– DRAFT –
Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference

<Lisa> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/Scribe_list

<Lisa> pick a scribe

<Lisa> next item

julie: ag charter and smart aprouch

<julierawe> https://github.com/w3c/wcag3/discussions/306

<julierawe> Julie will share with Charli how to log into GitHub

github: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/Github_for_members

306 is the link to what they would do in the charter

it is important

rachels coments is worth a thums up...

In order to provide broadened disability support, WCAG 3 will:

Include requirements that only apply in certain situations [Define by Date & Example Date], and

Include assertions for processes that don’t lead to repeatable results but have been shown to improve accessibility [Define by Date & Example Date].

Add additional guidance for people with low vision and with cognitive and learning disabilities that was not included in WCAG 2.2 [Define by Date & Example Date].

these are important for coga requirments to get in

> https://github.com/w3c/wcag3/discussions/306

<julierawe> Please add your thumbs-up to this statement in particular about allowing assertions in WCAG 3: https://github.com/w3c/wcag3/discussions/306#discussioncomment-13051762

the date and time are for the smart goals with dates

rashmi, it is realy hard to get the dates in this work

julie: ate guidelines as user-centered statements and requirements as outcomes. Technology specific information will be included in methods. [Define by Date & Ex

tifany. second comment is to promote incromental change

lisa thinks this about about adapt

<julierawe> Here is a link to the statement about allowing new ideas to be in WCAG 3 first as best practices and then to become supplemental or foundational requirements over time: https://github.com/w3c/wcag3/discussions/306#discussioncomment-13051987

a path to get it though

<julierawe> julierawe will send an email after this meeting asking people to thumbs-up things by the end of today

next item

<julierawe> Rashmi wants subgroup time to discuss color pattern

<julierawe> julierawe would like to use this week's subgroup meeting to discuss AG charter requirements

<julierawe> Lisa wants to discuss the trigger warning pattern now

<julierawe> Lisa We found some research that said trigger warnings are helpful and some research that says it's not helpful

<julierawe> Lisa Conflicting research

<julierawe> Lisa We made a pattern that includes global settings that allow users to customize, including turning off the trigger warnings

<julierawe> Lisa Without clear research, are we comfortable suggesting this customization approach?

<Zakim> Charli, you wanted to comment on range of content for trigger warnings

<julierawe> Lisa Would it be better to have an issue paper with a call for more research?

<julierawe> Charli Would they apply to not-safe-for-work content?

<julierawe> Lisa We're saying if you have trigger warnings, they need to be adjustable

<julierawe> Lisa The research is so ambiguous. A lot of people have found them helpful, but the research doesn't back it up consistently.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Itskr4srybRQa7hyIqMRiOPyjFyKB9apHYWdvGRb6gE/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.ko4kl8hexve2

<julierawe> Lisa Maybe we could put in a note that says this is a best practice because we think this will help, but we don't know.

<julierawe> Charli Is there a link to the research that has been reviewed to drive this decision?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eKNrofGubnpQE6mO-vxmI-1MW5nA2LDj0LxebREPRGA/edit?resourcekey=&gid=1686096268#gid=1686096268

<julierawe> Charli Anecdotally, some exposure can be helpful for debilitating phobias.

<julierawe> Charli Being able to tailor how much exposure they need to make progress would be really cool, but needs to be done with guidance of therapist

<julierawe> Lisa Maybe it belongs more in an issue paper than as a pattern.

<julierawe> Lisa I like the idea of saying "work with a therapist"

<julierawe> Lisa The guidance would recommend that developers consult with therapists on how to build the right mechanisms

<julierawe> Lisa We also suggested a soft trigger warning where if you don't have control of the platform, you could say, "This content contains violence...up to you if you want to skip to something else."

julie: there are big questions , how does the developer know if it is ok. maybe just an issue paper

<julierawe> rashmi We want developer to provide global settings that can be customized

<julierawe> Lisa Is it a better idea to just have it as an issue paper?

rashmi: we are sugesting global setting

<julierawe> rashmi This will be helpful long term

<julierawe> rashmi We need more examples like Charli's to make stronger recommendations

<julierawe> rashmi It should not be left out of the new draft of Making Content Usable

julie can we see the patern

<julierawe> julierawe The summary seems very complicated

A: new partent B new patern with new statis. suggested. C just issue paper

<julierawe> Lisa There are 3 options: 1st option is a new pattern, 2nd option is a best practice/recommendation, and 3rd option is an issue paper

There are 3 options: 1st option is a new pattern, 2nd option is a best practice/recommendation, and 3rd option patern but more limited to just if tigerwarning they must be adjustable 4. just have an issue paper

There are 4 options: 1st option is a new pattern, 2nd option is a best practice/recommendation, and 3rd option patern but more limited to just if tigerwarning they must be adjustable 4. just have an issue paper

<julierawe> rashmi We started with "make trigger warnings customizable"

There are 4 options: 1st option is a new pattern minor edit , 2nd option is a best practice/recommendation, and 3rd option patern but more limited strong edit 4. just have an issue paper . vote for more then 1

<julierawe> julierawe If this became an issue paper, would we have other new patterns in Making Content Usable that cover mental health?

<julierawe> Lisa I don't think the number of patterns about mental health is an issue. More important to give the right advice.

<julierawe> 2 or 4

<Charli> 2, 4

<julierawe> (and yes to strong edit!)

<julierawe> tiffanyburtin I'm leaning toward 2 and 4 as well

<julierawe> tiffanyburtin If we don't have it as a requirement, then businesses won't take it up/

<julierawe> julierawe I suggest we try to include as a best practice so that we can include caveats about the research. The main advantage of making it a best practice is people will see it in Making Content Usable rather than having to go elsewhere (to an issue paper)

<julierawe> tiffanyburtin Research papers may come if we identify that the community is saying "this is an issue"

<julierawe> rashmi The research papers are indicating that trigger warnings are not helpful

<julierawe> tiffanyburtin I thought some papers said they were helpful and some papers said they aren't

<julierawe> rashmi The research says consistently that trigger warnings are not helpful

<julierawe> Sorry, I need to leave to get ready for a 12pm meeting

<julierawe> Can someone else scribe?

<julierawe> tiffanyburtin I filter almost all of my content in social media so I don't have to see triggering items

<julierawe> Charli This is why I wanted to look at the research. Is it in a clinical setting? It might be that the right research hasn't been done yet

<julierawe> Lisa That's my fear

<tiffanyburtin> Agree with Charli

<julierawe> Lisa My fear is they haven't tested adjusting trigger warnings

<julierawe> I need to stop scribing

<julierawe> bye, everybody!

rashmi: suggest next call review the reserch

<Lisa> +1

<tiffanyburtin> I would want to know if there are lived experiences that are not reflected correctly in the research that currently exists.

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