19 Oct 2022


Alisa_S, becky, Fazio, Fazio_, Fredrik, janina, Lionel_Wolberger_, matatk, nadine, PaulG, Roy
Gottfried, Niklas

Meeting minutes

<janina> Meeting Accessible Platform Architectures (APA) Weekly Teleconference

Agenda Review & Announcements

janina: Paul is now formal liason to CSS, we have added CSS status onto our regular agenda.

Janina: group leaders Noted that we need to review standard tooling and how we track horizontal reviews

Janina: no additions from others for agenda

janina: reminding folks about changing of the clocks - Europe first and then US; not sure about other areas of the globe. See dateandtime.com to see magnitude of changes across time zones. Have trouble accommodating all of the time zones.

janina: for one week we are out of sync for europe and UK with US by one hour

CfC Reminder https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2022Oct/0008.html

<Fazio> COGA wants to object until our comments are in

<Fazio> Lisa remembers us being given till end of October

janina: reminds folks about cfc for collaboration tools usability requirements. Process requires that we file objections but don't require full consensus. COGA has requested that we not publish until they have added comments but we have given them extra time. There is an impact of not publishing now - if not we won't publish until January and February. We will still include COGA comments. Are trying to mediate this disagreement. Will add a note

that publication is a solicitation for comments. We will add additional comments as necessary and can republish based on additional feedback.

janina: The note has been forwarded to the APA admin list. Do need more votes in order to move forward so please review.

New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22

roy: No new charters

A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review

Web of Things (WoT) Architecture 1.1

<Roy> - TR: https://www.w3.org/TR/wot-architecture11/

<Roy> - issue: https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/796

<Roy> - tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Web_of_Things_(WoT)_Architecture_1.1

<Roy> - ping: Horizontal Review for CR

roy: web of things architecture 1.1 - going to CR and requesting horizontal review

roy: review of this doc. was assigned to Janina

Janina: I am overdue, I don't believe I am the best person. Will try to get someone else to look at or will look at it in next few weeks. RQTF did meet with Web of Things - they are eager to work with us.

<matatk> Details of our meeting with WoT just before TPAC: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022#Web_of_Things_Accessibility

janina: our previous conversations have not found issues with architecture and api but do have some additional user requirements

janina: Happy to take help with someone else to review this

<PaulG> I'll send some notes for anything I pick up on a quick read. Lacking any accessibility considerations section is at least a warning sign.

matatk: Meeting with Web of Things was very helpful. Did happen before TPAC but was "associated" with TPAC

janina: we need to get minutes from that meeting into our wiki

janina: Gottfried and Niklaus have experience in this area and I will ping them

new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html

roy: no new on TR

Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned

roy: nothing prepared

Spec Tracking Wiki Reminder https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review

matatk: we have different systems for tracking items; Sharing screen...

matatk: sharing screen from wiki, Category:Spec Review; started a long time ago, Janina confirms it was started in 2015

matatk: This system worked nicely as you can put link to a spec into more than one category; Goes to EPUB 3.3 page in wiki and it displays the categories as well as link to spec and timeline of activity on the spec

matatk: also demos WebXR Gamepads Module level 1 to review the activity and links to any comments, etc

matatk: there is a "paper" trail for all of our reviews and activities in our wiki

matatk: since it is in the wiki, anyone can modify and update as perform activities

janina: this is a very useful tool but it relies on being updated as action happens but everyone has to help

janina: looking for ideas on how to solve issues when a spec has changed its name; Thus sometimes we don't realize we have reviewed something when we did review it on under another name

<matatk> https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review

matatk: notice that in this meeting Roy posted a request to review Web of Things architecture - (shares that page on screen). Switches to A11y Review comment tracker to show the request for our review via github. We need to post the outcome of our review into that github issue.

matatk: group that needs an apa review creates a github issue in their repository with a tag that flags it for us to review which generates the a11y review request

matatk: any actions that are created during an apa meeting get logged into our older action tracker

matatk: you don't have to use the tracker system but some people pefer an action that they can track. Groups that request a review need us to track results in github

<janina> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/users/my

janina: if you only want to see your own actions, use the url above

janina: will show you all actions for all groups you are involved with

CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues

<PaulG> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/6915

PaulG: there was an issue with lang selector and how * worked;

<PaulG> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/779

PaulG: ruby annotations issue (above)

<PaulG> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/7319

PaulG: adding open and closed as pseudo selectors for items - popup api and dialogs

<PaulG> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/7340

<PaulG> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/CSS_Spatial_Navigation_Level_1

PaulG: putting out the idea of reordering columns in tables; we know from flexbox reorganization this can be an issue. spatial navigationapi was brought up; We lost track of that review in 2019

PaulG: also issues about focus group - neither of these have any info in the comment tracker but some in the wiki

PaulG: so this is something we have lost track of

janina: loss spatial navigation issue tracking, we did have a meeting about this with CSS at TPAC in Japan; I found those minutes and we should add that into tracking and follow up

janina: I went back through agendas via mail archive and looked for Amy's name (previous CSS liason) to find open items

matatk: good to follow up on spatial navigation; On some of the issues Paul shared above, there is a closed label, what criteria to they use for closing?

<janina> Sapporo 2015 TPAC meeting on spatial nav: https://www.w3.org/2015/10/30-apa-minutes.html

PaulG: after only one meeting, the CSS team brings it up, discusses, and takes action or continues to investigate

janina: new process started with protocols and Formats WG was broken up; ARIA was previously a task force and became a working group; APA WG was created to continue other PF work

janina: this change to PF WG to create APA set up many of our current policies and practices; for example decision process; This came from HTML WG as they needed a formal process to deal with arguments, etc. and reaching consensus

PaulG: there is a 3 hour CSS meeting next week so I will miss this meeting; Spatial navigation is up for discussion as well as many other items

janina: so thankful for Paul taking on CSS

Task Force & Deliverables Updates

janina: can skip this item unless something important to discuss

Other Business

<Roy> https://www.w3.org/blog/

janina: Judy Brewer announced her retirement this morning; It will take place relatively soon and she will be going part time. Look for that announcement, it will likely get wide publication throughout W3

Roy: shared link of blog post where announcement was made

janina: there is an interim replacement, Michael Cooper, and there is new position in europe, Kevin

<Roy> https://www.w3.org/blog/2022/10/stepping-forward-on-wai-management/

<Roy> https://www.w3.org/blog/2022/10/w3c-wai-updates-october-2022/

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