Meeting minutes
<Rachael> title: December AG Facilitator's meeting
Check progress on gathering communication requirements:https://www.w3.org/wiki/AG_Communication_Requirements
Rachael: We created a wiki for communication. Question is where are we?
<Rachael> https://
Michael: Seems there are two types of requirements. What the working group needs, and what those who have requirements need to make them achieveable
Rain: Similar to Michael, something may be missing. Maybe communication, including a clear list of what the TF is waiting for from other groups.
Rachael: I'll make edits
… Does it make sense to say requester / receiver?
<Rain> +1 to that change
Michael: I struggle with those terms. Perhaps communicator and receiver?
… Are we talking about proactive or reactive communication? Proactive doesn't have a requester.
… For me this would be a proactivity plan. We've been doing this reactively. If we did it proactive we can say for sure where to find minutes.
… I think that's what this should lead towards
<MichaelC> https://
<Rachael> Wilco: I'm not entirely clear on what we are trying to accomplish, what problem we are trying to solve
Wilco: I'm not clear what the job to be done is. What problem are we solving?
Michael: I propose we put this to my todo list, I'll have a date in a few months to look at it.
… A couple things will have been in place by then.
<jon_avila> No objections
<Rain> +1 thank you, Michael
Rachael: Any objection?
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Check in on cross-group communication dashboard https://www.w3.org/wiki/WAI_Group_Coordination
Rachael: How is this working for everyone?
Rain: I don't check it as often as I should. How do we find the balance between something that's clear.
… The e-mail reminders are great. My own challenge is that I'm not following up. That's more on me than on the tool.
<Rachael> Wilco: I haven't looked at this. My communication happens elsewhere. I don't need a table.
Rachael: It sounds like it's helpful for some, but not for others. It's nice to have a list, but we need to keep it up to date
Jon: It's nice to see what others are up to, but I haven't had a lot of time to look at other requests.
Jeanne: I check it when the e-mail is sent. Haven't had much listed for Silver.
… I communicate with facilitators I need to work with. I regularly talk to Wilco and Kim.
… Feel I'm connected when I have things to do.
Rachael: We ran this as an experiment. COGA had an experiment like this.
Rain: We have to maintain it. Since we're not, it's not super valuable. That's the challenge.
<Rachael> stawpoll: Option 1: Stop using the table Option 2: Revise process and try another month Option 3: Something else
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<Rain> 1 with the idea that we'll see what happens with the Newsletter idea that Michael is working on
<jon_avila> +0
<jeanne> 0
Rachael: Lets stop. Is there anything on the table that needs to be addressed?
<jeanne> mark it as no longer maintained and out of date
AG Status update
Rachael: We're almost through WCAG 2.1, we'll try to have another meeting December 21st.
… The coming meeting will be a year wrap-up / retrospective. We've asked an outside facilitator to come in.
… Please come to that meeting to provide feedback.
Jon: Are we on track for WCAG 2.2 in March?
Rachael: We're aiming for June, but hoping to be on time for March.
Michael: Alastair has the answers on that.
Rachael: We're done with reviews. We have 3 surveys to close out. Then all major issues are done.
… We have AAA implementations signed up. We have to make sure the old implementations are still valid.
<Rachael> wilco: Is there any progress on WCAG2ICT
Rachael: We're still looking for a co-chair.
Michael: I know Judy was involved in something recently related to it. It didn't seem like it was happening on the immediate term.
… There's a need for a facilitator and work statement.
task force updates and discussion
<Rachael> Wilco: AG approved a bunch of rules last week. We are working on a draft update for ACT rules format. Not chartered to do so. We are defining what an ACT implementation is.
<Rachael> ...On hold for publishing new content because the WAI redesign has not been approved. All content is designed for the new templates so on hold till then.
<Rachael> ...working with Silver with reliable testing. Recently put out a document approved by AG for internal use.
<Kim_patch> +present
Michael: Don't know the full status on redesign. I've seen templates. I'm part-way through that. Hopefully it will be done today, so it can be deployed this week. Either Wednesday or after the holidays.
… It's completely separate from others. The ACT rules were one of those. There should be something from Daniel
<Rachael> Wilco: will check today
Tangent on WCAG support material redesign status
Michael: We're not yet publishing WCAG 2.0 TR documents, those come early next year.
Rain: We're updating our work statement. We'll continue refining. Lisa is leading literary review on mental health.
… We've been reviewing documents from APA. We've given preliminary feedback.
… We received documents from Mobile TF. It's on our agenda to review what they've put together.
… We're also looking at EO documents to review.
… We're working on two outcomes for Silver, with a number of methods. We'll connect more closely with Silver. We're ready to engage.
… The community group is picking up steam and is becoming active. We have people working on reports on what things are helpful.
… We're helping the CG find its own chairs, rather than have it be part of the TF.
Jon: We're going to have researchers on our call, putting the invitation out in case someone is interested. It's not AG wide.
… We continue to have challenges on how to split out contrast guidance. It's something Alastair will come back and discuss with us.
… The group is working on other guidance not related to contrast, but not ready to be reviewed.
Jeanne: Do you think we should remove the example outcome for the time being?
Jon: I don't know? There are some good aspects to that. But there's a copyright discussion too.
… We need someone else to validate it. I would mark it, to indicate it hasn't been vetted fully.
Jeanne: Mark it as exploritory?
Jon: I think that's fine. The concept seems good, but I'm not qualified to comment on the math.
Rachael: We have to get the marking.
<Rachael> Wilco: I got a message this morning with a request to use this new algorythm. If we don't think this is ready to go into tools, either because of copyright issues or becuase its not stable we should do something
Jon: Agreed, we need to make sure things are checked off.
Rachael: I'm also inclined to remove it. I'm seeing a lot of momentum, and I don't feel we've done the testing yet.
Jeanne: We just published.
Rachael: We have an update with markings coming. Lets have a more detailed meeting on this after the holidays.
Wilco: Seems good
Jeanne: I'm feeling some urgency about this. There is a lot of publicity about this.
… I wonder if we could mark the methods, outcomes, how-to page as exploratory.
Michael: I can add that fairly easily to them.
Jeanne: Andy's PRs are all on an old prototype. I'm nervous about waiting until after the holidays.
Jon: This is not part of what LV is currently doing. I feel it's not officially under anything right now.
<Rachael> Next Steps: Rachael to start email conversation about markup on secondary pages and then meet after holidays to discuss removing it.
<Kim_patch> Sorry – had to drop for another brief meeting – I give an update now
Kim: Mobile is working with Jeanne on the template. We have a researcher who wants to join.
… She's from Australia. We're talking about changing the time.
… We're also putting together some spread sheets to serve as baseline information for mobile features and how they effect everything.
… We're planning a joint meeting with the mini apps TF.
Jeanne: We're making forward progress. Finally published the updates from last summer.
… We have a good schedule for getting work done. I don't think we've addressed our issues with AG, and how to get more aggressive forward momentum.
… Hoping a lot from the meeting tomorrow. A lot of our issues come from Silver wanting to work from a more agile process, and AG wanting more of a waterfall process.
… The issue we have with people wanting to implement the contrast method. It illustrates the need for caution, but also for publishing.
new business and action review
<Rachael> Wilco: The issue of lacking members keeps coming up. Recruiting inside AG doesnt' work all that well. Should we discuss it more?
<Rachael> Rachael: Agenda item for next meeting