13:43:51 RRSAgent has joined #apa 13:43:51 logging to https://www.w3.org/2022/10/19-apa-irc 13:43:54 RRSAgent, make logs Public 13:43:54 please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina 13:44:18 agenda? 13:50:58 agenda? 13:51:03 Chair: Janina 13:51:03 agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements 13:51:03 agenda+ CfC Reminder https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2022Oct/0008.html 13:51:06 agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 13:51:09 agenda+ A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review 13:51:12 agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html 13:51:14 agenda+ Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned 13:51:17 agenda+ Spec Tracking Wiki Reminder https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review 13:51:20 agenda+ CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues 13:51:23 agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates 13:51:25 agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open 13:51:26 Fazio has joined #apa 13:51:28 agenda+ Other Business 13:51:30 agenda+ be done 13:53:54 Meeting Accessible Platform Architectures (APA) Weekly Teleconference 13:54:00 Date: 19 Oct 2022 13:54:10 agenda? 13:58:39 regrets: Gottfried, Niklas 13:59:08 present+ 14:00:17 Lionel_Wolberger_ has joined #apa 14:00:36 agenda? 14:00:51 matatk has joined #apa 14:01:04 present+ 14:01:04 present+ 14:01:39 present+ 14:01:43 Fredrik has joined #apa 14:01:54 present+ 14:01:56 present+ 14:02:37 becky has joined #apa 14:02:40 present+ 14:03:17 nadine has joined #apa 14:03:24 scribe: becky 14:03:30 present+ 14:03:37 zakim, next item 14:03:37 agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina] 14:03:40 present+ 14:04:30 janina: Paul is now formal liason to CSS, we have added CSS status onto our regular agenda. 14:05:12 Janina: group leaders Noted that we need to review standard tooling and how we track horizontal reviews 14:05:25 Janina: no additions from others for agenda 14:06:39 rrsagent, make minutes 14:06:39 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/10/19-apa-minutes.html matatk 14:07:04 janina: reminding folks about changing of the clocks - Europe first and then US; not sure about other areas of the globe. See dateandtime.com to see magnitude of changes across time zones. Have trouble accommodating all of the time zones. 14:07:46 janina: for one week we are out of sync for europe and UK with US by one hour 14:07:56 zakim, next item 14:07:56 agendum 2 -- CfC Reminder https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2022Oct/0008.html -- taken up [from janina] 14:08:32 COGA wants to object until our comments are in 14:09:07 Alisa_S has joined #apa 14:09:08 Lisa remembers us being given till end of October 14:09:12 present+ 14:12:10 janina: reminds folks about cfc for collaboration tools usability requirements. Process requires that we file objections but don't require full consensus. COGA has requested that we not publish until they have added comments but we have given them extra time. There is an impact of not publishing now - if not we won't publish until January and February. We will still include COGA comments. Are trying to mediate this disagreement. Will add a note 14:12:10 that publication is a solicitation for comments. We will add additional comments as necessary and can republish based on additional feedback. 14:12:41 q? 14:12:43 janina: The note has been forwarded to the APA admin list. Do need more votes in order to move forward so please review. 14:12:48 q? 14:12:58 zakim, next item 14:12:58 agendum 3 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from janina] 14:13:08 roy: No new charters 14:13:14 zakim, close this item 14:13:14 agendum 3 closed 14:13:15 I see 9 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 14:13:15 4. A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review [from janina] 14:13:20 zakim, next item 14:13:20 agendum 4 -- A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from janina] 14:13:31 subtopic: Web of Things (WoT) Architecture 1.1 14:13:31 - TR: https://www.w3.org/TR/wot-architecture11/ 14:13:31 - issue: https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/796 14:13:31 - tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Web_of_Things_(WoT)_Architecture_1.1 14:13:31 - ping: Horizontal Review for CR 14:13:58 roy: web of things architecture 1.1 - going to CR and requesting horizontal review 14:14:11 roy: review of this doc. was assigned to Janina 14:14:59 Janina: I am overdue, I don't believe I am the best person. Will try to get someone else to look at or will look at it in next few weeks. RQTF did meet with Web of Things - they are eager to work with us. 14:15:09 Details of our meeting with WoT just before TPAC: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022#Web_of_Things_Accessibility 14:15:14 q+ 14:15:41 janina: our previous conversations have not found issues with architecture and api but do have some additional user requirements 14:16:23 janina: Happy to take help with someone else to review this 14:16:27 ack matt 14:16:49 I'll send some notes for anything I pick up on a quick read. Lacking any accessibility considerations section is at least a warning sign. 14:17:02 matatk : Meeting with Web of Things was very helpful. Did happen before TPAC but was "associated" with TPAC 14:17:26 janina: we need to get minutes from that meeting into our wiki 14:17:29 ack me 14:17:55 SuzanneTaylor has joined #apa 14:18:04 janina : Gottfried and Niklaus have experience in this area and I will ping them 14:18:11 zakim, next item 14:18:11 agendum 5 -- new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from janina] 14:18:25 roy: no new on TR 14:18:30 zakim, close this item 14:18:30 agendum 5 closed 14:18:31 I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 14:18:31 6. Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned [from janina] 14:18:37 zakim, next item 14:18:37 agendum 6 -- Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned -- taken up [from janina] 14:18:57 roy: nothing prepared 14:18:57 zakim, close this item 14:18:58 agendum 6 closed 14:18:58 I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 14:18:58 7. Spec Tracking Wiki Reminder https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review [from janina] 14:19:00 zakim, next item 14:19:00 agendum 7 -- Spec Tracking Wiki Reminder https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review -- taken up [from janina] 14:19:53 matatk : we have different systems for tracking items; Sharing screen... 14:20:57 matatk : sharing screen from wiki, Category:Spec Review; started a long time ago, Janina confirms it was started in 2015 14:22:16 matatk : This system worked nicely as you can put link to a spec into more than one category; Goes to EPUB 3.3 page in wiki and it displays the categories as well as link to spec and timeline of activity on the spec 14:23:31 matatk : also demos WebXR Gamepads Module level 1 to review the activity and links to any comments, etc 14:23:34 q? 14:24:08 matatk : there is a "paper" trail for all of our reviews and activities in our wiki 14:24:08 q? 14:24:38 matatk : since it is in the wiki, anyone can modify and update as perform activities 14:25:55 janina: this is a very useful tool but it relies on being updated as action happens but everyone has to help 14:27:11 q? 14:27:15 janina: looking for ideas on how to solve issues when a spec has changed its name; Thus sometimes we don't realize we have reviewed something when we did review it on under another name 14:27:19 q? 14:29:12 https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review 14:29:29 matatk : notice that in this meeting Roy posted a request to review Web of Things architecture - (shares that page on screen). Switches to A11y Review comment tracker to show the request for our review via github. We need to post the outcome of our review into that github issue. 14:31:13 matatk : group that needs an apa review creates a github issue in their repository with a tag that flags it for us to review which generates the a11y review request 14:32:17 matatk : any actions that are created during an apa meeting get logged into our older action tracker 14:32:34 q+ 14:32:46 q? 14:33:03 matatk : you don't have to use the tracker system but some people pefer an action that they can track. Groups that request a review need us to track results in github 14:33:38 http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/users/my 14:33:49 janina: if you only want to see your own actions, use the url above 14:35:04 janina: will show you all actions for all groups you are involved with 14:35:10 ack paul 14:35:45 zakim, next item 14:35:45 agendum 8 -- CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues -- taken up [from janina] 14:36:49 https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/6915 14:36:57 PaulG : there was an issue with lang selector and how * worked; 14:36:57 https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/779 14:37:09 PaulG : ruby annotations issue (above) 14:37:09 https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/7319 14:37:36 PaulG : adding open and closed as pseudo selectors for items - popup api and dialogs 14:37:43 https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/7340 14:38:23 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/CSS_Spatial_Navigation_Level_1 14:38:59 q+ 14:39:09 PaulG : putting out the idea of reordering columns in tables; we know from flexbox reorganization this can be an issue. spatial navigationapi was brought up; We lost track of that review in 2019 14:39:50 PaulG : also issues about focus group - neither of these have any info in the comment tracker but some in the wiki 14:39:58 ack ja 14:40:01 PaulG : so this is something we have lost track of 14:41:11 janina: loss spatial navigation issue tracking, we did have a meeting about this with CSS at TPAC in Japan; I found those minutes and we should add that into tracking and follow up 14:43:11 janina: I went back through agendas via mail archive and looked for Amy's name (previous CSS liason) to find open items 14:43:12 q+ 14:43:19 ack ma 14:43:50 q? 14:44:32 Fazio_ has joined #apa 14:44:39 present+ 14:45:17 matatk : good to follow up on spatial navigation; On some of the issues Paul shared above, there is a closed label, what criteria to they use for closing? 14:45:23 Sapporo 2015 TPAC meeting on spatial nav: https://www.w3.org/2015/10/30-apa-minutes.html 14:45:54 PaulG : after only one meeting, the CSS team brings it up, discusses, and takes action or continues to investigate 14:47:27 janina: new process started with protocols and Formats WG was broken up; ARIA was previously a task force and became a working group; APA WG was created to continue other PF work 14:47:35 ack me 14:47:47 rrsagent, make minutes 14:47:47 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/10/19-apa-minutes.html becky 14:47:47 rrsagent, make minutes 14:47:47 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/10/19-apa-minutes.html matatk 14:50:11 janina: this change to PF WG to create APA set up many of our current policies and practices; for example decision process; This came from HTML WG as they needed a formal process to deal with arguments, etc. and reaching consensus 14:51:22 q? 14:52:16 PaulG : there is a 3 hour CSS meeting next week so I will miss this meeting; Spatial navigation is up for discussion as well as many other items 14:52:56 janina: so thankful for Paul taking on CSS 14:53:48 zakim, next item 14:53:48 agendum 9 -- Task Force & Deliverables Updates -- taken up [from janina] 14:54:19 janina: can skip this item unless something important to discuss 14:54:25 zakim, close this item 14:54:25 agendum 9 closed 14:54:26 I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 14:54:26 10. Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open [from janina] 14:54:36 agenda? 14:54:58 zakim, take up item 11 14:54:58 agendum 11 -- Other Business -- taken up [from janina] 14:55:44 https://www.w3.org/blog/ 14:56:29 janina: Judy Brewer announced her retirement this morning; It will take place relatively soon and she will be going part time. Look for that announcement, it will likely get wide publication throughout W3 14:56:55 Roy: shared link of blog post where announcement was made 14:58:00 janina: there is an interim replacement, Michael Cooper, and there is new position in europe, Kevin 14:58:45 https://www.w3.org/blog/2022/10/stepping-forward-on-wai-management/ 14:58:57 https://www.w3.org/blog/2022/10/w3c-wai-updates-october-2022/ 14:59:09 rrsagent, make minutes 14:59:09 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/10/19-apa-minutes.html becky 15:01:10 PaulG has left #apa 15:04:16 Francis_Storr has joined #apa 15:12:45 SuzanneTaylor has joined #apa