Meeting minutes
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Minutes
<Sebastian walks over previous minutes>
Sebastian: Minutes good to me. Any objections to make minutes public?
--> none -> minutes approved
Quick updates
Sebastian: WG charter extension has been approved
... please note: everyone needs to rejoin the WG
McCool: you need to ask AC rep
Lagally: I was implementing a PR and noticed issues with Github
… e.g., creating branches and such does not work
Sebastian: w.r.t. cancellation.. I am not aware of any cancellations
McCool: many people go on vacation
… shall we cancel calls over the next weeks
… for example SK is not available the next weeks
… I suggest to keep the calls
Sebastian: Right, I am not available next week ... but back the week after
… starting from 22 of August I am on vacation
McCool: Should check next week again
Lagally: We decided to make profile/arch next week..
… however, I am not available next weeks
… I assume we should cancel all Arch calls in August
McCool: w.r.t. discovery and security we will discuss in the task force next week
Daniel: scripting also skips 2 calls in August
McCool: please update wiki section
Sebastian: What about pre-TPAC PlugFest in Aug 29 - Sept 2
McCool: Right, might be difficult
… maybe post TPAC PlugFest
<Sebastian cleaning up cancellation section on wiki page>
McCool: lets postpone use-case call after TPAC
… same for DTDL
Lagally: use-case call during TPAC?
McCool: 4 hours total...
… one day full of joint calls
Lagally: Other groups to talk to...
… eg. Automotive
McCool: Yes, let's discuss this in TPAC slot
McCool: please send email about cancellations to me
TPAC 2022
Sebastian: Note: early bird registration ends end of the week
Sebastian: Joined meetings planned
McCool: spatial data on the web.. not meeting
… decided to do that after TPAC
Sebastian: DID?
McCool: Manu Sporny will join us
… new stuff about signature etc
… can discuss with them
Sebastian: JSON-LD
… talked to Kellog
… focus is YAML
… I don't see any urgent topic
Sebastian: suggest not having a meeting
McCool: YAML should be in our next charter
… we have assertions with alternative content encoding
… e.g. test gzipped JSON
Kaz: wondering if there is really nothing to be discussed with the JSON-LD WG. Don't we have any remaining issues about how to deal with IDs and versions, reference for external resources, etc.?
Sebastian: At the moment no real issue that comes to my mind
… at the moment we are happy
… signature and canonicalization is done linked data group
David: at Connexion we use YAML extensively
… things YAML can do.. that JSON can do
… but easy to stay away from it
McCool: corner cases in YAML that need to be resolved
… validation still bugs me
… validating TD
Sebastian: SHACL validator ?
McCool: I mean properly ... validating an extension
Sebastian: not sure if this a topic of JSON-LD wg
Sebastian: Suggest we wait for the YAML outcome from JSON-LD wg
… I like having comments in YAML
Sebastian: IF we want to have a meeting with JSON-LD... please contact me
<mjk> +1 for YAML serialization. It is becoming the more preferred format
Sebastian: at the moment I don't think this is urgent at the moment
<dezell> +1
Sebastian: Suggest to talk with Automotive
<mjk> We are also working to formalize how extensions work in SDF, possibly with extension schemas
Kaz: one of the expected topics is vehicle ontology
McCool: Suggest to look at schedule
… can have one more joint call?
… APA?
Sebastian: I think it is already tight
… using breakout time?
McCool: breakout is demo time
Sebastian: We can ask APA for availability
McCool: Yes, let's do that
… we can squeeze the slots a bit
McCool: ask both, SDW and APA?
… first day .. talking about new charter
… second day.. having a proposal
Kaz: I thought we were planning to have another dedicated 1-week meeting before TPAC
… could use that time as well
McCool: Pre-TPAC meetings
… we should get it organized
… who can make it?
Sebastian: will be on vacation
McCool: issue: first week of school
… maybe do it after TPAC?
Sebastian: sounds good
Kaz: We should use main call slot for initial charter discussion
McCool: Yes, suggest to have all main calls in August
… so that we are better prepared
Kaz: Continue discussion after TPAC is nice
McCool: Monday Sep 12 ... initial discussions
… on Monday.. we should look at deliverables and their status
… CG relations et cetera
Kaz: initial discussion summarizing current status
McCool: I will work on Monday schedule
Kaz: w.r.t. OpenDay slot
… remove the slot during TPAC?
… move it to post TPAC
McCool: let's schedule OpenDay separately
McCool: will contact SDW and APA
… and squeeze them in if available
Publications
Thing Description
<sebastian> TD 11 WD4
Sebastian: TD1.1 WD4 has been released
… will be last WD before going to CR
Kaz: sorry but there was some confusion about the publication procedure, and would like to improve it next time.
Wide Review action item
<dape> SK: feedback from TAG
<dape> ... https://
Sebastian: no feedback with discovery yet
McCool: noticed 2 internationalization issues
… expect those 2 it looks good
Sebastian: security/privacy ?
McCool: will talk to APA
Sebastian: Summary: most relevant feedback is TAG review
… should look into it in Arch call
Lagally: We received couple of things
McCool: TAG issues apply to discovery and TD as well
… problem .. untestable assertions
Sebastian: Update - publication process w.r.t. discovery
McCool: ready.. wait till Kaz finds the time..
Kaz: Working on it
Testing
Sebastian: TD testing look good
… still some issues left ... can be solved in CR phase
McCool: in general TD and discovery are in good shape
… should work on security issues
… suggest not rush in CR
… fixing in CR is more problematic
… manual assertions need more work
… Architecture need more work
Review Charter Extensions and Renewal
Sebastian: Charter extension ongoing
… will discuss this at TPAC as well
McCool: Suggest to have MD file for each feature
… added template
<sebastian> https://
Liaisons
Sebastian: active planning w.r.t. OPC UA
… doodle still open, https://
… next week we miss Erich and M-Lagally
… we plan to extend doodle poll with additional options
… I hope we can find slot in September
… suggest to have a small meeting before that.. w.r.t. business discussions
WoT CG
<Zakim> Ege_, you wanted to discuss AOB
Ege: Kick-off meeting took place
… charter review process ends next week
… please provide feedback
Kaz: technically CG can do anything on their own. However, we need to clarify CG's dependency on the WoT IG/WG and also potential impact for the IG/WG Charters. So please clarify what to be done by which group.
Ege: BTW, 1 month ago we were approached by JSON Schema people
<Ege_> https://
<Ege_> https://
Ege: about use case study
… will be work from WG
… please review
… everyone can comment hackmd document
TF Reports
McCool: Security looked into TAG issues
Lagally: Profile: send doodle poll, we try to give more time to work on it
Sebastian: TD takes place in 1 hour... plan CR transition
Lagally: Can join first 30 minutes
Sebastian: Great
Ege: Farshid can join "required" discussion in 2nd hour
[adjourned]