W3C

– DRAFT –
WoT-IG/WG

10 November 2021

Attendees

Present
Cristiano_Aguzzi, Daniel_Peintner, Ege_Korkan, Kaz_Ashimura, Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_Koster, Michael_Lagally, Ryuichi_Matsukura, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Tomoaki_Mizushima
Regrets
Michael_McCool
Chair
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Scribe
dape

Meeting minutes

Minutes approval

https://www.w3.org/2021/11/03-wot-minutes.html

Sebastian: Minutes approved

<kaz> vF2F Day 4

Sebastian: could add link to scripting slides

Kaz: will do

<sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/PRESENTATIONS/2021-10-online-f2f/2021-10-27-WoT-F2F-Scripting%20API.pdf

<kaz> (link for Daniel's slides added)

Sebastian: Scripting minutes are ok

Sebastian: Next is last day of TPAC

https://www.w3.org/2021/10/28-wot-minutes.html

<sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/PRESENTATIONS/2021-10-online-f2f/2021-10-28-WoT-F2F-OPC-UA.pdf

Sebastian: OPCUA presentation can also be added, see link above

Sebastian: another topic was T2TRG/DID

<kaz> (link for Sebastian's slides added)

Sebastian: Finally we talked with Manu Sporny about TD versioning
… outcome was *new* namespace

Sebastian: Next was PF and testing report

No objections to approve minutes -> publish

Sebastian: All other minutes are already approved

Current WG Charter Extension

Sebastian: Talked in Editors call about 12 month extensions (vs 6 month)
… Kaz mentioned concerns about longer review phase
… I prefer having stricter deadlines
… however having 6 month first and extending later causes issues
… McCool supports 12 months extension but would like to stick to the current roadmap

Sebastian: I agree with that

Sebastian: other opinions?

Kaz: I agree with SK & McCool
… 2 more points
… 1. Official review needed for longer than 6 months anyway
… 2. basically we're already in "wrapping-up" mode and the extended period (regardless of whether it's 6mo or 12mo) should be used for the wide reviews and test work. Feature freeze should be done within this year

Lagally: I think we need specific dates
… REC in 6 months is desirable
… most people start implementing once the spec is final
… hence, we should try not to delay
… at the moment it is not clear what we do in the second 6 months period

Kaz: ML, great comment
… we suggest to keep tight schedule
… should check schedule weekly
… in 2nd half we can start thinking about next charter
… we don't need to wait till end of charter
… the 2nd half can be used for review comments but we can restart earlier with next charter

Ege: Step 3 (wide review) in plan can take 6 months
… the plan does not mention it
… by mid May we can start incorporating comments
… Q: Can we incorporate things also after CR phase ?

Kaz: We can ask for review earlier
… after CR we cannot change normative part
… changing normative parts means new CR
… -> should ask for review early

Sebastian: Yes, we should start with asking for review soon

<kaz> wide review guideline

Kaz: The wide review process has been improved
… should be quicker than in the past

Sebastian: Yes, should start review process in December

Lagally: 2 comments
… 1. Group-wide review should not take more than 3 months
… 2. Not sure what we mean by "relevant features"

Sebastian: Yes, there seems to be some misunderstanding
… task force should decide what goes into TDv1.1
… or what should be deferred to 2.0

Lagally: Normative features, not sure what we mean by that

Sebastian: We just need to clarify

Lagally: maybe change "covered" to be "included"
… this seems clearer

Kaz: w.r.t. point 0 in extension plan
… McCool removed Architecture
… I would like to see all 4 normative documents (TD, Arch, Profile & Discovery)
… TD and Arch seems stable

Lagally: For the profile I don't think it is realistic
… profile freeze cannot be done in some days

Kaz: Clarification for normative sections are different from feature freeze
… structure should be clarified first

Ege: I don't think this is possible for Profile now

Lagally: We still have issues
… we need to decide
… it is pre-mature to decide at the moment

Kaz: We need to have a date "when" Profile can be clarified

Lagally: Structure/features need to be done by end of January

Sebastian: Point 0 (zero) is not about decisions. It is rather about clarifications ...
… should we remove Point 0 ?
… it seems to confuse people

Lagally: Still don't know about canonical features

Sebastian: TD should be freezed by Dec 15
… we miss implementation of canonical feature
… this would mean removing it

<Zakim> kaz, you wanted to react to s

Kaz: point 0, need to identify structure first
… details later
… if we cannot do that, I don't believe in the deadlines
… TD/Arch stable
… profile work still ongoing, but we can add "at risk" statements

Lagally: If we want to make progress, I think we should remove point 0

Ege: Kaz mentioned TD/Arch are stable
… I think there is still some work needed

<Ege> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/625

Kaz: The pending PRs to Arch do not change feature. It is more about restructuring

Ege: Issue 625 is a blocker to me

Sebastian: I guess we should tackle this issue in Arch call
… what about point 0

Kaz: I suggest to decide on structure
… we are already in wrapping-up mode
… we should not add big changes now

Lagally: Agree that we need to decide on structure
… removing an entire structure is not what we want

Kaz: Should concentrate on sections that are incomplete

Kaz: Point 0 -> could be rephrased -> look into sections that need improvement

Sebastian: <updated description accordingly>

Lagally: Okay

Kaz: 12 month extension with 6 months schedule ok by everyone?

Sebastian: About 12 months, should we make decision today?

Kaz: PLH proposed a quick resolution

Lagally: I think 10 people in the call are not enough

Kaz: Makes sense, but we have all main editors in the call. McCool agreed with 12 m also

Lagally: I am still concerned because major contributors are not on this call and may not have the bandwidth to continue attending meetings for a year

Sebastian: What about decision in Arch call tomorrow?

Lagally: +1

<kaz> kaz: preliminary resolution now; and confirmation tomorrow

DP: suggest to send email about 12 m extension plan

<sebastian> preliminary proposal: the group decide to extend the current WG charter for 12month. A final decision will be made in tomorrow's Architecture call. An email will be sent to the WG group as reminder.

<sebastian> preliminary resolution: the group decide to extend the current WG charter for 12month. A final decision will be made in tomorrow's Architecture call. An email will be sent to the WG group as reminder.

Rechartering

IG Charter re-Chartering status

https://www.w3.org/2019/10/wot-ig-2019.html

Kaz: Issue#274
related to wot-marketing Issue 217
related wot-testing Issue 198

Sebastian: change marketing to CG?

Kaz: we can do so in the future, but should not do that now since we have it in the draft already

Kaz: I suggest we should have a resolution mentioning that we update charter

<sebastian> proposal: the group agrees that the text proposal from https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/986#issuecomment-951852452 for the PlugFest report and https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/issues/217#issuecomment-964100511 for marketing description. The new IG charter will be updated based on those text.

RESOLUTION: the group agrees that the text proposal from https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/986#issuecomment-951852452 for the PlugFest report and https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/issues/217#issuecomment-964100511 for marketing description. The new IG charter will be updated based on those text.

<kaz> [adjourned]

Summary of resolutions

  1. the group agrees that the text proposal from https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/986#issuecomment-951852452 for the PlugFest report and https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/issues/217#issuecomment-964100511 for marketing description. The new IG charter will be updated based on those text.
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