Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference

08 June 2023



Meeting minutes

<lisa> rashmi can you join my room

<lisa> topic, clear langauge

Julie away for one month so contact will be John Rochford.

clear language

Clear Language will be pausing on work whilst the survey is sent out to AG in order to have feedback on approx 23 outcomes. Rachael and Jeanne have been asked when an update on the feedback will be happening.

Need to clear comments from Google doc in case the use that document as the link from the survey. Need to get a clearer sense in which direction we need to go in terms of the number of outcomes etc before going on to producing tests

Julie is sharing a link to a webinar from the Center for Plain Language getting ready to publish a plain language ISO standard

<julierawe> https://centerforplainlanguage.wildapricot.org/event-5258019

June 27th date of webinar - costs - need to make a connection - panelists not known to the Clear Language Team

John Rochford will attend webinar

John Kirkwood mentioned David Lipscomb - Plain language at Georgetown.

ISO available as a British standard https://standardsdevelopment.bsigroup.com/projects/2019-03497#/section

Just the outline of dates to give guidance as to when it is happening

ISO/DIS 24495-1(en) Plain language — Part 1: Governing principles and guidelines https://www.iso.org/obp/ui/#iso:std:iso:24495:-1:dis:ed-1:v1:en

John Kirwood will link up with David Lipscomb and John Rochford has signed up for the webinar and will pass on information about the meeting

<julierawe> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1m-vnccylky4-jWxWGuw3_JZCSajWK-5WQu1CKdeGdG4/edit#heading=h.fhpy9q2kh91y

Lisa has requested that the Clear Language team link up with the 5 sprint teams

The link above is a document purpose is to share items from Content Usable that might be useful for the 5 sprint teams

Kate and Julie have already worked on this and started with an example of WCAG 3 guideline about flashing / motion links to the user needs, patterns and use cases or personas for each of the guidelines.

Julie asked if this made sense so went on to look at onscreen flashing/motion - and looked for the terms such as distractions for this guideline. Do not need to add anything new just use what is already existing in Content Usable.

Is there anything else that is needed when you look at what has been said already in the Google doc?

Discussion about holidays in the next few weeks. Several team members are on holiday so may not be able to make time for the work ahead

<JohnRochford> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG3/2020/how-tos/clear-words/

<JohnRochford> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Clear_Language_Subgroup

John Rochford and John Kirkwood discussed whether it was too early to contact people working on the ISO/DIS 24495-1(en) as we do not have any published resources that focus just on Clear Language rather than looking at parts of Content Usable has other points of interest besides Clear Language.

John R asked if it was possible to update the Wiki page that has rather too many old links and not all the names in the group.

<kirkwood> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Clear_Language_Subgroup

There is the thought that we should wait till we see a draft of the ISO standard and reach out later in the year.

Julie asked if it was wise to wait and asked the team to give their opinion

+1 to waiting till we have sorted out our wiki page and Julie is away and not happy with the content at the moment.

John Kirkwood pointed out that some of the information may be at a higher level on W3C pages.

Julie agreed that the wiki page is not suitable as a first impression of what Clear Language group is doing and who is involved.

Katy added that she felt that it would be helpful to decide what we could do to make the page a better introduction to the group.

Juie invited people to work on the page and would make it possible to edit content once given access. Needs more informative content.

<katy> Oops KLAARA is not 5-12th of July but 3rd to 7th of July https://sites.ipleiria.pt/congressoklaara/en/

John K agreed that updates are required and would be useful for Katy when she goes to the conference linked above

John K said it might help to have a Google doc that could be worked on together and then copy it back into the Wiki page.

<julierawe> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/Subgroups/WCAG_3_Coordination

Katy asked about the other page that Julie has been working on - called it a 'file drawer' see link above

Julie said this is a current document but it needs a high level summary and some additional sections to make it look more professional.

John R. asked what is the Clear Language a subgroup of? ... John K said subgroup of silver and coga.

Julie felt the wiki should become a more useful resource to allow external readers to understand the workings of the group

Julie suggested we need to explain what Silver is and how the subgroup links with the work - how the guidelines differ from previous work in this area.

Julie will set up the Google doc for us all to work on - high level summary etc. Suggested everyone adds suggestions by next week if possible.

John K mentioned the need for dates as to when comments have to be submitted.

Julie will be away but will connect by email in the next week.

Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by scribe.perl version 210 (Wed Jan 11 19:21:32 2023 UTC).


Active on IRC: EA, JohnRochford, julierawe, katy, kirkwood, lisa, Roy