Meeting minutes
Review of timelines timeline <https://
Tpac https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PZkjDtPbZHlcFxmmbTA6e-Sp_qU6_9Z8Ux85PINe5QU/edit#
Lisa: We have had a few regrets
<ShawnT> regrets
* ShawnT - try this: https://
https://
Lisa: There is a link with "Official W3C TPAC 2022 Calendar" to access the schedule
… I will try to stay in the channel throughout
Julie: I can be in the IRC channel too
… I noticed that there is more than 1 IRC channel listed for COGA vs non COGA people
Lisa: I didn't notice that.
… Also, the 1st 2 meeting is joint with AG
… Those are in AG's room
<julierawe> https://
Lisa: I will highlight that in the Google Doc
… So, not our room for the 1st 2 meetings
Julie: Above is link for the meeting
Rachael: Lisa - please add the IRC meeting channel for each one
Lisa: OK
Julie: Can you confirm the start time for the meeting?
Rachael: I confirm it starts at 8:30
Lisa: We have 3 pieces of information
… 1: the Zoom
<Kiki> present
Lisa: 2: for those joining remotely
… and those joining physicall
… 3: then the IRC channel
… We are talking about the meetings next week, called TPAC
… It is in Vancouver
… We are working on the agenda - where to call in, and where to be
… I also want to check that everyone can access this link
<julierawe> Lisa/Rachael, can you confirm the meeting is in Granville and not Burrard?
Lisa: John K and Jennie are joining remotely
<aaronchu> Hello Lisa!
<aaronchu> +present
Rain: I am attending remotely and I can confirm I can access that link
Lisa: Are you a member of AG?
Rain: yes
Lisa: is anyone who is not a member of AG able to get to the conference call page?
… Because we have 2 parent groups, some are members of 1, some the other, some both
… We have meetings with both parent groups
… I want to be sure people can join
Kiki: I don't have sufficient access
Lisa: Thank you Kiki
… I need to make a calendar invite with the information in it and send it to everyone that wants to attend
… Please put your name under virtual if you might need a calendar invite
… I can put the Zoom call information into the calendar invite
… I can't put it in a public space
Lisa: I can't put it on the email list
… I think a calendar invite will work best
Lisa: Add your name into the Attending heading
… This is a direct link
… Adding your email address would be helpful as well
… So try the links, and if you can't access, please send me an email, and try to access the IRC channel
<aaronchu> Hello!
Lisa: I will also send this information out in an email - the full agenda. Is that helpful?
+1
<JustineP> +1
+1 to email
Rachael: Kiki - are you registered for TPAC?
Kiki: no
Rachael: My guess is that she can't get to the page because she is not registered
… For those that are not registered, you are supposed to register
… If there is 1 or 2 meetings you are to attend, then that is different
https://
Lisa: This is the full schedule for the week
… There is a link for registration - I will add that into our document
<Rachael> ...Please use your discretion about attending select sessions if you have not registered.
Lisa: It is important that the right people are on the call
… I don't want to discourage people from attending COGA meetings
<Rachael> +1 to making sure the right people are in the room
John K: Where is the link you are asking us to check?
… The one some people do not have access to
ag page: https://
Lisa: This is a members only page
Lisa: There are also break out sessions
<kirkwood> all good. works thank you
Lisa: Multiple talks - they all seem interesting
… There is free registration for those breakout sessions
Tpac can we all join the meetings?
Julie: The TPAC event page says the meeting is in Bird in the south tower, but the Google doc says Grandville.
Lisa: Granville is the AG room
Julie: The event page says Bird
… (Burrard)
Lisa: Burrard is our room, but for the first meeting, we are going to the AG room
… When we have joint meetings, we pick a meeting for where we will be
… For that 1st meeting, the host room (AG's room) is where we will meet
… I have added the names of the rooms on our Google Doc by meeting, within each day
… So after lunch we move to the COGA room, which is Burrard
Rachael: That is my understanding as well
Lisa: For Tuesday, we have a joint meeting with Adapt in our room (Burrard)
… Our room is room 12 - called Burrard. South Tower, 4th floor
… This is our IRC channel, our call in information
John K: This is good, thanks
Julie: It makes sense now that you have explained it.
John K: Monitoring the IRC channels is a great way to keep up
Lisa: Anyone else still confused
… ?
… Definitely ask if you need help
Rachael: Due to circumstances, Alastair and I are no longer going in person
… Michael Cooper is now the primary contact for AGWG in person
tpac agenda google doc: https://
Lisa: I will add Julie and Michael as contacts to the Google Doc
Lisa: We will also be in the COGA IRC channel
Lisa: 1st meeting on Monday - Functional Needs document
… This is with APA and AG - both of our parent groups
… We have spent a lot of time reviewing categories of functional needs
… We made a table of what they had, and what we wanted to add.
… we will talk them through these categories
… Then there is a break
… The times in the Google Doc are all in Vancouver Time - Pacific Tim
… There is a link that will let you see what your local time is
… The 2nd meeting on Monday: this is discussing test types - the presentation Julie has been working on
… AG is working on Silver, making new types of tests
… We want to see how well they work for COGA
… The history is really important - trying to getting COGA aspects into WCAG
… We are trying to see if the new types of tests can help us fit in more of our tests
… We have many examples that will hopefully help answer the question: what types of tests should be made?
… Next: lunch
… After lunch - we can begin to work on some of the actions from the morning
… Tuesday meeting 1 is Adapt - they used to be called personalization
… They will give us an outline of where they want to go, and how we can work with them
… Then we will focus on the Content Usable update
… That meeting is in the COGA room
… Rain will give an overview on what the Structure group is doing
… Then we will brainstorm on our documents
… The mental health subgroup will be after lunch
… and the implications for next steps
… Any questions?
actions https://docs.google.com/document/d/15HtPkkYx1CIl6bAwP2nsSZKhqTVbqcuMDRz5RmtmvXg/edit#heading=h.ka7r1m4q5vkc
Lisa: next item is actions
… but there is another topic
… We need a way to store research but this is in all different places
… We may want to discuss a new place or mechanism for saving research
… Do you prefer to go over action items? Or talk about this other topic?
+1 to going over where we track research
reserch pages
Lisa: do we want to put the effort into making the Google Doc: The COGA Design Guided - Research and more information more thorough?
Rain: I think that would be useful. It would also support the Structure group's work
… The survey is showing people are asking about the research that backs up the information in Content Usable
… I am wondering if it might make sense to do the majority of the tracking in a Spreadsheet - so it is sortable
<kirkwood> +1
Rain: Then we can insert that into a Google Doc. This way people have a choice about how to best to access it
John K: I agree to the suggestion to have it in a spreadsheet
… That would be easier
<aaronchu> +1 to Rain's suggestion
Julie: I agree with Rain and John. I think a benefit: we might have multiple studies for a single pattern
… In a spreadsheet you could create a column for research #1, research #2.
… This way you could prevent having 1 cell with multiple entries
<Github> https://
<Github> https://
Julie: Even if we are doing it by the name of the study, it can get really complicated if you are mentioning more than 1 study per cell
Lisa: We have 4 links to WCAG proposals in different forms for Make the Purpose of your Page Clear
… How would we do that in a spreadsheet?
Rain: If we want to be able to sort and filter, we would want them all in individual rows
… Make the Purpose of your Page Clear repeated in each row
… Then we could filter for just Make the Purpose of your Page Clear
Lisa: But then you have 4 rows labeled Make the Purpose of Your Page Clear, but then you also have WCAG
… How is that listed?
Lisa: The only way I can see this working is to have each pattern be its own sheet
Lisa: This would be really complicated
Aaron: I would volunteer to create a sample, and then everyone could try it out, and give feedback
<kirkwood> great!
Lisa: Thank you Aaron
Lisa: Most of the research is in research module and the issue papers
… Do we put that link in each row?
<aaronchu> Jennie, I am happy to sync up and collaborate offline if that works for you.
Lisa: So Aaron are you taking the action item to try to put this into a different format
Aaron: Yes, I am happy to look at this, and get feedback
Julie: I suggest - Aaron: Jennie and Shawn have started a spreadsheet on testing
… It may be a helpful starting point - Shawn has already entered all the patterns
… It may be useful to have 1 spreadsheet
… I don't know if that is too much in 1 spreadsheet, but it may be helpful to have this as a starting point
Spreadsheet Shawn started: https://
<aaronchu> nice!
Lisa: OK, so you could copy that
… and see how that works
Aaron: That works. I can take a look, then synch up with Shawn and Jennie offline
Lisa: great. Anything else for the extra 2 minutes?
jennie: update on gaudenship
we met yesterday re: the gaudenship and supported desion making, as a kick off meeting
some sugestions on ways to move forward. Judy had a good apritiation of the need
John: agrees
we need more concrete sugestions that are easy for them to act on
michael is the point person on next steps
lisa:
legel team are very busy
but would push faster for a person who needs it now
jennie: aregency perhapes around the process documents
*Have to drop for another meeting. Looking forward to chatting more next week!
<Becca_Monteleone> I am not able to join the subgroup meeting today - I will review the powerpoint this afternoon.
<aaronchu> I have to drop. Thanks everyone!
<kirkwood> Jennie, good point about the process document
clear language subgroup: looking at examples for tpac
<ShawnT> there's a lot of dependencies in silver / WCAG 3.0
<ShawnT> Also known as AGWG
overview of silver and ag
<julierawe> https://
julie: we are close to being able to show this to wcag rachel etc
termonolgy is moving/changing but we will roll with that
looking at some comutational small tests
then we get adaptives - double negitives
we add the word unitentialy incase it is part of key mophology in some dialect somewhere
do we need tests in each language?
or can be percriptive
<kirkwood> +1 concern double negative creates a point that may be a blocker in conversation
<kirkwood> +1 good point, lisa esp with ‘familiar design’
<kirkwood> good point on the perception of pushing it all into a design system