Meeting minutes
Agenda Review
florian: the CSSWG need to come up with a structure
… a list of things that need to be described for each one we might want to add
… the conclusion from the last meeting was that fantasai and I had to prepare a list
… maybe the font name, maybe a sample of the fonts, maybe a description of what it's for
… and maybe a description of why it matters
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r12a: Chris has started to implement bits of it in the css-fonts spec
… in Geek Week I made a list of generic font categories
… see above
… including Windows, macOS, Noto, and SIL fonts
… you've got a list of what the categories would be
… you've got a description of why you'd need it
… and you've got links to the actual fonts
florian: is it complete for now, even though we might add some more in the future?
r12a: it's an initial list based on an exhaustive survey of the pre-installed fonts on macOS and Windows
… somebody responded on the thread on the CSS thread that there may be more
florian: those are not necessarily available through pre-installed or commonly available fonts
r12a: this list is for discussion
… what's also useful about it is it's not very long
florian: some are very specific to some writing systems
… loopless is meant for Thai, but it @@
xfq: it only lists Fangsong for SC
… but there are also TC and Japanese Fangsong fonts
r12a: and heavy right down at the bottom
florian: is that different from bold?
r12a: these are much heavier than bold
… it seemed to be a common thing that many scripts would have extremely heavy font faces
… the same goes for slanted
… we had Hebrew in there and I took it out
r12a: Syriac @@
… it is to persuade people that there needs to be an open interface so that people @@
… in the case of Syriac, we have three fonts
… I think Noto needs two fonts for Lanna
r12a: there are 2 scenarios
… one is where you're using the font to style the text for things like headings
… it's very common
… and the other scenario is like nastaliq
florian: I am convinced that those need supporting
… I'm not convinced that those needs supporting through generic font families
… because language is also a factor in selecting fonts
… in terms of UI to pick up fonts, absolutely
… that's also useful for systems which are less clear-cut than Windows or Mac about what's a system font and what's not
… like Debian GNU/Linux
… is there within that list anything which like nastaliq?
r12a: syriac and lanna
… it's not "what you can do", it's actually "what you must not do"
… this is the key factor
… you must not fall back to this wrong font
florian: I will certainly take some time offline after this meeting to read through the list and organise my thoughts
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florian: but probably I'm not the only person who should be caring about this
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xfq: Fangsong fonts can also have Latin glyphs, which might contain Latin letters of similar style to the Chinese Fangsong font
florian: the motivation for having those is script specific, but there is no restriction on the unicode range covered, so if it contains glyphs for latin (for example), that'll be used too
florian: at least I'll take an action to review it
… but I suspect that's not enough
<r12a> this is a mechanism to select fonts - it's not influenced by unicode character ranges - so latin characters in a fangsong font is not an issue
florian: I expect my availability to improve starting from next week
r12a: working on ruby!
florian: yes, I hope to
Ruby
florian: a reasonable next topic I think is the question of how it is supposed to be read
… Muraka-san has written ruby-t2s-req
… it currently only mentions Japanese
… does it apply to Chinese and Zaima?
r12a: every other week somebody pops up and says we could use ruby for this sort of thing
florian: I'm thinking about the next steps
… not to do them, but to discuss them a little bit
r12a: do you think it would be an HTML attribute?
… I would have thought it would be a CSS property
florian: it's a semantic difference
… sometimes it's phonetic, sometimes it's not
… that's not for immediate solution
… but it should be somewhere on our radar
… I wouldn't want to miss it
xfq: I have two comments
… @@1
… Zaima PR ^
… Warichu tts, copy/paste, string-searching etc.