Meeting minutes
Judy: Next meeting is scheduled for Wed after TPAC.
Judy: That's 21st of September.
Publication plans, announcements https://www.w3.org/WAI/cc/wiki/WAI_Announcement_Drafts
Judy: Any comments on publication plans? Are we in moratorium? Yes we are.
Janina: We have to figure out why WAI adapt content module is stuck.
<shawn> WAI-Adapt
Judy: Michael do you know anything about it being stuck?
<JudyB> JB: PLH approved it on the day asked
Michael: My understanding is it was not approved for transition to CR.
<MichaelC> https://
Janina: There was a tag issue, weren't sure if we needed another markup. That's what Ralph says they couldn't find documentation for.
Janina: I thought we had the facts straight. Will document a timeline.
Judy: Possible I missed some messages. Per request of this group I asked Philippe to ensure it was approved. he said he had done it.
Judy: It was first in queue. Maybe a step Ralph was responsible for?
Janina: My emails indicate Ralph was more disturbed than Philipe.
Janina: Ralph expressed concerns that there may not have been sufficient documentation. We've scheduled a time at TPAC to discuss.
Michael: I'm looking at the issue. Not sure why Ralph was concerned why tag was not satisfied.
Michael: We believe we've done what needs to be done, but CR was not approved.
Judy: Sorry it got blocked. You said there is a meeting on Tuesday at 11am in Vancouver at TPAC? Yes.
Judy: I would be happy to try to attend this if you give me clear breadcrumbs.
<matatk> Unblocking the Adapt CR meeting details in the APA wiki: https://
Janina: Will do.
Judy: Michael, anything else on this that I might be able to help with?
Judy: I'll meet with Philipe and Ralph tomorrow.
Michael: Will get more info at TPAC.
Judy: I remember there was a long pending issue tag had, is it possible the resolution wasn't well documented or fully resolved?
Janina: Sharon has done the research, I need to find the communications. There was an issue with internationalization, but that was clearly resolved.
Judy: I had asked internally if the tag issue was resolved. Quite a long time ago.
Judy: Perhaps its something we should double check.
Janina: It's an old issue.
Judy: I'll take it offline.
Judy: Anything else to chat about?
<shawn> Chuck: Sent strong desire for us in this call to try to figure out how what happened. I think we got there?
New work? Named what? Cross-WAI review requests?
Judy: Recurring agenda items, this is a bit changed. Any new work? What's it called? The reason for this 'named what', every so often the name of something a task force or working group gives, but it's taken out of context by others.
Judy: In this case, we had a name recently that had been in a document for a year, we didn't want to block publishing, but we had a "named what" moment?
Judy: The first time a new item is mentioned, we'd like to discussed what it's called unless it doesn't have a name yet.
Shawn: When that came up before, it didn't personally concern me, I didn't add it to the agenda. Is it enough of an issue for others, then please get on EO agenda. Send message to chairs, or tag is in an issue.
Judy: Hoping that one of the purposes is to take the message back from this group.
Judy: Can you transmit back to chairs?
Shawn: I need info, such as a link. We need something. We need to know what we are working at.
Shawn: Can you put it in IRC?
Judy: Can Janina do it as follow up to this meeting?
<matatk> This may be the link: https://
<shawn> EOWG Chairs (group) <group-eo-chairs@w3.org>
Janina: Yes
<maryjom> FYI, regarding the WAI Adapt CR - I just pinged with Sharon and she said there is a call scheduled for next Tuesday with TAG to discuss.
Judy: Shawn had DAUR as well.
Janina: I speculated, may not exist yet.
Judy: Any other new work?
Matthew: We discussed last week. We don't call them this. We use longer names, not abbreviations or accronyms.
<shawn> +1 for matatk
Matthew: The accronym may still be an issue, but we discussed recently. I don't recall outcome.
Judy: I remember you raising the perspective that it shouldn't matter. Acronyms are used heavily in settings. But they aren't part of the official name.
Judy: I'd like to convey the request to review the acronym.
Matthew: It came up at some point.
Shawn: Can you tell me what word that invokes that is negative?
Judy: Cower.
Shawn: Is somebody able to say how others have pronounced it differently?
<Zakim> shawn, you wanted to say CAUR and DAUR and to
Michael: I assume CAUR would be pronounced cower. Of 26 letters, some will sound funny. I don't want to get special casey about it.
Judy: Don't wish to debate it here. Sounds like there is pushback. I thought we had an agreement.
Michael: I shared my opinion.
Janina: Hoping to start mid to late October.
Judy: Will move on.
Judy: Any other new work?
Janina: We had a great session with Web of Things. They heard our questions and concerns. We have a great path forward, they were very receptive.
Janina: They realized the need to manage the full lifecycle.
Judy: Not sure if you are saying there is a new document or new topic.
Janina: New topic.
<matatk> https://
Janina: Use cases are works in progress.
Judy: If that materializes more let us know. The primary point is to get a heads up on concerns with names.
Video script reviews https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-cc/2022Sep/0000.html
Judy: Kris or Shawn, can you speak to that?
Kris: Glad to be here. The survey for the scripts is not yet complete. Video sub group has some changes.
Kris: We hope it gets published later today or first thing tomorrow for it to go out.
Kris: Hopefully you saw that there are 8 scripts to review.
Kris: Survey will be open to anyone with W3C login. If you would like someone to review, please pass along. We'd like to get as much feedback as possible as quickly as we can.
Kris: Will send another message.
Kris: However many you can review and provide feedback, we'd greatly appreciate it.
Judy: Thanks for that. Knowing how super busy with TPAC, can you give us a flavor of a few of the themes?
Kris: Resource is being updated now. It's the personas we match the SC to. It's the understanding docs. What users would benefit from the SC. In doing so we want to create the videos similar to perspective videos.
Kris: We want to make sure we represent any group or persona in a proper fashion.
Kris: Deaf and hard of hearing, some questions came up, and we wanted to get their take and review on this from that community.
Kris: The perspective videos are being updated, to match one for each...
Judy: I was looking at the message, what I see is he links to how people with disabilities use the web, but he didn't link to the video scripts to review.
Kris: That will be in survey, not open yet.
Shawn: Still changing them.
Judy: You'll send chaser to this list, informing us survey is open?
Kris: Yes.
Judy: It would be open today through 19th. Thanks very much, anything else?
Judy: Do you know the rest of the folks on the call?
Kris: I've worked with a lot of these folk.
Chuck: AGWG chair, HI!
Kris: I feel I know all of you, I hear your names all the time!
Judy: You know the rest on this call?
[Many Welcomes!]
Judy: Lionel, are you able to stay for a minute?
Lionel: I can stay for 5 more minutes.
Many joint meetings; highlighting anything?
Judy: APA has a large list of special meetings. Those are joint. Additionally, before Lionel go, there will be a community group breakout session on Wednesday. We have been advised that there may be tensions, due to topic of overlays.
Judy: W3C has been discussing. Janina, I'm assuming you are chairing. We will have leadership there. We want to ensure framing is very careful. Should start with reminder of CEPC for all meetings.
Judy: And a framing reminder that we have a technical discussion, we don't want to squelch any other voices, but the theme of this meeting is to focus on technical.
Judy: We may reach out for additional framing.
Judy: We want to have a meeting that operates under CEPC.
Judy: Are there any questions or comments on that meeting?
Lionel: I appreciate you bringing it up. I want to reflect, Janina and I agree. We've been test driving some framing ideas. We want to avoid mentioning companies and focus on technologies.
Judy: I don't know we can do that, we are a member org, and sometimes people want to represent their orgs. You can encourage people, but we can't require.
Lionel: CEPC is saving grace, definitely need to stick to it. Also, would like to have the scribes in advance so that we don't take time finding a scribe.
Judy: An independent scribe is recommended.
Judy: Would love to have a conversation before end of week, but time may not allow.
Judy: Let's hope we have a good discussion on this sensitive subject.
Lionel: I'm there all week, arriving on weekend.
Judy: Been spending half a year to help set up a robust hybrid format.
Judy: Everyone needs to stay safe.
Judy: Any other meetings that people want to highlight?
Judy: And Matthew and Janina, who have created many meetings, will people be able to find those joint meetings easily?
<matatk> APA joint meetings: https://
Janina: We have an apa wiki with all those meetings.
Janina: Not in a place to find the links and paste at the moment.
Matthew: W3C calendar seems to be open, and links to our wiki. We've documented in each calendar meeting when we are meeting with specific groups.
Shawn: Wiki should be readable publicly but not editable.
Matthew: Will review incognito.
Judy: Can you distribute it around so people don't know where to look will have this available?
Judy: Is there another way to circulate to other groups? We can figure out later.
<matatk> I checked and can read the wiki when not logged in.
Outreach and group recruitment goals at TPAC (insufficient time, last meeting)
<tzviya> https://
Tzviya: We have digital publishing salon on Tuesday.
Tzviya: It's a workshop to talk about next steps for publishing. It's in person and virtual.
<tzviya> https://
Judy: sounds great. Coming back to flurry of APA ones, I'd like to ensure that people who are embedded in WAI community have exposure to the availability of these meetings.
Last call for any pre-TPAC logistics plans and questions?
maryjom: I signed up for virtual TPAC; when do we find out links and get access to the meetings?
tzviya: The calendar link I posted above should have all the info.
<tzviya> https://
maryjom: I got a payment confirmation, but nothing since.
tzviya: You should be able to subsribe to sessions, then each day's itinerary will be shown under "my calendar" and that will include session joining info.
Outreach and group recruitment goals at TPAC (insufficient time, last meeting)
JudyB: What's your wishlist?
Janina: a year ago we had a great CSS liaison, and we have had, and are working on some possibilities, but there are a lot of big companies with CSS expertise.
… We can ask if they can send someone to help us; we can train them on accessibility.
JudyB: In person can be helpful here, but it will be somewhat curtailed; can your colleauges help spread this message there?
More public info on legal entity transition, any questions?
JudyB: Things are moving ahead. Still challenging issues to sort out. A huge amount of work being contributed by the AB.
JudyB: Also from the management group. Election in-progress on BoD.
JudyB: There are Q&A sessiosn with the BoD candidates. Interesting and promising.
JudyB: On track to stand up the BoD at the beginning of the comming month, and start the transition at the start of next year.
JudyB: Any questiosn, from yourselves or your groups? This is a recurring item.
<tzviya> https://
tzviya: There were questions/answers the BoD candidates were asked to submit in writing (ref above link).
JudyB: The BoD will have ultimate responsibility for the direction of W3C and thus the web as a whole; big responsibility.
JudyB: Have a safe and technically fascinating TPAC!