W3C

– DRAFT –
XForms Group Weekly Teleconference

18 October 2024

Attendees

Present
Alain, Erik, Steven
Regrets
-
Chair
Steven
Scribe
Steven

Meeting minutes

W3C CG Enhancements Update recap

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2024Oct/0011

Steven: FYI

ACTION: Steven spec text for 'initial' MIP

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2024Oct/0012

Steven: Just checking that we agree that duplicate @initials should generate xforms-binding-error

Erik: Agreed

Steven: Do we do the same for complex content as with calculate?

Erik: Why should calculate and initial work differently?

https://www.w3.org/community/xformsusers/wiki/XForms_2.0#The_initial_Property

Erik: I think they should work the same way. So it's an error if the node has children initially.

ACTION: Steven check the binding conditions for @initial, and make the error treatment the same

Erik: I'm sure we restrict calculates to simleValues
… I can't find where now
… we disallow that setting element values destroy children.

ACTION: Erik to report evaluating vars in model

https://www.w3.org/2024/10/04-forms-minutes.html#6c49

Erik: Continues

Alain: Going back to the previous topic, we say somewhere "sets to the empty sequence".

Erik: That may be a mistake

<Alain> https://www.w3.org/community/xformsusers/wiki/XForms_2.0#The_initial_Property

Steven: What should we say?

Erik: That it sets the content to the empty string.

ACTION: Steven to check where we set to empty sequence and empty string

Alain: @calculate would be useful for complex content

Erik: It does make sense in some cases

Steven: I wrote a paper on it as Balisage in 2021. See https://www.balisage.net/Proceedings/vol26/html/Pemberton01/BalisageVol26-Pemberton01.html. It would make life easier to just specify the relationships rather than use actions.

AOB

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Summary of action items

  1. Steven check the binding conditions for @initial, and make the error treatment the same
  2. Steven to check where we set to empty sequence and empty string
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All speakers: Alain, Erik, Steven

Active on IRC: Alain, Steven