APA Weekly Teleconference

19 Jul 2023


Gottfried, Lionel_Wolberger, PaulG, Roy, ToddL

Meeting minutes

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Agenda Review & Announcements

janina: I am moving homes on August 2nd so will likely not be able to chair
… expect my co-chair Matthew to Chair that day

janina: Let's please do introductions, as we welcome ToddL

Charter Update https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/apa-wg-recharter/results

Roy: Waiting on a response from Charles, even though it is a non-blocking obejction to our draft charter

TPAC 2023 Planning - https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2023

janina: We have meetings planned with agendas fairly well determined
… meeting is 11th September in Saville, Spain

RQTF Resolution re Symposium Report

<Roy> https://www.w3.org/2023/07/19-rqtf-minutes.html#r01

janina: W3C was named as participating in a grant that was prepared by the University of Lisbon
… the event defined in the grant took place, and a report was issued
… shall we approve the report as-is or have a call for consensus

Gottfried: With my knowledge of these types of grants, a call for consensus would be prudent.

janina: So be it.
… Janina will issue a CfC per standard APA process.

New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22

A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review

Explicit Review Requests https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues

Dubbing and Audio description Profiles of TTML2

<Roy> - issue: w3c/a11y-request#66

<Roy> - spec: https://www.w3.org/TR/dapt/

<Roy> - tracked: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Dubbing_and_Audio_description_Profiles_of_TTML2

<Roy> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2023Jul/0019.html

<Roy> w3c/apa#325

janina: RQTF will review a MAUR updating process
… Regarding audio description: in MAUR 1.0 we decided that naming the medium we were describing was more useful than naming the modality by which the description was delivered
… we disagreed with ISO over that
… and continue to disagree with AGWG over that

Lionel_Wolberger: Audio descriptions is slightly outdated, but it does communicate to lay people that some alternative description is needed for people who will not see the video in question.

Gottfried: This is consistent with image description: the word 'description' indicates that the image is being described, not the medium in which the description is provided

janina: Apple calls it 'audio description of video'

Gottfried: These descriptions are often delivered by text format

janina: It is not worth holding up AGWG over this, as I would like to support AGWG moving forward from 2.2 to its 3.x versions
… but we do see APA engaging with AGWG over this in 3.x discussions
… COGA TF has indicated (via Lisa) that COGA needs may conflict with other disability needs
… and may advocate for more needed key words into text extract capabilities

<Gottfried> Bachelor thesis on layered audio descriptions for videos: Schneider, R., Ableitner, T., & Zimmermann, G. (2022). Layered Audio Descriptions for Videos. In K. Miesenberger, G. Kouroupetroglou, K. Mavrou, R. Manduchi, M. Covarrubias Rodriguez, & P. Penáz (Eds.), Computers Helping People with Special Needs (pp. 51–63). Springer International Publishing. https://doi.org/10.1007/978-3-031-08645-8_7

<Gottfried> Another bachelor thesis on using AI-generated voices to allow for personalized audio description: Franziska Untraut. (2023). Personalisierte Audiodeskription mit KI-basierter Sprachsynthese. Bachelorthesis. Hochschule der Medien Stuttgart. https://nbn-resolving.org/urn:nbn:de:bsz:900-opus4-67645

ToddL: At yesterday's AGWG we did happen to discuss the understanding doc for Video WCAG 1.2.9

Gottfried: Posted links to thesis on audio description for video

<ToddL> https://www.w3.org/2023/07/18-ag-minutes.html

<ToddL> AGWG Meetin 18 July, 2023 (link above)

janina: The engagement with HTML5 over how to build accessibility support into HTML 5

<Gottfried> There is an English abstract for Untraut's thesis on https://nbn-resolving.org/urn:nbn:de:bsz:900-opus4-67645 - second half of the page.

janina: was very well supported by the MAUR (Media Accessibility User Requirements)
… as people read MAUR and understood it
… while other issues became conflicts that were not easily resolved, some of which were escalated all the way to the W3C Director

<Gottfried> Untraut also made a video with English captions: https://youtu.be/mKrKTNTWWak

janina: a theme of these misunderstandings was a total lack of understanding of navigating the web via a screen reader
… other misunderstandings were around "Alt"
… we had to demonstrate that a 105 word "alt" is not an "alt", it is a Long Desc
… Longdesc is better as it is a 'pull' and not a 'push'
… many things were resolved by adding an extension to HTML5. An Extension means it is not required.

new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html

<PaulG> If you follow the MDN articles (as a dev would) from https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/HTMLImageElement/longDesc which says it's deprecated. It links to aria-details, but that doesn't have anything to do with description in AT. So you looking at the example it uses aria-description which isn't implemented (still in draft) but refers to aria-describedby.

<PaulG> That super confusing and hard to dig up for a developer who's new to a11y

PaulG: Shared details about how Longdesc links to aria-details, which points you in turn to aria-describedby

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