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13:44:46 <Steven> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2024Oct/0013
13:45:03 <Steven> Meeting: XForms Group Weekly Teleconference
13:45:03 <Steven> Chair: Steven
13:45:03 <Steven> Previous Meeting: https://www.w3.org/2024/10/11-forms-minutes
13:45:11 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
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14:00:00 <Steven> Topic: W3C CG Enhancements Update recap
14:00:00 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2024Oct/0011
14:00:46 <Steven> Steven: FYI
14:00:58 <Steven> Topic: ACTION: Steven spec text for 'initial' MIP
14:00:58 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2024Oct/0012
14:02:22 <Steven> Steven: Just checking that we agree that duplicate @initials should generate xforms-binding-error
14:02:26 <Steven> Erik: Agreed
14:04:14 <Steven> Steven: Do we do the same for complex content as with calculate
14:04:26 <Steven> s/calculate/calculate?/
14:05:24 <Steven> Erik: Why should calculate and initial work differently?
14:05:39 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/community/xformsusers/wiki/XForms_2.0#The_initial_Property
14:07:35 <Steven> Erik: I think they should work the same way. So it's an error if the node has children initially.
14:07:57 <Steven> ACTION: Steven check the binding conditions for @initial, and make the error treatment the same
14:12:07 <Steven> Erik: I'm sure we restrict calculates to simleValues
14:12:13 <Steven> ... I can't find where now
14:13:54 <Steven> ... we disallow that setting element values destroy children.
14:15:09 <Steven> Topic: ACTION: Erik to report evaluating vars in model
14:15:09 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/2024/10/04-forms-minutes.html#6c49
14:15:14 <Steven> Erik: Continues
14:17:31 <Steven> Alain: GOing back to the previous topic, we say somewhere "sets to the empty sequence".
14:17:40 <Steven> Erik: That may be a mistake
14:17:54 <Steven> s/GO/Go/
14:18:00 <Alain> https://www.w3.org/community/xformsusers/wiki/XForms_2.0#The_initial_Property
14:18:56 <Steven> Steven: What should we say?
14:19:20 <Steven> Erik: That it sets the content to the empty string.
14:19:43 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to check where we set to empty sequence and emtpy string
14:20:03 <Steven> s/emtpy/empty
14:20:20 <Steven> Topic: AOB
14:20:38 <Steven> s/Topic: AOB//
14:21:22 <Steven> Alain: @calculate would be useful for complex content
14:21:34 <Steven> Erik: It does make sense in some cases
14:22:57 <Steven> Steven: I wrote a paper on it as XML Prage a couple of years ago. It would make life easier to just specify the relationships rather than use actions.
14:23:09 <Steven> Topic: AOB
14:23:12 <Steven> [None]
14:24:26 <Steven> [ADJOURN]
14:24:49 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
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14:25:15 <Steven> Present: Alain, Erik, Steven
14:28:52 <Steven> s|XML Prage a couple of years ago|Balisage in 2021. See https://www.balisage.net/Proceedings/vol26/html/Pemberton01/BalisageVol26-Pemberton01.html
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