vote, participate in
<JJ> discussions
<JJ> meeting structure:
<JJ> every 2 weeks: editorial team: hands-on drafting, resolving blockers, aligning text
<JJ> every 2 weeks: plenary: status update, discussions, decisions/voting
<pauljadam> cameras on wont happen from me :)
@JJ: summary of meeting provide in IRC
@JJ: summarizing backlog and Planning ideas. Define target date then work backwards
<JJ> Backlog and planning:
<JJ> define a target date for a publication submission
<JJ> work backwards into milestones:
<JJ> draft [xx] by
<JJ> review by
<JJ> vote by
<JJ> remove all ambiguous / deprecated issues from the backlog
<JJ> assign due dates for the issues that are in scope of targeted publication draft
<JJ> always end the editorial meeting with actively dividing / assigning tasks to the members of
<JJ> editorial team
<shoobe01> I can turn on the camera but am on a couple computers and 4+ screens so you'll often see the side of my head; I leave off for most meetings because it /looks/ specifically like I am not paying attention.
<pauljadam> probably stand up meeting could work where you show the board with issues assigned to folks
<pauljadam> I feel like cameras on puts PwD at a disadvantage
@JJ: if we want to release another draft this year, draft needs to be done by November 1 for cfc. Work needs to be done in September and October
<JJ> structure of the draft
<shoobe01> Agree with pauljadam, actual explicit discussion of backlog grooming is good, whether special session or just first 10 min of weekly meeting.
@JJ: showing Editorial guideline document for WCAG2Mobile
<JJ> Phase 1 (till the end of 2025): WCAG2Mobile - Informative group note
<JJ> Goal
<JJ> To produce a clear, minimal, and consistent group note that aligns with WCAG 2.2 and provides
<JJ> structured notes and examples only when necessary (when the note itself does not provide
<JJ> enough context).
<JJ> This phase focuses on:
<JJ> Success Criteria
<JJ> Definitions
@JJ: posting summary of document in IRC
@JJ: goal is to increase the speed of our work and increase participation
Tanya: Nothing to add to JJ's summary. trying to help use our time efficiently
JJ: any feedback on two teams/meeting?
<GleidsonRamos> +1 to the proposes
JJ: if you have feedback reach out here, by email, or slack
<pauljadam> Slack would be good!!!
Tanya: possibly use slack for communication because of number of participants on the zoom call
JJ: will send out email about proposed group changes
JJ: thanked Tanya for all the help
JJ: another update in 2 weeks
Page definition applied
JJ: no further comments on PR so it was merged
JJ: the term "Page" has been replaced throughout our group note including definition for page agreed on by this group
Set of Web pages definition
JJ: if issues, please raise a GitHub issue
JJ: "'set of webpages"' will become "'set of pages" based on group agreement on the term "page"
<JJ> https://
<JJ> https://
JJ: showing old definition of "set of webpages" in WCAG 2.2 and the new terms in WCAG2ICT
<JJ> is "collection of pages that share a common purpose and that are created by the same author, group or organization" sufficient for WCAG2Mobile?
JJ: shows new draft definition of "set of pages" for WCAG2Mobile, including examples
Jamie: The word "application" is not used anywhere in our definition. This word could be important in our definition. We might need to discuss and/or define what we mean by collection.
Jamie: provide examples to "set of..." for mobile apps
JJ: most examples mention "navigation" because the SCs that use "Set of webpages" relate to navigation
shoobe01: agrees with what Jamie said., concerned about phrase "template changes". Discuss structure of applications (supersets and subsets). We may need examples of these ideas
<JJ> Sets of pages is Referenced in:
<JJ> 2.4.1 Bypass Blocks
<JJ> 2.4.5 Multiple Ways
<JJ> 3.2.3 Consistent Navigation
<JJ> 3.2.4 Consistent Identification
<JJ> 3.2.6 Consistent Help
<JJ> 2.4 Navigable & 3.2 Predictable
JJ: There are differences in navigation between apps and websites. Using app toolbars as an example and other common app patterns. An Auditor would need to choose what is part of a set. Also discusses the different WCAG SCs that use "set of webpages"
JJ: how many examples do we need for our definition?
Change of Context definition
<JJ> w3c/
JJ: this issue has been around awhile and we have discussed this issue multiple times
<JJ> https://
JJ: shows and summaries WCAG2.2 definition for "change of context". Discusses defined terms that are part of this definition
JJ: if we have new definition of "user agent", this gets us pretty far on this definition
<shoobe01> IME people use "viewport" for native/hybrid apps enough to a lot. Esp useful for webview hybrid apps, defining what part has what viewport. So seems reasonable to keep the term, but may need to examine if current def covers all mobile/hybrid uses.
JJ: WCAG2ICT definition of "change of context" in some instances links to WCAG 2.,2, but WCAG2ICT has its own definition
JJ: discussing WCAG2ICT definition of "change of context"
JJ: do we need to change anything for our definition?
<shoobe01> "A viewport may contain another viewport" seems to cover my biggest concern of current def.
JJ: WCAG2ICT changed viewport definition to include the word "software'
Not modified by the author & provided by the user agent or platform software
<JJ> w3c/
JJ: in viewport definition "user agent" is replace with "software"
JJ: discussing where phrase "Not modified by the author..." is being used in SCs
JJ: SCs are listed in issue #80 linked above
JJ: discussing comment from Detlev on issue
JJ: the group had a similar discussion when talking about WCAG SC 4.1.2. This SC might need better examples
JJ: do we have examples of "Not modified by the author & provided by the user agent or platform software:?
shoobe01: Confused by this discussion. Has questions about target size. Mentions styling components as an example of is this relevant
JJ: gives examples of the same element (and code) being rendered differently by different user agents, particularly web browsers. Talks about example of Mobile OS Alerts
shoobe01: thanked JJ for giving examples for him to research
JJ: more questions? If you have comments, please add them to the GitHub issue
JJ: will send out minutes and email about project changes. goal is another draft by end of year